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Re: Nissan GT-R test in Sport Auto
Yes(and NO)... I do not have that issue yet(till tomorrow evening). Brief phone conversation yesterday with my Motorpresse friend gave me some info about test results. Just, without Sport Auto on my desk(or scans) I will not post them. For your info-they are good. Car is RHD and SA stuff drove it on snow covered Ring...
Dec 18, 2008 8:33:36 PM
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Carlos from Spain:
KresoF1:Car is RHD and SA stuff drove it on snow covered Ring...Snow covered ring? whats the point there?
the results will be useless for comparison unless the also took its competitors and tested handling capabilities on snow of sportcars
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How about dry Hockenheim?
1.11,2min... With Bridgestones...
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It is pretty good time, just I am still little bit sceptic. Car is supplied by grey import dealer, not official Nissan Germany car... It seems to me that SA was pushed a lot by GTR fans to test it so, they choose IMHO wrong rute-aka grey import car tuned(suspension) by importer...
Re: Nissan GT-R test in Sport Auto
KresoF1:
Actually 997 GT2 achieved 1.09,8min on fully dry Hockenheim.
Correct. I didn't have that article to hand when I wrote my post. The complete normal course of the H'heim track was not available during the original GTG2 Supertest I cited.
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Re: Nissan GT-R test in Sport Auto
KresoF1: they choose IMHO wrong rute-aka grey import car tuned(suspension) by importer...
very wrong rute, I'm surprised SA fell into it... a GT-R with a tunner's suspension setup? being that HK lap times are mostly about chasis/suspensions.
What do we compare it to a private 997GT3 with Manthley suspension setup for HK? 
So then the results may not be so good afterall if we take into account the "small detail" about the suspensions upgrade. Still, until we have the real deal production version we don't know anything 
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This car is very special. Its price is less than half of the super sport cars and yet it competes with them from a performance standpoint. More importantly, using the argument that Porschephiles use in why they drive a Porsche, the GT-R is more of a daily driver than the super sport cars. The run of the mill Porsche's, BMW's, MB's and yes Ferrari's cannot match it.
I don't know what SA will conclude but this much I am sure of. European sport car manufacturers need to concern themselves with performance/value especially now and going forward. The Gt-R and Z1 are making them look like poor values.
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Re: Nissan GT-R test in Sport Auto
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This car is very special. Its price is less than half of the super sport cars and yet it competes with them from a performance standpoint. More importantly, using the argument that Porschephiles use in why they drive a Porsche, the GT-R is more of a daily driver than the super sport cars. The run of the mill Porsche's, BMW's, MB's and yes Ferrari's cannot match it.
I don't know what SA will conclude but this much I am sure of. European sport car manufacturers need to concern themselves with performance/value especially now and going forward. The Gt-R and Z1 are making them look like poor values.
Car purchasing and ownership is a more complex process than someone coming up with a fast(er) car and suddenly winning the crown. I don't think that european brands, established over the years have anything to be concerned strategically about the Nissan or the Corvette. European cars have been honed over many years and have gained special attributes, some of them intangible, that no newcomer can challenge. In the case of Ferrari in particular, its NBR times and other objective measurements are even more disappointing, but I don't think that it gives its management any sleepless nights or reduces the ego or euphoria of any F430 driver because his car is 26 whole seconds away from the GT-R's super lap.
However, the existence of GT-R type of cars can act as a stimulus for some engineers to come up with something better not so much for business reasons but for their own challenge. Which still cannot be a bad thing.
BTW I've seen a black GT-R this morning in the street for the first time, and I wouldn't own it even if I had won it in a lottery,in spite of the fact that I am a car enthusiast and know about its capabilities. You see intangibles and taste go much beyond a few seconds here or there.
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Re: Nissan GT-R test in Sport Auto
nberry:
You would not own a GT-R even if you won it in a lottery?????:??
In the future don't undermine your case with statements like that.
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NO because I don't like its design, although it is a technically competent car.
Looks in private transport vehicles are a very important factor for anyone.
If I had to choose earth moving equipment or even a commercial or a military vehicle then styling wouldn't be on my list of priorities.
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