CloseFerrari was launching its new F1
Car looks ugly, enrmous front wing, tiny rear wing.
But comes with the new Power-Button! Hope this will give more fun watching F1 again, sounds very promising for the new season.
BTW - The F stands for Ferrari and the 60 for the No. of seasons Ferrari is contributing in the F1!
It is actually much better looking than what I had been expecting. The interim BMW was ugly. This is just different. If it had a wider rear wing (regulations' stipulated), you could call it beatiful but as it is, it's just good looking. I also like the cleaner look (no appendages) the small rear end and the sleek nose.
Jan 13, 2009 1:40:54 AM
Lars997:
BTW - they say its a complete new car, they started with a white paper!
hahaha i love this line... 500 engineers spends 12 months + with a complete clean sheet just to end up with a car looking 99.8% the same 
Right on 
Formula 1 is dead i'm afraid.. The new rules will make things even more complicated for no reason and i know right now that many more fans will not even bother reading up on the new rules to the last sentence and whatnot. I'm still excited to see the new chassis's and get excited about the first race!!
2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd
1986 Porsche 944, 5spd
Jan 13, 2009 6:38:24 AM
Atzporsche:Lars997:
BTW - they say its a complete new car, they started with a white paper!
hahaha i love this line... 500 engineers spends 12 months + with a complete clean sheet just to end up with a car looking 99.8% the same
Formula 1 is dead i'm afraid.. The new rules will make things even more complicated for no reason and i know right now that many more fans will not even bother reading up on the new rules to the last sentence and whatnot. I'm still excited to see the new chassis's and get excited about the first race!!
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2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd
1986 Porsche 944, 5spd
Although it looks 99% the same, it's the minor nuances and stuff below the skin that shaves a few seconds off each year. But yes, the new rules, sometimes I wonder if they're just trying to make F1, NASCAR with all the lack of innovation and experimentation.
Jan 13, 2009 7:38:46 AM
Atzporsche:
Formula 1 is dead i'm afraid.. The new rules will make things even more complicated for no reason and i know right now that many more fans will not even bother reading up on the new rules to the last sentence and whatnot. I'm still excited to see the new chassis's and get excited about the first race!!
Two remarks:
1.: Yes I think its kind of death, but this has something to do with the economic slow down. Its totally inappropriate spending hundreds of millions for this events and on the other hand not earning money anymore with all its consequences
2.: I think the new rules would be the right way to make it up and interesting again. Slicks, and especially this power button are sounding promising.
ed_moree:... sorry but the proportions of that rear wing... are..... well....
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ALL PORSCHE ARE REAL PORSCHE!!!
OMG!!!!!
That rear wing is the f*cking stupidest thing I've ever seen! It's almost like some vestige afterthought plopped on the rear end. I mean let's F1 is also about seeing beautifully designed and pretty to look at machines. Bernie should know this.
F1 should have just run them without the goddamn thing. It's like a supermodel with a huge honking nose.
And then with all that aero downforce on the front and nothing on the rear -- how the hell does the car stay balanced? There's only so much undercar aero can do.
Wow...Bernie and Max. Wow..
^^^Bernie controls "the show".
If he believes the FIA's sportiing regs are hurting "the show" too much and the image, you damn well better believe he's going to speak up and demand a change because that in effect hurts his and F1's bottom line. Policy and Engineering types don't exactly understand that ... t's part of the reason why you NEVER EVER in business let an engineer or policy person run your Marketing and Promotion Department. They just don't get it.
NASCAR is still trying to figure out how to get everyone to warm up to the Car of Tomorrow template and formula. They see already attendance and T/V ratings, as well as overall competition is DOWN since they introduced the new standard.
I guess in the end, I'm just tired of watching series are series become a damn hard spec / hard template racing series. it's getting really really annoying.
" I on the other hand am a purist and want evolution and technical innovation."
This is precisely what I want. This is what I mean, by the "show" ... I don't want F1 to be an ugly spec racing series. I want beautiful machines with all kinds of shapes and technologies (a la the LeMan's prototype series).
You can cost contain the series, without hindering performance by allowing teams to explore further and loosening regulations on a number of things not related to engine size, tranny, tire, and safety equipment. That should be the 4 hard fast rules. Outside of that, set a hard cap on spending - impose luxury taxes for teams that go over the cap (just like how the Yankees pay every year, but they don't WIN every year) and engineers get creative again.
Lately engineers aren't engineering to maximize performance and innovate - they're increasingly finding themselves engineering to fit within some pretty silly constraints.
Do you know Mclaren spent $10MM just to get another .10th of a second out of the car for the last race. Simple and cheaper solutions were available, but the regulationsprevented it.
There was a time when F1 technology was used as a testbed for tech that would filter down to passenger cars. That hasn't really happened in 15 years. Sad.
Jan 20, 2009 9:26:25 PM
Heist:+1 Heist. I think that they must somehow allow technological innovation to keep the essence of the F1 world going. If it becomes just another spectacular racing series, like NASCAR, than i consider the original F1 dead.
" I on the other hand am a purist and want evolution and technical innovation."
This is precisely what I want. This is what I mean, by the "show" ... I don't want F1 to be an ugly spec racing series. I want beautiful machines with all kinds of shapes and technologies (a la the LeMan's prototype series).
You can cost contain the series, without hindering performance by allowing teams to explore further and loosening regulations on a number of things not related to engine size, tranny, tire, and safety equipment. That should be the 4 hard fast rules. Outside of that, set a hard cap on spending - impose luxury taxes for teams that go over the cap (just like how the Yankees pay every year, but they don't WIN every year) and engineers get creative again.
Lately engineers aren't engineering to maximize performance and innovate - they're increasingly finding themselves engineering to fit within some pretty silly constraints.
Do you know Mclaren spent $10MM just to get another .10th of a second out of the car for the last race. Simple and cheaper solutions were available, but the regulationsprevented it.
There was a time when F1 technology was used as a testbed for tech that would filter down to passenger cars. That hasn't really happened in 15 years. Sad.
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...the only thing stopping you, is you!
2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd
1986 Porsche 944, 5spd
ed_moree:
Here we can see the big differences btween the 2008 and 2009 cars
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ALL PORSCHE ARE REAL PORSCHE!!!
OMG!! Disgusting.Now that I get to see a "modern" car next to the older one, I'm doubly pissed.
The new car looks like an F3000 car, or one of those A1 GP cars. Goddammit!!! 
Just when the cars were really starting to look swoopy with all sort of interesting compound curves, aero dynamic bits and pieces -- we take a giant step backwards to what looks like a mid-90's body style ... of course with a smaller rear wing. 
As I understand it, the new rear wing width, albeit really really ugly, is designed to allow more clean air flow coming off the rear of the car. If you recall the split wing concept they were batting around a few years ago, this is a similar sort of thing. The main problem that caused the "processionals" that we've been seeing is that as soon as you get close to the car in front of you, you lose all your front end grip. So by making the front wing comically huge, and decreasing the impact of the rear, they hope to allow for more close racing. I still don't think its going to do a whole lot, but someone needs to try something, for as good as the old cars looked, no one enjoyed Valencia last year.
As far as the technical progression thing goes, I am a real tech geek. I love to hear about all the interesting engineering challenges the teams face, and the solutions reached by some of the best and brightest engineers in the world. However, precisely because these teams employ such prodigious R&D talent, the FIA has to be really careful how much free reign they allow. Realzeus is totally right, de-regulation will certainly lead to ridiculous power output and cornering speeds, and one in four drivers won't make it to their 40th birthday, just like in the '50's. Is that what we want? Do we want to see blood for technological progression? I don't. I just want good, close, exciting racing where I'm jumping up and down yelling at the TV (a race in the US or Canada wouldn't be that bad either). What are World Superbike, or ALMS/LMS or Grand-Am, or shudder to say it, NASCAR doing to generate such close racing? Maybe (definitely) F1 needs to come off of its high horse and take a look.
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