Jan 25, 2006 7:14:58 PM
Jan 25, 2006 11:11:25 PM
Jan 25, 2006 11:59:12 PM
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EnglishManInNY said:
Just got my digital version of the March edition of Car and Driver and they rate the AM V8 better than the 997S basically because there will be 3,000 versus 30,000 997s and the fact they say it is exotic while the 997S is just 'familar'...
The 997S just blows the AM V8 away from their performance tests.
997S/AM V8
0-60 4.3/5.1
0-100 10.7/12.3
1/4M [Email]13.6@105/12.8@111[/Email]
If performance is what you want (for the price) then Porsche isn't what you want. The Z06 will blow it out of the water for a lot less money.
I can't figure some of you out... some of you use the exclusivity card or the performance card based on whichever Porsche will win out on. If you would demand more of Porsche they would be forced to acknowledge their customer base.
Jan 26, 2006 10:25:09 PM
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John H said:
I asked an AM main dealer's Sales Manager which car HE thought was the best in all round terms. His answer surprised me somewhat - "If you want a car that doesn't break down every other week, get the 997"
Jan 27, 2006 7:26:32 PM
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EnglishManInNY said:
Just got my digital version of the March edition of Car and Driver and they rate the AM V8 better than the 997S basically because there will be 3,000 versus 30,000 997s and the fact they say it is exotic while the 997S is just 'familar'...
The 997S just blows the AM V8 away from their performance tests.
997S/AM V8
0-60 4.3/5.1
0-100 10.7/12.3
1/4M [Email]13.6@105/12.8@111[/Email]
Jan 28, 2006 3:00:14 AM
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birdness said:
For slightly more money you can get an Aston, who in his right mind wouldn't go for it?
Jan 28, 2006 11:04:52 AM
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birdness said:.For slightly more money you can get an Aston, who in his right mind wouldn't go for it?
Jan 28, 2006 11:20:02 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:Quote:
birdness said:.For slightly more money you can get an Aston, who in his right mind wouldn't go for it?
I love the looks of the V8 Aston, simply beautiful... but is its a enjoyable and sporty to drive as the Porsche? is is as fast and effective in the streets as the Porsche? is it as reliable as the Porsche? is it as practical as the Porsche? etc.
... the only thing the front engined supercharged Aston has going for it is its looks and that its more exclusive. Two qualities that are not at the top of the list in many Sportcars buyer's mind, like myself.
So it depends what you value most in a Sportcar, both are good respectable choices I just don't see them as competitors really, one is "the" sportcar, the other a stunningly beautiful sporty-coupe.
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birdness said:.For slightly more money you can get an Aston, who in his right mind wouldn't go for it?
I love the looks of the V8 Aston, simply beautiful... but is its a enjoyable and sporty to drive as the Porsche? is is as fast and effective in the streets as the Porsche? is it as reliable as the Porsche? is it as practical as the Porsche? etc.
... the only thing the front engined supercharged Aston has going for it is its looks and that its more exclusive. Two qualities that are not at the top of the list in many Sportcars buyer's mind, like myself.
So it depends what you value most in a Sportcar, both are good respectable choices I just don't see them as competitors really, one is "the" sportcar, the other a stunningly beautiful sporty-coupe.
I wouldn't call a car that can do the 'Ring in 8:03 a sporty coupe. Do not forget that the 997S did it in 8:05.
Jan 29, 2006 12:03:46 AM
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birdness said:
I wouldn't call a car that can do the 'Ring in 8:03 a sporty coupe. Do not forget that the 997S did it in 8:05.
Jan 29, 2006 12:41:09 AM
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birdness said:
I wouldn't call a car that can do the 'Ring in 8:03 a sporty coupe. Do not forget that the 997S did it in 8:05.
It is if the 8:03 was done a day with 28*C and Semi-Slick Corsa tires, while the 997S did 8:05 with 12*C and regular street tires. If the lap had been done the same day as the 997S and with the same tires, the Aston would of been in the sporty-coupe E46-M3 territory in terms of lap time.
There have been three differnt TV comparisons were they end up pointing the same thing, the difference in sportiness, the Aston is not meant to be pushed to the limit like the 911 is.
The Aston has a supercharged engine, it is front engined, its sterring and chasis setup is not as sporty, and weighs a whopping 500lbs more... that to me is a sporty coupe, though each is entittles to their own definition of a sporty coupe so there is no wrong or right. And I don't mean sporty-coupe as derrogatory, its just a different concept or class than sportcar, not better not worse. The Aston V8, marketing aside, is more along the lines of a Maserati Coupe.
Jan 29, 2006 11:40:27 AM
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birdness said:
I will respond to all your points:
point#1: In all fairness, we don't know what the temperatures were at the time of testing. It is equally probable that the test was done at 12 degrees for the aston and 28 degrees for the porsche, and not the other way around as you automatically suggest. All we have are the lap times so let us stick to hard facts.
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Point #2; You cannot put semi-slick tires on a 997S as per the 911 instruction manual because, unlike the Aston, it does not have a dry sump lubrication system and you might get oil starvation effects on the engine with the high G forces that semi-slick tires would generate in cornering.Hence, semi-slicks are not an option for the 997S
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point 3: The Aston is not supercharged, at least not yet
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point 4: The 997S got a time on the "ring of 8:05 with the advantage of the sports suspension package AND carbon ceramic brakes, which the Aston does not have.
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birdness said:
In spite of all of the above, I would still get the Aston simply on the basis that it is stunningly beautiful and incredibly rare. Just driving it would be an event each and every day!!!
Jan 29, 2006 12:00:35 PM
Jan 29, 2006 12:05:12 PM
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birdness said:
I will respond to all your points:
point#1: In all fairness, we don't know what the temperatures were at the time of testing. It is equally probable that the test was done at 12 degrees for the aston and 28 degrees for the porsche, and not the other way around as you automatically suggest. All we have are the lap times so let us stick to hard facts.
Yes we do know the temperatures at nurburgring the day of the test, that is all recorded. 12*C for the 997S and 28*C for the AMV8.Quote:
birdness said:
Point #2; You cannot put semi-slick tires on a 997S as per the 911 instruction manual because, unlike the Aston, it does not have a dry sump lubrication system and you might get oil starvation effects on the engine with the high G forces that semi-slick tires would generate in cornering.Hence, semi-slicks are not an option for the 997S
No. The 997S can use semi-slicks tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, Pirelli PZero Coras, etc), they are no problem for the lubrication on the 997S.
What it can't use is slick tires, if you want that you get te GT3, similarly priced to the Aston and yet much much more approppiate to use slick tires than the Aston. And even though the Aston has a dry sump, the chasis and suspensions are not designed to cope with them, nor is it a car designed for the track use, the only place you can use slick tires. SO the dry sump on an Aston is of no advantage over the 997S, they can both use semislick yet the 997S can cope with the track better or with gripier tires.Quote:
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point 3: The Aston is not supercharged, at least not yet
My apologies, you are absolutely right, I don't know how I wrote thatQuote:
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point 4: The 997S got a time on the "ring of 8:05 with the advantage of the sports suspension package AND carbon ceramic brakes, which the Aston does not have.
The Sport Suspension is STANDARD equipment on the 997S so its no advantage.
The PCCB brajes aren't but they won't make much difference, the suspension and the tires do.Quote:
birdness said:
In spite of all of the above, I would still get the Aston simply on the basis that it is stunningly beautiful and incredibly rare. Just driving it would be an event each and every day!!!
Thats your choice and its perfecly respectable, and no one is denying the beauty of the AMV8
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the 997S is "better", that depends on what you are looking for, the 997S is more the sportcar of the two and the AMV8 is more the looker and more exclusive. The AMV8 can be better for you and the 997S better for me at the same time. So congrats on your order and enjoy it!