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Dec 3, 2008 4:43:28 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Do you guys ever use the rear seats for adults? It's so bad, that during lunch time, if I want to take co-workers to lunch and I brought the 997 to work, I have the adult(s) cram themselves in the back seat while I make the short drive back home to switch cars to a 4 door/4 pass vehicle. The ONLY reason for the rears seats is when I'm taking my son (who's 7 years old now) with me.

If the next gen was mid-engine / 8 cyl, yes, it would still be a 911 in shape. But you would not have to have the rear end abruptly fall off, as far as shape is concerned. If Porsche did this, it would interesting and exciting.

We need change! Smiley

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Dec 3, 2008 4:53:35 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: SoCal Alan

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I use the back seats a lot to take my 3 sons aged 2 , 4 and 6 . i agree that for adults it is torture Smiley

Otherwise I use them a lot also tu put my work stuff ... Smiley

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Dec 3, 2008 6:23:27 PM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots

For what it's worth, a mechanic who returned from a Panamera training session told me that it's the biggest stop Porsche has ever made in his recollection--and he's there almost 20 years.

It could very well be that RC is right about this mule containing Panamera technology but this doesn't mean it's not a future 911.

Whatever it is, it seems to have more room for those rear seats don't you think?

PS: thanks for the kind words Stradale Smiley

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Dec 3, 2008 6:28:46 PM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: neunelf

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The angle isn't the same of course but this car really seems like a lower, wider and longer 911

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Dec 3, 2008 6:51:55 PM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: neunelf

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neunelf:

The angle isn't the same of course but this car really seems like a lower, wider and longer 911

And that's exactly what it is. Autobild which is probably the most credible autosite on the net has said that this is a mule for the next generation 911. They have leaked lots of images and juicy images in the past so we need to stop kidding ourselves. This is the next generation 911.

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Dec 3, 2008 7:32:48 PM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: neunelf

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This isn't the most accurate method , but close enough . Everything depends on wheel size - if blue and black cars are on 19" then WB is same 239 cm (Porsche spec. 235 cm , here tolerable inaccuracy ) . If black car is on 20' then WB is 250 cm or near by . All in all , most likely the same platform .

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Dec 3, 2008 7:58:14 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Misha011

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We are driving crazy...but for me is the new 911 ...at least is what i think today Smiley

the roof line and windows lines are of a 911,and also the lines of the rear of the car,try to delete the camouflaged big wing from the latest pictures posted here up,you fill find the lines that start from the rear bumper(near the taillights) and goes on the engine cover and up to the roof...is a 911 Smiley

the engine is in the right place too

the guys in Weissach made a good work,and maybe the whant to made us think is a Turbo(due to the big wing and the fake air inlets)to take out our attention from the new Carrera,and to think something different

When we saw the first mules of the 997,noone think if was something different from a "standard" Carrera...now they whant to make for us the game not easy as before.. Smiley Smiley

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Dec 3, 2008 9:53:27 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

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And here we go again with the speculation. A mid-engined 8 cyl. 911? Are you guys nuts? Smiley (oh boy, I just love this smiley...).

Btw: we had this 8 cyl. discussion before the 997 was introduced.

A 8 cyl. engine would break the 911 tradition, this would be one of the biggest mistakes Porsche can make right now, especially since the Cayenne is almost "dead" and the Panamera is just at the starting point.

I also doubt it that Porsche could build a mid-engined 911 with rear seats and trust me, the 911 would not sell in this price class without them. There are some track addicts who drive a GT3 or GT2 but most 911 owners appreciate the rear seats for various reasons, starting from moving the kids, dog, whatever or just plain and simple more luggage room.

Substantially changing the 911 would destory the brandname Porsche in my opinion.

On the contrary, I would love to see more room in the rear because even my 8 year old daugther doesn't really fit there anymore.

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Dec 3, 2008 10:24:50 PM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: RC

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RC:

A 8 cyl. engine would break the 911 tradition, this would be one of the biggest mistakes Porsche can make right now, especially since the Cayenne is almost "dead" and the Panamera is just at the starting point.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

Why would that be the case if the can make an 8 cylinder engine light as the 6 cylinder?? Could the car be housing the so call "engine of the future" that TechArt bought of a dude that stole a few engines from Porsche R&D last year?

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Dec 3, 2008 10:37:18 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:

On the contrary, I would love to see more room in the rear because even my 8 year old daugther doesn't really fit there anymore.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

I sure hope they don't make the 911 even bigger - that's what the Panamera and new 928 Panamera Coupe are for...

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Dec 4, 2008 12:38:33 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots

alright you guys asked for it, did a quick impression just now in case it might be the 991.

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Dec 4, 2008 12:39:24 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

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PS let me know what you dislike and i could make changes as we go along...
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Dec 4, 2008 12:45:40 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Very nice job!
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Dec 4, 2008 12:54:53 AM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: Grant

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Good job but as we can see my the mule, the next generation 911 will be lower, wider and chunkier in its appearance. Therefore your drawing could have looked a bit more muscular and perhaps less sleek tail lights. The 998 will follow in the Panameras foot steps with aggressive proportions, it resembles an alligator.

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Dec 4, 2008 1:25:08 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Emperor

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front one
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Dec 4, 2008 1:42:58 AM

racerx: Rennteam VIP; Loc: 1985 porsche dealership , Bouvet Island; Posts: 8751, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Well i like this new direction in shape seen in the mule and your drawings. It is starting to look more like a supercar and less like a VW. (ironic, huh)

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Dec 4, 2008 4:26:23 AM

vincesf: Co-Pilot; Loc: California; Posts: 258, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 2, 2007; Reply to: racerx

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I too like this new direction in shape with the right blending of curved and angular surfaces. Lamborghini seems to be very angular in its approach, Ferrari much more rounded, Porsche much more rounded yet. Of course, as Porsche becomes more angular it will be ever so evolutionary with its iconic model.

vincesf

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Dec 4, 2008 6:06:02 AM

xandi911: Senior; Loc: brasil; Posts: 688, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 14, 2006; Reply to: vincesf

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great draws! i liked your front bumpér!! ;)

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Dec 4, 2008 2:55:57 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC, what's wrong with all the speculating?

Its fun; it creates interest, feedback and hype for Porsche - plus traffic for rennteam; it allows us to share ideas, knowledge and insights, and - when we're wrong - gives us a great opportunity to laugh at our selves (especially good for guys like me!!) Smiley

I don't see much of a downside to it! And its a beautiful thing when guys like you can share a little inside information!! Smiley

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Dec 4, 2008 2:57:44 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Atzporsche

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You rock ATZ!!

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Dec 4, 2008 3:05:46 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: davew (cincy)

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Does anyone else here really love the way rear of this cammoed whatever-it-is looks? I don't know how this mule performs in terms of drag and downforce, but I'd welcome a fixed body style like this in exchange for a wing.

Any thoughts??

I should add that I do like wings in general - at least the functional ones Porsche designs - so I'm not asking for them to go away alltogether...

Maybe Atzporsche could explore this a bit for them...??

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Dec 4, 2008 3:35:09 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots

Misha011:
This isn't the most accurate method , but close enough . Everything depends on wheel size - if blue and black cars are on 19" then WB is same 239 cm (Porsche spec. 235 cm , here tolerable inaccuracy ) . If black car is on 20' then WB is 250 cm or near by . All in all , most likely the same platform .

Interesting.

You need to account quite a bit for the camo though. In the rear the fake lights are probably on top of the real end of the car. So if you use your analysis it makes it even more likely.

It's the next 911.

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Dec 4, 2008 3:37:45 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Atzporsche:
alright you guys asked for it, did a quick impression just now in case it might be the 991.
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1986 Porsche 944, 5spd

Depending on Performance but based on that look I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Dec 4, 2008 4:44:14 PM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: Misha011

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@Misha011: I wonder if your image is now making the rounds at BMW & Co--great analysis Smiley

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Dec 4, 2008 5:43:48 PM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: neunelf

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Thanks 911 Smiley

- don't know what's BMW & Co. Smiley

are they located in Zuffenhausen ?

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Dec 4, 2008 6:50:33 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

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Check it out: http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/ruf+electric+911/

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Dec 4, 2008 11:27:54 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: davew (cincy)

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davew (cincy):

Does anyone else here really love the way rear of this cammoed whatever-it-is looks? I don't know how this mule performs in terms of drag and downforce, but I'd welcome a fixed body style like this in exchange for a wing.

Any thoughts??

I should add that I do like wings in general - at least the functional ones Porsche designs - so I'm not asking for them to go away alltogether...

Maybe Atzporsche could explore this a bit for them...??

haha thanks dave, i too love the speculation and fun of it all. I get excited and end up sketching away. I have some more but i'd like to make these a little more clear.

i feel you on the wing thing, i do like the wings, but i'd like to see something different. Maybe a la 959 style.. ill work on it ; Smiley

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Dec 5, 2008 3:03:13 PM

Trundle_GT3: Veteran; Loc: CA, USA; Posts: 1016, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 30, 2003; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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Ron (Houston):

http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-998-porsche-911-turbo.html

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They could be testing the likes of this US Patent Application.

Pub No,:2008/0272616A1

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Dec 5, 2008 4:53:39 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Trundle_GT3

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As soon as I saw the spyshots and the way the rear was camoed I had suspecion that they'll have a spoiler like Panamera up their sleeves.

I think it would look nice on 911.

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Dec 5, 2008 5:46:49 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots

Times ago there was a post here on RennTeam of some Patent draws of a wing that is like the one of the Panamera but for a 911(the new 911)

Ron we must search in the archive Smiley

if i have time this evening i search them

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