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Feb 11, 2017 4:10:14 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: BiTurbo

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Surprised that the Porsche top speed is so low... 20 km/h under competition.. WTF happened mail yes Porsche once came out with the fastest production car on the road with ALL the luxury in the world at the same time angry

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Feb 11, 2017 11:45:27 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Atzporsche:
Surprised that the Porsche top speed is so low... 20 km/h under competition.. WTF happened Porsche once came out with the fastest production car on the road with ALL the luxury in the world at the same time

Frankly, I think is more than enough for such a heavy car Smiley The dynamics of these heavy machines at high speed are not to underestimate. The problem is that most buyers probably don't have a clue about these risks...

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Feb 11, 2017 11:55:23 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

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Looked at the new Panamera out of interest when I was arranging the service of our Boxster last week. Porsche have done a great job, even though I'm no fan of big limousines. I guess if you want a very good clue of what the next 911 interior will look like - this is it, particularly the slick new centre console. Makes 991 look quite old fashioned, if I was in the market for a new 911 I think I'd wait a couple of years - unless I had money to burn.

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Feb 11, 2017 1:53:33 PM

W8MM: Rennteam Master; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 3993, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2003; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Atzporsche:
Surprised that the Porsche top speed is so low... 20 km/h under competition.. WTF happened Porsche once came out with the fastest production car on the road with ALL the luxury in the world at the same time

Wait until the Panamera Turbo S hybrid is released!

It may not improve top speed by much, but it will attain speed in no time at all.

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Feb 11, 2017 8:07:50 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: W8MM

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Maybe it will go so fast it will launch backwards.

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Feb 12, 2017 6:10:29 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: Wonderbar

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some inside infos

680 hp and 2.400 kg - wow - but an acceleration like hell

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Feb 12, 2017 6:27:01 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

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That would be about 350kg more than the non-hybrid version Smiley Still, I am very excited how they integrate both systems Smiley

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Feb 12, 2017 6:28:01 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: ALDO

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ALDO:
2.400 kg

This is just insane!

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Feb 12, 2017 6:36:08 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR:
That would be about 350kg more than the non-hybrid version Still, I am very excited how they integrate both systems

355 kg difference between Panamera 4 and 4 hybrid

Turbo is 1995 kg, so the 2.400 kg are round up. Turbo s has some extras as standard.

The acceleration with lunch control is crazy - I have made a short video, but I'm nut sure if it is good idea to preset it here.

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Feb 12, 2017 6:40:51 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: ALDO

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What kind of pure electric range does it have? I can't see how the hybrid stuff adds 800 lbs unless it's got a ton of batteries and range, which I didn't think it did. At 2400 kg, it might as well be a full EV...

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Feb 12, 2017 7:02:38 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: noone1

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Told you guys last year the incoming Panamera Turbo S will be a monster smiley

2400kg is very comparable to a Teslas Model S. But the Panamera will be infinite more practical, no need to find charging stations every 10 mins and a lot more luxurious, and it will handles.

it will likely retain the 14.1kWh battery from the 4 hybrid, that's more than double the size of the 6.8kWh battery in the 918, and the 918 battery weights in at 138kg. Range in the 4 hybrid is an estimate 50km for government test cycles, so the Turbo S should be just around there or slightly below.

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Feb 12, 2017 7:29:48 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Total stopgap product supposed to be a showcase. Panamera practical? 4 seats and no trunk... On top of a whole line 30% overpriced it is a very very tough sell.

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Feb 12, 2017 8:44:19 PM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

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I hate to say it but I think I would prefer a model s p100d here in the US. Would cost a good $60-70k less too.

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Feb 12, 2017 8:53:12 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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EnglishManInNY:
I hate to say it but I think I would prefer a model s p100d here in the US. Would cost a good $60-70k less too.

The Tesla would be cheaper by far - but otherwise the Panamera will be superior in each and every category Smiley

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Feb 12, 2017 8:55:36 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR:
EnglishManInNY:
I hate to say it but I think I would prefer a model s p100d here in the US. Would cost a good $60-70k less too.

The Tesla would be cheaper by far - but otherwise the Panamera will be superior in each and every category

not in every! the trunk space is much smaller

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Feb 12, 2017 9:05:51 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

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ALDO:
MKSGR:
EnglishManInNY:
I hate to say it but I think I would prefer a model s p100d here in the US. Would cost a good $60-70k less too.

The Tesla would be cheaper by far - but otherwise the Panamera will be superior in each and every category

not in every! the trunk space is much smaller

Smiley

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Feb 12, 2017 9:16:29 PM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

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For me the only advantage of the panamera is prob handling. And the Panamera is a good 30% too expensive.

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Feb 12, 2017 9:19:11 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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EnglishManInNY:
For me the only advantage of the panamera is prob handling. And the Panamera is a good 30% too expensive.

+ brakes

+ steering

+ quality

+ performance in higher speed ranges (not relevant in the US, I agree, but in Germany the Tesla is extremely slow beyond 180kph)

+ Independance of electricity

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Feb 12, 2017 9:31:05 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

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Add styling to the list.

Not crazy about the rear treatment of the Tesla.

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Feb 12, 2017 10:03:10 PM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR:
EnglishManInNY:
For me the only advantage of the panamera is prob handling. And the Panamera is a good 30% too expensive.

+ brakes

+ steering

+ quality

+ performance in higher speed ranges (not relevant in the US, I agree, but in Germany the Tesla is extremely slow beyond 180kph)

+ Independance of electricity

Brakes ok give you that.

steering. Ok important on my sports car. Sedan not so important.

Quality. I prefer my tesla to any of my bmws. And the 991 feels v old in comparison. Also the panamera should be better since its at least 30% too expensive.

Peformance. Ok above 80mph yes. But the tesla would be there seconds before the panamera. In gear the panamera would loose also. The instant torque on the tesla is so yummy

Independence of electricity. Depends. My wife has not been to a gas station in 2 years and she loves that.

Anyways didn't want to make this into a tesla fest.

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Feb 12, 2017 10:23:30 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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Well, your points are valid, since they are coming from actual usage of particular car. We must be aware that Tesla is very young company, so yeah, Model S is big success.

2.4 t car from Porsche doesnt sound revolutionary, nor sports oriented. You will have impression that Turbo S is sporty, but that impression is masked. True fact is, new Turbo S is fat pig.

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Feb 12, 2017 11:28:11 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
Told you guys last year the incoming Panamera Turbo S will be a monster

2400kg is very comparable to a Teslas Model S. But the Panamera will be infinite more practical, no need to find charging stations every 10 mins and a lot more luxurious, and it will handles.

it will likely retain the 14.1kWh battery from the 4 hybrid, that's more than double the size of the 6.8kWh battery in the 918, and the 918 battery weights in at 138kg. Range in the 4 hybrid is an estimate 50km for government test cycles, so the Turbo S should be just around there or slightly below.

How is it more practical? I don't see it that way at all.

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Feb 12, 2017 11:30:02 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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EnglishManInNY:

Independence of electricity. Depends. My wife has not been to a gas station in 2 years and she loves that.

but but but she probably found herself with no charge 20 times and having to use another car or get a taxi, right? ;)

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Feb 13, 2017 1:08:40 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: noone1

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noone1:
Whoopsy:
Told you guys last year the incoming Panamera Turbo S will be a monster

2400kg is very comparable to a Teslas Model S. But the Panamera will be infinite more practical, no need to find charging stations every 10 mins and a lot more luxurious, and it will handles.

it will likely retain the 14.1kWh battery from the 4 hybrid, that's more than double the size of the 6.8kWh battery in the 918, and the 918 battery weights in at 138kg. Range in the 4 hybrid is an estimate 50km for government test cycles, so the Turbo S should be just around there or slightly below.

How is it more practical? I don't see it that way at all.

Comes back to the question of charging vs filling gas.

5 mins to fill a tank with 10s of thousands of gas stations. No need to remember plug the car into the wall every night. Car can be parked on the street instead of garage cause no need to be near a plug.

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Feb 13, 2017 1:13:13 AM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Englishman's wife seems to have had no problems with it after 2 years. I also can't imagine having no garage space when I have a $175K Porsche...

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Feb 13, 2017 1:19:57 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: noone1

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noone1:
Englishman's wife seems to have had no problems with it after 2 years. I also can't imagine having no garage space when I have a $175K Porsche...

Very easy to do, I am out already. Soon my Cayenne Turbo S will need to live on the street too.

To further that point, people living in apartments may not have a plug near their parking spot either. London townhouses also relies on street parking. There are many examples.

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Feb 13, 2017 1:26:24 AM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: noone1

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I got my wife the model x to replace her i3 and x5. I think she forgot once to not plug in the i3 in 14k miles in 2 years. Now she wants another i3 along side the tesla for doing short trips. She loves the small size and zippy performance. She hates filling up.

Given we rarely do trips over 200miles we have not had any issues with range.

If I can get another good lease deal from tesla I will be getting a model s p100d.

The new GT3 will fill the void of any ICE sports car for me even if all my family cars can beat it at the lights.

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Feb 13, 2017 1:45:30 AM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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Porsche needs to put out Mission E ASAP !!!!

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Feb 13, 2017 1:53:19 AM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
noone1:
Englishman's wife seems to have had no problems with it after 2 years. I also can't imagine having no garage space when I have a $175K Porsche...

Very easy to do, I am out already. Soon my Cayenne Turbo S will need to live on the street too.

To further that point, people living in apartments may not have a plug near their parking spot either. London townhouses also relies on street parking. There are many examples.

You are in no way close to the typical person when it comes to car ownership, even in wealthy demographics. If you didn't own a bunch of exotics, you'd simply park a different car on the street.

I'm not sure picking a single, congested and dense city in the world is very indicative of anything. Hell, most people wouldn't even bother having a car in London.

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Feb 13, 2017 2:28:15 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: ALDO

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ALDO:
MKSGR:
That would be about 350kg more than the non-hybrid version Still, I am very excited how they integrate both systems

The acceleration with lunch control is crazy - I have made a short video, but I'm nut sure if it is good idea to preset it here.

I'd love myself some lunch control in my Panamera. "Here's your salmon sir". Smiley Smiley

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