Dec 16, 2005 8:06:49 PM
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turbolite said:
There are two data which clearly show how disappointing the N-times for the 430 are:
1.the 996tt did 7.56 with no smg, no Carbon disks and no corsa tires. and this five years ago!!!
2. the gallardo does 7.52 without carbon brakes and corsa tires, meaning he would probably be at 10 seconds faster if he had that.
conclusio: the F430 gets creamed by his NEW and OLD competitor. not even talking z06 or 997tt...
beuatiful car with great sound, but definitely more smoke than fire. not my kind of thing
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Ziggy said:
Do you guys think that this disappointing lap time is partly due to the fact that Ferrari doesn't develope his car on the Nürbürgring, unlike most other sport cars manufacturer?
No. I think it has lots to do with the cold weather.
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Fanch said:
That's not bad at all actually.
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JimFlat6 said:
RC, you said "Bad Ass" Turbo.
You mean that literally about its rear bumper?
I have no doubt that the 997VTG, at whatever number of hp they claim, will be totally unlike any previous Turbo's performance. The VTG will give the little flat 6 the THRUST of a 7 liter V8 from low rpms up to its redline. Thats why the new Turbo 997 will be DIABOLICALLY quick!
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Fanch said:
That's not bad at all actually.
Oh boy, Nick...get ready.
It is actually not a bad time but a very bad time.
The F430 superduper Ferrari with Ceramic brakes is only 1 (one!!!) second faster than the five year old 996 Turbo.
And it gets better: the 996 Turbo achieved the 7:56 time with street tires, the tested F430 had semi-slicks (Pirelli Corsa tires).
And wait, it gets even better: the F430 with ceramic brake weights around 20 kg more than the 997 Carrera S with PCCB.
And guess what, even the Cayman S beats the F430 in the 18 m slalom handling test.
Oh boy, I love that. I have even more:
From 200 kph to 0 (125 mph to 0), the 997 Carrera S with PCCB comes around 8 meters earlier to a stop compared to the F430 with ceramic brakes. 8 meters, almost two car lengths.
Wait, wait...the 997 Carrera S has achieved one of the best wet handling test figures, guess where the F430 stands with semi-slicks.
So what we have here? A beautiful piece of car, almost art. A real chick magnet and probably the most desireable toy for many men around the world. But similar to beautiful women, beauty isn't always everything. What you actually get is the best Ferrari sportscar ever for this kind of money but unfortunately at the same time not the track stud everybody was thinking of.
Don't worry, Nick. I know you knew that before (judging by your confirming posts on the 997 Board). But now guess what happens with the upcoming 997 Turbo... BAD ASS Turbo, dude...oh boy.
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JimFlat6 said:
RC, you said "Bad Ass" Turbo.
You mean that literally about its rear bumper?
I have no doubt that the 997VTG, at whatever number of hp they claim, will be totally unlike any previous Turbo's performance. The VTG will give the little flat 6 the THRUST of a 7 liter V8 from low rpms up to its redline. Thats why the new Turbo 997 will be DIABOLICALLY quick!
yeah, but not just a little bit faster than a 430, but alot freakin' faster .
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Fanch said:
That's not bad at all actually.
Oh boy, Nick...get ready.
It is actually not a bad time but a very bad time.
The F430 superduper Ferrari with Ceramic brakes is only 1 (one!!!) second faster than the five year old 996 Turbo.
And it gets better: the 996 Turbo achieved the 7:56 time with street tires, the tested F430 had semi-slicks (Pirelli Corsa tires).
And wait, it gets even better: the F430 with ceramic brake weights around 20 kg more than the 997 Carrera S with PCCB.
And guess what, even the Cayman S beats the F430 in the 18 m slalom handling test.
Oh boy, I love that. I have even more:
From 200 kph to 0 (125 mph to 0), the 997 Carrera S with PCCB comes around 8 meters earlier to a stop compared to the F430 with ceramic brakes. 8 meters, almost two car lengths.
Wait, wait...the 997 Carrera S has achieved one of the best wet handling test figures, guess where the F430 stands with semi-slicks.
So what we have here? A beautiful piece of car, almost art. A real chick magnet and probably the most desireable toy for many men around the world. But similar to beautiful women, beauty isn't always everything. What you actually get is the best Ferrari sportscar ever for this kind of money but unfortunately at the same time not the track stud everybody was thinking of.
Don't worry, Nick. I know you knew that before (judging by your confirming posts on the 997 Board). But now guess what happens with the upcoming 997 Turbo... BAD ASS Turbo, dude...oh boy.
I agree the 430 is a dog. He could not compete with the Cayman or the base 997. And as for the 997 Turbo forget about! It will lap the 430 on the Ring.
Porsche owners should display your numbers on your windshield and tell the world "I know this car is ugly and archaic in style but it has a better time around the Ring than a Ferrari. Do not believe any Ring time which better Porsche times. They are inaccurate." ."
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
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birdness said:
Does anyone know how many seconds faster a given car would be around the ring with ceramic brakes as opposed to standard brakes?
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birdness said:
Does anyone know how many seconds faster a given car would be around the ring with ceramic brakes as opposed to standard brakes?
It makes very minimal difference, until you run many laps and the steel brakes begin to fade. Stopping times are the same otherwise. There is a small handling advantage with the carbon brakes (reduced unsprung mass).
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
If you were looking for a track car, I would suggest something more extreme, like a Radical or Ultima.
The 'Ring is definitely Porsche territory. I would be very interested to see what kind of lap times Porsches could put down at Fiorano.
Dec 17, 2005 11:54:43 AM
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
If you were looking for a track car, I would suggest something more extreme, like a Radical or Ultima.
The 'Ring is definitely Porsche territory. I would be very interested to see what kind of lap times Porsches could put down at Fiorano.
They compared the Porsche 959 and Ferrari f40 around Fiorano, Porsche 959 1:37 Ferrari f40 1:29.6. Over 7 seconds is an absolute thrashing.
Does anyone have the times to these cars on the ring?
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svtrader1 said:
Sport Auto is a joke. Horse von Saurma is a Porsche puppet. With him behind the wheels of 997tt it would clock a 'Ring time of 7:45 sec. And the Z06 would see 7:57sec. Ring time is nonsense and meaning less.
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
Wow, this statement alone shows how much you know about track cars.
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nberry said:
Ha, the Z06 did the Ring in 7:42. ... I suspect even on this pro Porsche board, if they were handed two sets of keys one to the 430 and another to the 997 TT and they could keep one, the majority would pick the 430. Case closed!
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nberry said:I suspect even on this pro Porsche board, if they were handed two sets of keys one to the 430 and another to the 997 TT and they could keep one, the majority would pick the 430. Case closed!
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dhayek said:
guys IMO i agree that the ring time is disapointing ,and i said it in my previous post , but not to the extent to bash the 430 ,it is a great car ,apart from its beauty,that doesnt seem to be the point,the car goes to 100kph in 4 seconds to 200 in 12.5 seconds,and has a standstill kilometer of 21.6 that is +-1.5 second faster than a 996tt. it has a poor time on the ring ,yes definetly. if someone has a lot of track activity and cares about some seconds on a 21 km track,yes,you would better get a porsche ,but some posts want to make you believe that a carrera is faster, come on ! imagine a 430 between two red light or on a highway ,do you believe many cars could stay close to it? i doubt..
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
Wow, this statement alone shows how much you know about track cars.
Ha, the Z06 did the Ring in 7:42. Yes, it was set up for the Ring but aren't all Porsche's designed for the Ring?
Dec 17, 2005 6:54:28 PM
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nberry said:
BTW if I wanted a track car I would buy a couple of Z06's and still have money left over to buy a Boxster for the money I would spend on a 997 TT.
Wow, this statement alone shows how much you know about track cars.
Ha, the Z06 did the Ring in 7:42. Yes, it was set up for the Ring but aren't all Porsche's designed for the Ring?
The Radical is designed for the Ring and it will leave your CGT so far behind that it would not bother finishing.
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nberry said:
The Radical is designed for the Ring and it will leave your CGT so far behind that it would not bother finishing.