Dec 18, 2005 12:19:21 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: Ringtime of the F430
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svtrader1 said:
For example: When Sport Auto tested the Murci, they clocked a lap of 7:50 sec. Compare that to Autocars time of 7:43 sec. And you have to ask yourself why such a difference?
I suppose you pulled that one out of an anonimous list you stumbled upon and you don't know the driver, the tires or even the legnth of the Ring used (yes, there are different legnths depending on the day, event, or use) for that lap time, right?
That goes to show you that information can't be a dangerous tool if not complete or not handled appropiately.
Saurma's lap times are done on the exact same lenght, tires used are listed, enviromental conditions, same driver, etc, etc, etc. Its the BEST reference of Ring performance for the varoius cars wethere you like it or not. Like I said, don't kill the messenger all of a sudden, kill the Ferrari engineers if you don't like the result.
Give me a break! It was the same track length, same car, same tires etc. Just different driver and different magazine. http://www.racingsouthwest.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t16612.html
Another round of Kool Aid?
I already knew were you got that lap time, as we say here "I don't sow without a thread". So thats exactly what I was talking about, that list is a miss match of gathered "reported" ring times here and there, unconfirmed, and confirmed, with or without data on driver, track lenght, tires, private or maker, closed track or open track guesstimating time difrenetial due to time loss on overtakes, BTG or full lap, etc. There are lap times there of cars with slicks that is not mentioned they used them, there are lap times with diferent lenght in there.
For example, when you lap the ring when its open to public, you have to come in in every lap before you can comeout again, and were you come in is not the same place were you come out, hence when you do a lap when its open to public you are skipping the Dottinger Hohe straight which in the case of the Murc for example would account for about 15 seconds. 7:43 + 15 seconds = 7:58 full lap.
Saurma does always full laps. No BTG lap times, which is the scenario I explained above. Some magazines use BTG times, hint, hint...take a look at the other Autocar lap times posted, do they look a little strange? optimistic maybe?
Ring times can be very usefull when you know how to interpret them but unfortaunately they can be very misinformative for those that don't
You still want more N'ring Kool aid?
.. Not only do you need to improve your knowledge in performance cars, but you also need to read more about world geography. I suggest you subscribe to National Geographic along with your subscriptions to Car & Driver, Road & Track, and Ferrari & Small Pen!s. 
Very creative to say the least. 
