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Nov 23, 2008 12:04:36 AM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: ISUK

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ISUK , may be I should since it's 4:30 AM in Dubai and I am awake . If only the 'hatch' is more like Cayman one , the whole car would change dramaticly - and I still hope / expect to see that in Geneva . Smiley

Everything else is 'a' OK .... actualy to be completely satisfied I would like the cuting line on rear door to folow the wheel-well line instead of going strait into it .

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Nov 23, 2008 10:28:54 AM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: Misha011

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Did you realize that the last picture shows different daylights? This seems to be the front of the Panamera S.

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Nov 23, 2008 11:14:56 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: neunelf

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Misha, I think you're suffering from a serious case of denial. Everything points toward this being the real thing.

It seems that the rear looks quite bulbeous from the direct side view and the 3/4 rear. In the other pictures, it doesn't seem too bad. Really looking forward to seeing it in real life, but I am afraid that it is out of the same desing box as the cayenne...

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Nov 23, 2008 11:56:49 AM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: Joost

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Joost , that's benefit of advanced age (I am 56) - I take nothig at face value and question everything . Speaking about questions , in your sentence : " Everythng points toward this being the real thing" - what is ' Everything' , if you care to elaborate ?

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Nov 23, 2008 12:07:07 PM

ed_moree: Rennteam Pro; Loc: spain , China; Posts: 2407, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

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Misha as somebody that woks in the car industry I can tell you that this are pictures of a final prodcut aka how the Panamera will look in Geneva. There is no time and it will cost huge amount of money to make the slightest change on this car until Geneva motorshow in March. So prepare yourself!
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Nov 23, 2008 12:21:18 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: ed_moree

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I really like the car in blue with the white/beige interior. Would this be the turbo version? (due to PCCB)

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Nov 23, 2008 12:24:22 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Spyderidol:
I really like the car in blue with the white/beige interior. Would this be the turbo version? (due to PCCB)

I think the turbo model has the indicator lights lower down the side grilles.

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Nov 23, 2008 12:36:49 PM

550 Spyder: Junior; Loc: MD, USA; Posts: 90, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2004; Reply to: reginos

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the hatchback concept isn't my cup of tea. I hope they come out with a sedan version.

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Nov 23, 2008 12:46:29 PM

Ricardo: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 65, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2002; Reply to: 550 Spyder

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I am wondering if it´s a 4 or 5 seater. Anyone know?

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Nov 23, 2008 12:51:19 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: 550 Spyder

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550 Spyder:

the hatchback concept isn't my cup of tea. I hope they come out with a sedan version.

The sloping back is a natural design element for a Porsche limousine because a 3-volume classical sedan design would be very unnatural for the Porsche design tradition.

Of course they could have avoided the 5th door, even if they decided to give the car the sloping fastback look, and put a luggage area cover like the Carrera engine cover.

But why does the hatchback offend some people, I cannot understand!

It gives better access and loading space and it is therefore a practical feature for an all purpose GT car.

Americans don't generally like hatchbacks and they even prefer a VW Jetta to a Golf wheras in the ROW the Jetta is very slow selling.

In the case of Porsche, many american favourite models like the 928. 924/944 had a very practical rear door and still no one found this as a negative feature. Even the Cayman has got a hatchback and this hasn't put off anyone.

Our US friends should start liking the hatchbacks too. Times are changing!

If americans can get used to afro-american Hussein Obama as President, I don't think the hatchback is an issue that cannot be easily overcome! Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 12:53:52 PM

Flyer..: Senior; Loc: Berlin , Germany; Posts: 507, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 3, 2006; Reply to: reginos

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not my photoshop:

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Nov 23, 2008 12:58:05 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: reginos

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You're right reginos - the blue car actually says 4S on the rear. Sorry!

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Nov 23, 2008 12:58:08 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Ricardo

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Ricardo:

I am wondering if it´s a 4 or 5 seater. Anyone know?

4 seater.

I expect that a rear bench for 3 could be an expensive option soon Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 12:59:50 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Flyer..

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Thanks Flyer - It's amazing what a difference some color and rims can make!

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Nov 23, 2008 1:07:44 PM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Are they really going to write "Porsche" on the back of this car?

Is it because when people see it they will say "what the hell is that??" Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 1:45:39 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Spyderidol:
Thanks Flyer - It's amazing what a difference some color and rims can make!

Large limousine-sized cars need dark colours and large wheels.

A silver or beige S-class with 17" wheels looks almost hideous compared to a black one with 19".

The same goes for the outgoing 7 series. (I haven't seen the new one yet).

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Nov 23, 2008 2:48:28 PM

DaveC: Veteran; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 1068, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: reginos

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I'm done w/ automotive prognostications. I thought the Cayenne would be a flop, it's made a fortune for Porsche. I thought the most recent BMW 7 was a turkey and they are everywhere. Porsche designed and built a large luxo sedan to compete w/ MB/BMW/Jag/Lexus et. al. It has 911 "DNA" and the prestige of the PORSCHE name. It's exotic compared to what is seen everyday. In a shrinking world economy it may have the cachet and novelty to attract buyers away from their traditional choices in a luxury sedan. We (those who buy sports cars) are not the intended market. I personally don't care for the design, but I'm not a customer for its competitors either.
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Nov 23, 2008 3:01:52 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: DaveC

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My wife loves it!

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Nov 23, 2008 4:11:12 PM

Ziggy: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1600, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: Spyderidol

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The nighmare has become reality, it turns out it is really that ugly. Smiley Smiley Makes the GT-R looks good and the California a work of art, I am barely kidding. Smiley

I reminds me a little bit of the Scaglietti in a sense that in both cases the original sketches were very promising (the one picturing the sideline in case of the Panamera) and the final product does not replicate them.

In case of the Panamera it may be caused by the sheer size of the thing. Smiley

I agree with temm, I would take a 7-series instead in a heartbeat.

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Nov 23, 2008 4:16:54 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Misha011

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Misha011:
Joost , that's benefit of advanced age (I am 56) - I take nothig at face value and question everything . Speaking about questions , in your sentence : " Everythng points toward this being the real thing" - what is ' Everything' , if you care to elaborate ?

Misha, with everything, I meant the fact that these pics look a lot like the official pictures we have seen by porsche vefore. Both in composition and in color and background. Also, these pictures seem to be inline with pictures of noth heavily and not heavily camouflaged panameras. Also, Porsche doesn't have a history of entirely cocooning mules. Untill now, their tactic seem to have been to slowly peel away the layers of camouflage on the mules on the street. I can't remember any big surprises of cars that were released. Additional, the dutch article on autotelegraaf.nl tells us that the mebargo on press pictures was to be lifted on monday 24 november, so this is another hint that these are the real pictures. Another thing is that Christian claims to have seen a) CAD imagery of the real thing. b) the real thing, c) these pictures, and tells that they are all the same. OK, these pics could be of a cocooned model (but why release press pics of a fake car?) And yes, christian might have seen that fake car, but I can't imagine that there are also CAD pictures made of a fake car.

The only thing that points TOWARD the cocooning theory is the strange thickness of the doors as we have seen it in several spypics, but it could be that the doors are just terribly thick.

All in all, my conclusion is that this is the real thing. I hope that it isn't, but I wouldn't put my mooney on the cocoon theory.

-Joost-

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Nov 23, 2008 4:25:10 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Joost

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Now the GTR has a rival Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 4:27:05 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Spyderidol:
My wife loves it!

Mine too! So that means its a girls car? Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 4:32:13 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Lars997

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Well Porsche wasn't going to be outdone by Nissan! Smiley

Seriously - This car is'nt so bad. give it some time. I have gotten used to it's odd (and quirky) looks, and now I actually find it very attractive.

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Nov 23, 2008 4:46:38 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Lars997

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but Lars997:

Spyderidol:
My wife loves it!
Mine too! So that means its a girls car?

My wife loved it without me trying to influence. She said it makes the normal 3-box limousines look "ordinary".

Maybe it is because women themselves are not so stereotypical in appearance and they like to experiment with their hair, clothes etc!

A limousine must not have a hatchback many people say, as if this came like a commandment from god.

Personally, I like what I see in the pictures and the more I see them the more I like the car.

A 4-door Porsche couldn't look much different IMO, although I'd prefer a smaller front overhang, like BMW's.

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Nov 23, 2008 5:50:20 PM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: Joost

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Joost , thanks for reply and now I see your points of 'Everything' and that you have , too , some doubts / questions if they are 100% correct or not . You opted that they are true . However my standing is that they are not . Do I need to say that it's not about me or my ' cocoon theory ' but about Porsche Co. and my 40 years of admiration and respect for their cars . Only Geneva motor show and public desplay , will bring the true and final Panamera .

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Nov 23, 2008 6:01:36 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

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Funny that no one mentioned the "ugly dumpo style" door mirrors this time round.

I remember they were a big issue when the 997.2 was shown.

At least the Panam's rear lights aren't horribly drooping like on the FL Carreras.

Cheers to all the frustrated-would-be-car-designers on the Forum Smiley

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Nov 23, 2008 6:20:09 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: reginos

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I can't wait for a black panamera with 24" rims, lowered and tint to show up in rap music videos... it's got the certain 50 cent appeal i think..
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Nov 23, 2008 6:29:07 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

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besides they should have added the CGT grille intake crazy mouth effect...
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Nov 23, 2008 6:31:12 PM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: reginos

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Today , my wife took me in her VW Tiguan , which has an electronic parking brake - rear disk and that 'guards' plate looks practicaly the same as this one on Pam. so if not fully EWB , it is Electronic Parking Brake .

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Nov 23, 2008 6:47:26 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

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These are official images as per Porsche Cars Canada. One of the silver cars is a turbo on 19in wheels (20 will be standard) and 21in optional. No word on why it was photographed on the wrong wheels...

The car will be 4 seats ONLY no rear bench ever or possible (seats sit too low and the middle seat won't fit on the tunnel.)

Interior shots will be out by the end of the year. 17 new colors, new leather and 4+ new woods. No word on pricing but they said CLS550 on the low end for the S 2 wheel drive and S65 on the turbo high end.

You can see the wing on the siver top down shot.

IMHO the blue with the parchment leather looks great!

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