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Jan 17, 2009 4:34:34 PM

joe pruskowski: Newbie; Loc: Washington State, USA; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2002

New 997.2

I recently purchased a new 997.2 and thought I'd share my experience so far. First, a few pictures of my car:

Now for the specs:

Carrera "S" Couple
X4 - Speed Yellow
AN - Black Standard Leather
AP - Black Sports Seats
P01 - Adaptive Sport Seats with memory

810 - Floor mats in interior color
342 - Heated Seats
618 - Bluetooth Phone interface with holder

640 - Sports Chrono Plus
671 - PCM Voice Control
672 - Navigation Module
680 - BOSE High-End Stereo
686 - XM Radio
693 - CD/DVD Changer
870 - Universal Audio Interface
250 - PDK
267 - Self dimming mirrors
P17 - PASM sports 20MM lowering plus limited slip

XSY - Seat belts in Speed Yellow
844 - Multi-touch steering wheel in smooth leather

CDJ - Gear clever trim in exterior color

CMC - Door openers painted in exterior color

XSA - Sport seat backs in exterior color

My comments:

Overall, best street car I've owned. IMHO they really nailed this car.
Typical 911 feel - very tight, great brakes, great seating position, etc.
PDK is awesome - best transmission on a street, bar none
PCM 3.0 - big surprise is that this is a great system.
Steering wheel controls - another big surprise, another great item. The integration with the PCM is wonderful with everything at your fingertips.

I have been waiting for the PDK transmission to show up and now that it has I can say that I'm VERY impressed! I've owned several cars with these types of transmissions (M3, Maserati, M5) and this transmission blows them away. Without going to extremes (such as having a real constant mesh race transmission) this transmission is about as close to a race transmission as I've seen. And the beauty part is that is can be smooth if so desired. I always drive in manual mode and this combination gives the most realistic, race car drive feel allowing left foot braking, etc. as on the race track.

The PCM is a great surprise as Porsche has never been know for great electronics or the ergos of their systems. However, PCM 3.0 is world class and the best I've seen (including several aftermarket systems). In the past I've often upgraded head units in my cars as I've found them lacking but PCM 3.0 is about as good as it gets. And if you add in the steering wheel controls, it is a great package.

I've owned 2 911's in the past (996, 996 turbo) and this car is a leap ahead in all ways. It doesn't have the power of a turbo, but I like the linear progression of power and RWD. AWD has always felt a bit heavy to me and the RWD just feels more natural (realizing that obviously in a grip sense the AWD is better).

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Jan 17, 2009 6:10:57 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: joe pruskowski

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Joe congratulations on this wonderful car.

It looks hazy where you live and the yellow car brightens the day and your mood!

I agree with you on the PDK transmission. After I ordered PDK, I started getting somewhat cold with the prospect, after reading the various negative reports in some magazines and comments on internet forums. However all this proved a load of nonsense to say the least, after I drove my car for a couple of days and got the feel of the system and familiarized with the various modes. The system is everything you want it to be according to your mood and the type of journey. From an economy run to a racy drive along a challenging route. The level of control it allows in manual mode is superb. And always smooth and pleasant.

Also the "dreaded" counter-intuitive push-up, pull-down hasn't confused me at all; it came all natural top me. Perhaps this is because I don't spend 90% of my life driving racing cars that have the opposite pattern, like 99% of the internet users and auto-journalists try to convince us they do Smiley

This car is a great advance for Porsche and for sportscar motoring in general.

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Jan 17, 2009 6:17:44 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: reginos

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Great car, Joe, congrats and thanks for sharing the pictures. Smiley

Speed yellow looks fantastic, so do the yellow accents inside the car.

Enjoy in good health. Smiley

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Jan 17, 2009 6:41:43 PM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

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Congrats, Joe - this is a real beauty Smiley

The yellow accents are just right - very tasteful. I wish you many happy miles Smiley

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Jan 17, 2009 7:03:08 PM

joe pruskowski: Newbie; Loc: Washington State, USA; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: New 997.2

The transmission controls are definitely counter intuitive, but so what! They're certainly not unusable and when you get used to them they become fairly friendly. Its nice to be able to make the same motion on either side of the steering wheel and have it perform the same function.

BTW - in years past I did spend a great deal of time driving race cars and one of the hallmarks of a pro race driver is the ability to rapidly adjust to the car he's driving. In most cases modifications to race cars are strictly controlled by class rules and you just can't go changing everything to your liking. In one class I raced you couldn't even move the brake pedals side to side, even though the foot box was very small / crowded and a modification would've been very easy. I think it boils down to humans by nature being conservative and not wanting to change.

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Jan 18, 2009 1:37:12 PM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: joe pruskowski

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Congrats for such a nice car!
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Jan 18, 2009 8:17:55 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Mikla

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Congrats! Beautiful car!
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08 Carrera 4S, Guards Red, H&R, PSE

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Jan 19, 2009 3:39:33 AM

997S4KEN: Junior; Loc: Ventura, CA; Posts: 100, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 29, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

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A real gem, congrats..

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Jan 19, 2009 12:36:34 PM

Johnmonkey: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 93, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2008; Reply to: 997S4KEN

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superb colour!!!!
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Jan 21, 2009 9:52:16 AM

PinKchampagnE: Pilot; Loc: Fr , France; Posts: 310, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 10, 2007; Reply to: Johnmonkey

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Such a sweet car. Enjoy in good health. Smiley

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Jan 21, 2009 11:46:24 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: PinKchampagnE

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Beautiful car - many congrats - thanks for sharing the pics and enjoy!
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Jan 21, 2009 12:38:22 PM

Cram: Expert; Loc: french area , Switzerland; Posts: 1618, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 28, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

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I can only say. Goog buy, enjoy the car and have fun with it
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Jan 21, 2009 12:47:01 PM

JJS 07S: Newbie; Loc: New York, NY, USA , United States; Posts: 35, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 2, 2006; Reply to: Cram

Re: New 997.2

Congratulations! Great color choice. Smiley

-Jay

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2009 997.2 Carrera S, Speed Yellow/Black, PCCB, Manual, Sport Shifter.

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Jan 21, 2009 1:04:02 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: JJS 07S

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JJS 07S:

Congratulations! Great color choice.

-Jay

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2009 997.2 Carrera S, Speed Yellow/Black, PCCB, Manual, Sport Shifter.

Well, you had to say that. Smiley

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Jan 23, 2009 9:15:18 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

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The 997 deserves a color like this. Good choice! Smiley

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Feb 7, 2009 7:34:12 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: joe pruskowski

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Superb!!!!!!!!!!!

I took a test drive in a 4S Targa the other day as I wanted to try the PDK. I didn't get a chance to really run it hard, but your report on it is right on target. It is first rate, and I can see why Porsche waited until they believed they had it perfected. I would guess that the PDK gives one an advantage in turns when racing, but would be interested in your thoughts on that.

Jim Smiley

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Feb 7, 2009 7:56:30 PM

joe pruskowski: Newbie; Loc: Washington State, USA; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2002; Reply to: Jim48

Re: New 997.2

One year I was in Grand Am series driving a Daytona Protype, which didn't initially have a "no lift" shift (ie, you had to back off on the throttle to shift) - which is somewhat analogous to using the clutch to shift. Some new electronics and shift handle were introduced that allowed us to change the setup such that a "flat" shift was possible, which some of our competitors already had done. We were "ready to roll" on a test day to see the improvements in lap times by not having to back off during shifts - surely this would be a big deal. It would go from many tenths of a second off power to a few 10's of milliseconds. What we found out was that it made virtually no difference in lap times! I'm sure there was an absolute difference, but it was overshadowed by the normal variations in the lap. My take away from this was speed of shifting doesn't necessarily make a huge difference (ie, the PDK probably isn't going to allow you to outrun a "clutched" car by virtue of the shifts).

However. another transition I went through was from an "H" pattern, "clutched" car to a sequential, constant mesh transmission. It allowed for both upshifts and downshifts without having to use the clutch - there was a clutch but it was only used around the paddock and leaving the pits. This transmission was very close in "user" function to PDK, although radically different in design. This jump was a BIG deal - it allowed something else that wasn't possible with a clutch - left foot braking. There are so many things that can be done in turns by having control of both the brake and throttle simultaneously it adds up to a big deal. The transitions are smoother and quicker. The ability, on some sweepers, to do a bit of brake while on gas ("brake against throttle") to settle but not killing power is another big one. At the top rungs of racing (F1, Indy cars, etc.) virtually all drivers left foot brake. They learn on carts and its natural for them as they move up the ranks. For us older guys who started out in Formula Ford, it was a very difficult learning process - equivalent to learning to throw with your non-dominant hand. The advantages (and hence disadvantage...) of left foot braking are substantial and this is what the PDK transmission is really all about (at least on the track).

Street driving is a whole different deal and I do understand engagement, etc. is a matter of taste. But in serious driving, lap times and position tell the difference and personal tastes can go out the window...

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Feb 8, 2009 1:46:16 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: joe pruskowski

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Joe,

Many thanks for your analysis of the real advantages of the PDK in racing. The bad news for me is that I am not a racer, have average reactions at best, and only have a limited amount of track time experience, with an instructor on-board.

The good news is that I have learned over the past several years to take much better advantage of my gen 1. version of the 911S, particularly the setup for turns, braking, downshifting, proper exit. I don't intend to get into club racing but I thought that for the days I do run the car on the track that I might significantly improve my performance by getting a gen 2 911S with the PDK. As I don't often take my car into the city (I live way out in the rural part of Northern Virginia, in the Shenandoah Valley), I generally don't worry about "riding the clutch" in bumper to bumper traffic. I am older (61) so like you, I never learned to brake with my left foot, although I think I could make that transition reasonably fast.

Given my average reactions, I thought I might get a significant improvement in track performance. Maybe drivers with my average capabilities are the ones who Porsche is really targeting market-wise with their introduction of the PDK.

Thanks once again for your very thoughtful response.

Jim Smiley

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2006 911S - Basalt Black Metallic, 6-speed, Sports Chrono, TPMS, 3M Clear Coat Bra

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Feb 8, 2009 4:17:24 PM

joe pruskowski: Newbie; Loc: Washington State, USA; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2002; Reply to: Jim48

Re: New 997.2

Give left foot braking a try - I think you'll find its much more of a challenge than you think! Especially, when you go to the track and need to threshold brake smoothly going into a corner. Hitting the brakes is one thing, but actually being smooth and applying the brakes properly is extremely challenging for your dominant foot, never the less the other one... After having looked reviewed literally thousands of data acq. brake traces from laps, it took me a couple of years to be able to brake decently with my left foot. For that matter, it took me several years to learn how to brake with my right foot in a race car - my braking was very, very bad. And my guess is that virtually everyone's braking is quite bad if you haven't been through the drills on a race track - in other words this is a great area to hone which would help lap times substantially...

Certainly all street cars have great compromise as compared to actual race cars in almost every area. With the exception of F1, virtually all race cars use a true constant mesh, sequential transmission similar to that of a motorcycle in theory. Design factors for a race car transmission are durability, ease of changing gears, speed of shifts, etc. They are not designed for driving around the paddock (the equivalent of stop & go traffic) and are not much fun doing so. Neither clutched , tiptronic, nor PDK are race transmissions, but the PDK comes closest in terms of function. In order to be a race transmission, it would need to be more difficult to shift, jerky at shifting less than redline (or actually shift point RPM), and make all kinds of rattling noises at a stop.

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Feb 9, 2009 1:23:56 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: joe pruskowski

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Thanks for the further info about race versus other transmissions. Pretty complex stuff especially given that race transmissions are designed and optimized for the track and not stop and go traffic.

You're right about the braking, as I think about my timing and application of the brakes when approaching a turn. Concentration, thinking about what I need to do right, and practice - first on some of the twisting roads that I drive out here - will help me improve. That's what I usually do when I go out for drives.

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Feb 9, 2009 1:52:11 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Jim48

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Interesting Article on PDK Development:

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0807_derek_bell_pdk_interview/index.html

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Feb 9, 2009 9:08:55 PM

Jim48: Senior; Loc: Virginia, USA; Posts: 639, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Interesting. I did think that Porsche took a long time to introduce the PDK in order to perfect it. Alain de Cadenet said that "Porsche races to build a better car." I guess the PDK demonstrates that.
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