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Sep 26, 2017 7:26:08 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

MKSGR:
In contrast to herbalizer Chris Harris does not seem too impressed

"Best Lamborghini I drove"...

Markus, Chris Harris drove a Bugatti Chiron, so why would he be impressed with any car? Smiley

Kidding aside, Chris Harris never seem to have liked Lamborghini, for whatever reason.

Also keep in mind that he came to money (and international fame) now, so he can be very picky if he wishes to.

Besides that, his enthusiasm for cars seem to have died down a bit anyway, at least this is my impression. Maybe too much work? When fun becomes work and work becomes stress, well... Smiley

Or he just doesn't like Lamborghini. Smiley

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Sep 26, 2017 2:18:45 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

I think he was banned from driving Lamborghinis 1-2 years ago.

But now he is on Top Gear...so hes best friends with Lambo again.

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Sep 26, 2017 2:32:37 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Topspeed:
I think he was banned from driving Lamborghinis 1-2 years ago.

But now he is on Top Gear...so hes best friends with Lambo again.

Are you sure it wasn't Ferrari? Smiley Smiley

Chris Harris is a great reviewer and fun to watch. I just have a hard time understanding his, sometimes, "erratic" behavior. For example when he started to drive the R8 and loved it and then the whole review took a very negative turn because he heavily criticized the various driving setting modes he didn't seem to understand and/or set up properly. You don't have to be a genius to do that and I am pretty sure he had someone to ask.

I like him though, he really tries to feel the cars he is reviewing but I think that he is a little bit too focused on his personal preferences. Just imagine me reviewing a Tesla S... Smiley Smiley

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Sep 26, 2017 5:09:52 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
Topspeed:
I think he was banned from driving Lamborghinis 1-2 years ago.

But now he is on Top Gear...so hes best friends with Lambo again.

Are you sure it wasn't Ferrari?

Ferrari was like 4-5 years ago Smiley

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Sep 27, 2017 5:25:03 PM

kingjr9000: Senior; Loc: In my mind , United States; Posts: 549, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

lap record (on Pirelli Trofeo R)

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Sep 27, 2017 9:35:02 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5183, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: kingjr9000

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

A lap record!?! That's impossible, according to several Rennteam pundits...

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Sep 27, 2017 9:52:08 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Trofeo R.

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Sep 27, 2017 10:47:44 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

New Trofeo Rs vs all old tires. 918 will blow it out of the water on new Trofeo R.

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Sep 28, 2017 7:10:40 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Topspeed:
Trofeo R.

So what? The record lap on the Nordschleife has been achieved on the very same tire. Smiley

Also, the Cup 2 ZP Mercedes or GM are using for their sportscars is as sticky as the Trofeo R, no doubt about it.

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Sep 28, 2017 12:28:57 PM

kingjr9000: Senior; Loc: In my mind , United States; Posts: 549, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Got some info:

The article is focused on the hotlap: after half lap, Perfarmante was 0.3s faster than 918, Porsche is faster in the last (short) straight, thanks the monstre power.
Trofeo R tires give an hand, thanks the high grip and better fading than Corsas. aggressive engine and brakes, powerful

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Sep 28, 2017 12:56:26 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5183, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: kingjr9000

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

kingjr9000:
Got some info:

The article is focused on the hotlap: after half lap, Perfarmante was 0.3s faster than 918, Porsche is faster in the last (short) straight, thanks the monstre power.
Trofeo R tires give an hand, thanks the high grip and better fading than Corsas. aggressive engine and brakes, powerful

Don’t forget that the 918’s hybrid system can’t complete the entire lap under full power in hot lap mode. Therefore, for much of the second half of the lap, the 918 has a distinct power disadvantage compared to the Performante as the battery pack recharges.

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Sep 28, 2017 1:05:31 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

And the Performante's tires will be toast on lap 2 anyway. These hot laps occur with tires that are one and done on such a long lap, and the cars do weigh a hell of a lot more than race cars.

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Sep 28, 2017 1:22:39 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

noone1:
And the Performante's tires will be toast on lap 2 anyway. These hot laps occur with tires that are one and done on such a long lap, and the cars do weigh a hell of a lot more than race cars.

Depends on the length of the laps... Smiley Two Nordschleife laps? Likely. Two Hockenheim Kleiner Ring laps? Unlikely.

The crappiest semi-slick is the Cup 2 with Audi rating available for my R8. A guy I know with the same car told me that this tire lasts a round or two (on a short track in summer) and then it starts loosing grip ("smearing"). Tried the Cup 2 on a test car and while I like this tire a lot (impressive wet performance for a semi slick), I do not understand why Audi didn't go the full nine yards here to offer an excellent semi-slick instead of an allrounder. Smiley Only reason I didn't get it for my car is the fact that it lasts only around 6-8k km. I do that in less than a year.

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Sep 28, 2017 2:25:26 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
Topspeed:
Trofeo R.

So what? The record lap on the Nordschleife has been achieved on the very same tire.

Also, the Cup 2 ZP Mercedes or GM are using for their sportscars is as sticky as the Trofeo R, no doubt about it.

Just saying, 918 spyder had inferior tires.

Besides, this is a short track so you cannot take advantage of your higher power.

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Oct 8, 2017 5:13:25 PM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: Topspeed

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Oct 8, 2017 8:14:12 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14173, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Funky tires .....

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Oct 8, 2017 11:30:23 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: kingjr9000

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

kingjr9000:
Got some info:

The article is focused on the hotlap: after half lap, Perfarmante was 0.3s faster than 918, Porsche is faster in the last (short) straight, thanks the monstre power.
Trofeo R tires give an hand, thanks the high grip and better fading than Corsas. aggressive engine and brakes, powerful

Onboard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slq0_xxLjJo

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Oct 13, 2017 6:19:14 PM

kingjr9000: Senior; Loc: In my mind , United States; Posts: 549, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Oh Yeah! Broke another record

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lamborghini-huracan-performante-breaks-autocars-handling-track-lap-record

And another one: Balocco- 2:38.07

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Oct 14, 2017 9:09:23 AM

kingjr9000: Senior; Loc: In my mind , United States; Posts: 549, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: kingjr9000

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scans

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Oct 14, 2017 1:44:09 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: kingjr9000

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

Good time, but yeah, as expect it was using "what might be the most adhesive set of tires on the road legal side of a hill-climb slick."

Makes sense given that it was a little quicker in the dry, but 5s slower in the wet even though it's AWD.

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Oct 14, 2017 2:27:08 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: noone1

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

The Performante weighs more than a standard Huracan enlightened

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Oct 16, 2017 7:58:04 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

BiTurbo:
The Performante weighs more than a standard Huracan

Well, the aero tech is not really light... Smiley

Who cares though? The car is fast, looks amazing, drivers amazing...only thing missing would be more power but I guess this is the price you have to pay for a wonderful n/a V10 engine. Smiley

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Oct 16, 2017 7:58:36 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

noone1:
Good time, but yeah, as expect it was using "what might be the most adhesive set of tires on the road legal side of a hill-climb slick."

Makes sense given that it was a little quicker in the dry, but 5s slower in the wet even though it's AWD.

So what? Tires can't beat physics...yet.

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Oct 16, 2017 11:11:12 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
BiTurbo:
The Performante weighs more than a standard Huracan

Well, the aero tech is not really light...

Who cares though? The car is fast, looks amazing, drivers amazing...only thing missing would be more power but I guess this is the price you have to pay for a wonderful n/a V10 engine.

Weight reduction over the extra power for me, even at 550 ~ 600 hp would suffice as long as it meets my target weight Smiley

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Oct 16, 2017 11:13:30 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
BiTurbo:
The Performante weighs more than a standard Huracan

Well, the aero tech is not really light...

Who cares though? The car is fast, looks amazing, drivers amazing...only thing missing would be more power but I guess this is the price you have to pay for a wonderful n/a V10 engine.

So we won't see a lighter Huracán, I guess. But will there be another NA-V10 with the facelift and another NA-V10 in a Performante.2 based on the Huracán facelift? Smiley

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Oct 16, 2017 11:26:04 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

There are rumors about Aventador Performante in the works

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Oct 16, 2017 12:23:25 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
noone1:
Good time, but yeah, as expect it was using "what might be the most adhesive set of tires on the road legal side of a hill-climb slick."

Makes sense given that it was a little quicker in the dry, but 5s slower in the wet even though it's AWD.

So what? Tires can't beat physics...yet.

I'm just saying it's an indication of how aggressive the tires are over Corsas etc. I maintain that the majority of the performance gain is tires.

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Oct 16, 2017 1:38:44 PM

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Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

It looks like the NA V10 & V12 will be around for at least 5years + for Lamborghini.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/lamborghini-rd-boss-why-v10-and-v12-are-here-stay

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Oct 17, 2017 9:22:31 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: BONES

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

BONES:
It looks like the NA V10 & V12 will be around for at least 5years + for Lamborghini.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/lamborghini-rd-boss-why-v10-and-v12-are-here-stay

His wish, he says, is for them to be around “for as long as possible”. Reggiani concludes: “Naturally aspirated is part of the DNA of a super-sportscar. No other [type of] engine can provide the emotion, the response, the sound. It’s unique – and that makes the difference today for Lamborghini.”

Well, his wish is his wish but VW Group decides where the voyage is going to...

The V12 stays for sure, this has been confirmed by various sources.

The V10 is still a huge question-mark because the engine is at it's power end and to be competitive, Lamborghini needs to look for a 7xx power figure in their next Huracan generation. At the same time, they need to adjust to new emissions standards. Weight reduction? Let's not kid ourselves here anymore. We all know that substantial weight reductions aren't possible anymore for various reasons. How does McLaren do it? I haven't seen a single crash test with a McLaren and McLaren customers usually don't ask for comfort/assisted driving systems features. Yet.

All I know is that right now, there is a lot going on at VW Group and we should be careful with what anyone from their brands says right now. In two weeks, this can already be obsolete. Smiley

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Oct 18, 2017 1:48:02 AM

martini964: Veteran; Loc: Toronto , Canada; Posts: 853, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 1, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

RC:
BONES:
It looks like the NA V10 & V12 will be around for at least 5years + for Lamborghini.

Hey Christian, I was thinking of you at this video,waking up and wualla :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqopay-9_DE

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