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Nov 27, 2008 5:03:59 AM
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Re: Panamera - Official Pictures & Specs
SciFrog:I think Cayenne was ugly when it came out and it still is even after the refreshing. Even if the performance is good, is it a reason to buy for a street car that you do not like the looks. For track only car this is understandable since looks do not matter much but daily driver it better look good. I think this car will sell well only because it has a Porsche badge. They can get away with anyhing when people buy cars for badges.
I like it. I think some pics have a bad angle which in real life won't be that bad. Same as Cayenne when it came out. Honestly what I would like to know is performance compared to 997/Cayenne/S8/RS6. For this car to shine, it better be good, which is not that easy with the announced weight. Unless they can work some magic like the Nissan GT-R. That blue shade is really nice, but two fonts in the back make it messy.
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Re: Panamera - Official Pictures & Specs
ALDO:
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Hi,
there is a rumour that Walter Röhrl lapped the Nordschleife in 7:50 minutes with the Turbo-Panamera ... Respect!
Cheers
Tom
Nearly impossible! But who knows - maybe the have adapted Nissan technology in the Panamera :)
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True, it's blistering fast but Porsche has themselves claimed that the performance of the Panamera is close to the 911.
Here's what a Porsche exec said a while ago:
``My understanding is that the car, from a
performance point of view, has an issue in that it is almost too good.
The 911 is the benchmark car.
``From the performance point of view it has exceeded the benchmarks.''
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Re: Panamera - Official Pictures & Specs
Rookie:
Would be close to new M3 ... now Panamera i guess has 500 kg more to carry but only 100 hp more power ... we'll see
Cheers
Tom
The Panamera has a wider track, pop-up expandable wing.............and is a Porsche. It will most likely be more efficient than the M3 in getting all it's power down to the road.
With Porsche, their cars have always been greater than the sum of their parts. On the paper the 911 and Boxster have always looked inferior to their rivals but in reality they triumph. Besides that the M3 is quite a heavy car these days tipping the scale at 1.675kg. The Panamera Turbo will probably be just under 2000kg.
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Emperor:
ALDO:
Rookie:
Hi,
there is a rumour that Walter Röhrl lapped the Nordschleife in 7:50 minutes with the Turbo-Panamera ... Respect!
Cheers
Tom
Nearly impossible! But who knows - maybe the have adapted Nissan technology in the Panamera :)
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AM
True, it's blistering fast but Porsche has themselves claimed that the performance of the Panamera is close to the 911.
Here's what a Porsche exec said a while ago:
``My understanding is that the car, from a performance point of view, has an issue in that it is almost too good. The 911 is the benchmark car.
``From the performance point of view it has exceeded the benchmarks.''
Maybe Porsche compares Panamera turbo vs. 911 Carrera (no S, no tt). I think that the Panamera will slightly be better then the BMW M5 at Nordschleife. That would be fine.
Imagine that you are as fast with your Panamera turbo as with a 997 tt! At the same time you are travelling with your three best friends and four golfbags inside :)
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"Imagine that you are as fast with your Panamera turbo as with a 997 tt! At the same time you are travelling with your three best friends and four golfbags inside :)"
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Now that's what i'd call a USP 
Cheers
Tom
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ALDO:I guess that means that you are not a fan of that old Scottish sport "Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden"?
the only thing left is a superior sound system from Bang&Olufsen and the exchange of the three best friends with three best lookig girls :)
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ALDO:The 997 C2 can be beaten by the Panamera Turbo though the 997CS Mk.II is insanely fast the Panamera TT will probably lag behind just slight. With a possible power kit the 997C2S might possibly be left int he dust.
Emperor:
ALDO:
Rookie:
Hi,
there is a rumour that Walter Röhrl lapped the Nordschleife in 7:50 minutes with the Turbo-Panamera ... Respect!
Cheers
Tom
Nearly impossible! But who knows - maybe the have adapted Nissan technology in the Panamera :)
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AM
True, it's blistering fast but Porsche has themselves claimed that the performance of the Panamera is close to the 911.
Here's what a Porsche exec said a while ago:
``My understanding is that the car, from a performance point of view, has an issue in that it is almost too good. The 911 is the benchmark car.
``From the performance point of view it has exceeded the benchmarks.''Maybe Porsche compares Panamera turbo vs. 911 Carrera (no S, no tt). I think that the Panamera will slightly be better then the BMW M5 at Nordschleife. That would be fine.
Imagine that you are as fast with your Panamera turbo as with a 997 tt! At the same time you are travelling with your three best friends and four golfbags inside :)
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AM
Re: Panamera - Official Pictures & Specs
Lady of the house commented on the rear of Panamera: "Looks like a Seat!".
After moments deliberation, she added: "Since that's the view most of people will have of the car, it surely doesn't look good..."
I'm sort of on the fence with this. I really like the first 2/3 of the car. Rear... OK, if you want to be nice, you could say the designers have captured the 1930's American business coupes or radically designed 1936 Cords into the 21st century.
Or they just designed that before lunch.
Nov 27, 2008 8:48:57 PM
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KresoF1:Absolutely! are we kidding? on production car specs and tires? lets get real, it will be lucky to dip bellow 8:00 mins mark in WR's hands... 2000kg/500HP... An M5 is much lighter and smaller and has same HP, and if I remember correctly HvS's time was 8:05...
SciFrog:7.50min for 2000kg car with 500ps/700Nm???! Some people are taking some heavy ACID indeed...
7.50? That is fast, way above all competitors... Faster than an R8 or an LP560-4 or an F430 coupe!
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Nov 27, 2008 9:08:03 PM
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Carlos from Spain:
KresoF1:Absolutely! are we kidding? on production car specs and tires? lets get real, it will be lucky to dip bellow 8:00 mins mark in WR's hands... 2000kg/500HP... An M5 is much lighter and smaller and has same HP, and if I remember correctly HvS's time was 8:05...
SciFrog:7.50min for 2000kg car with 500ps/700Nm???! Some people are taking some heavy ACID indeed...
7.50? That is fast, way above all competitors... Faster than an R8 or an LP560-4 or an F430 coupe!
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Carlos, to correct you little bit M5 did 8.13min in HvS hands. Old Audi RS4 did 8.09min with Corsas. M3 did 8.05min in HvS hands with Cups...
I can tell you that Panamera Turbo is slower then new RS6 on the Ring. RS6 Supertest will bepublished very soon...
Panamera Turbo is very fast car but, it is NOT sportscar!
Nov 27, 2008 10:04:13 PM
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Nov 27, 2008 10:30:00 PM
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It all depends on the tyres and the power of the car. If the test car had more than 500 PS and used semi-slicks, the 7:50 doesn´t seem that unlikely with WR behind the wheel, so the claim could in fact be true. Of course, what the production model will actually achieve is a whole different story.
Kreso, so you are saying that the RS6 Avant, with its archaic engine-in-front-of-axle design is actually faster than the Panamera Turbo? I think that answers my previous question about what the production model will do
. What was the RS6´s time anyway? Did it dip under 8:00?
Nov 27, 2008 11:08:09 PM
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Nov 27, 2008 11:50:47 PM
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palenimbus:
Can anyone explain to me why the Panamera is so underpowered? 500hp for a car coming out in 2009? That means its weaker than the M5, the AMGs and the RS6 -- all of which are fairly old (except the RS6), I was expecting the top of the line model to have at least 600hp, especially considering the weight.
A 4-seat sedan with 600 hp?
Nah, that is so last-year.
The new trand is for cars to have the luggage trunk full of lithium ion batteries charged by a TDI engine/generator and a loooooooong flexible cable between the car and a wall socket in your garage back home.
Of course, we'd also want solar panels on the roof just in case the price of diesel fuel goes back up over €1.40 / liter and/ or some idiot drives a city tram over the loooooong flexible cable.
Life was so much simpler back in the days when a BMW 2000 was thought of as a fast, sporty family sedan. 
To put it in German: One should leave the church in the village, if you know what I mean.
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Nov 28, 2008 2:19:10 AM
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palenimbus:Did you forget about the power kit? 50hp more for only $25k
Can anyone explain to me why the Panamera is so underpowered? 500hp for a car coming out in 2009? That means its weaker than the M5, the AMGs and the RS6 -- all of which are fairly old (except the RS6), I was expecting the top of the line model to have at least 600hp, especially considering the weight.
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Nov 28, 2008 3:19:27 AM
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palenimbus:
Can anyone explain to me why the Panamera is so underpowered? 500hp for a car coming out in 2009? That means its weaker than the M5, the AMGs and the RS6 -- all of which are fairly old (except the RS6), I was expecting the top of the line model to have at least 600hp, especially considering the weight.
You actually answered your own question.
"I was expecting the top of the line model to have at least 600hp..."
Yes, I love talking in riddles. 
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Who needs more than 500PS for a saloon car to be used exclusively on the road? The panamera Turbo will be below 4 kg/PS which is very good. And don't forget that all Porsches have always been giving more performance with less PS, since the 60s.
Even the germans friends with the unlimited stretches of autobahn how often do they have the chance to max out?
Too much traffic and policing in all countries and also fuel consumption and emissions considerations limit the potential of even medium power car these days.
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reginos:
Who needs more than 500PS for a saloon car to be used exclusively on the road? The panamera Turbo will be below 4 kg/PS which is very good. And don't forget that all Porsches have always been giving more performance with less PS, since the 60s.
Even the germans friends with the unlimited stretches of autobahn how often do they have the chance to max out?
Too much traffic and policing in all countries and also fuel consumption and emissions considerations limit the potential of even medium power car these days.
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Well, I hear this from a lot of people, even over here in Germany.
Fact is: I drive over 300 kph almost each and every day, with the exception of the winter period because of the speed limited (240 kph) winter tires of course. 
Top speed isn't everything, actually it is sufficient for the Panamera if the top speed is 300 kph, simply because there aren't many situations where you can go much faster.
What is important is the acceleration in the 0-250 kph range and of course torque.
I know a lot of people who love the high revving M3 engine but personally, I love turbo charged torque monsters much more. The M3 engine always leaves me with the feeling of being underpowered, as absurd this may sound.
The Panamera Turbo isn't the last "word" from Porsche, if this car sells well.
Currently, the Panamera Turbo should hit 0-200 kph (0-125 mph) in aprox. 15 seconds. The powerkit version should do slightly better at around 14 seconds.
This is at par with the current Mercedes E63 AMG or S63 AMG for example.
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reginos:Not going to happen. A V10 is way too expensive to develop and there is no way VW will give Porsche access to the Lambaudi V10 found in the RS6 and gallardo. Not only that but the engine is very heavy, V8 turbo is more efficient. Forget about the CGT V10, taming it for the Cayenne and Panamera is too expensive. The trend is V8 turbo.
I expect a higher cc V8 engine and perhaps a V10 top model at the FL stage.
I wouldn't disregard a huge diesel too.
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