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JimFlat6 said:

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VKSF said:

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JimFlat6 said:
Gallardo sales have been increasing. The 2006 with another 20 hp and revised gear ratios is a much improved and faster car. Amazingly they even offer a "winter package" with extra wheels and winter tires! At least they intend for owners to use their cars. The Gallardo is fast becoming the anti boutique exotic car and is building its own legion of followers bored with Ferrari and its social stigmata. Its not easy for Lambo to climb up from nothing in the 200K price range, but they have done it.

The SL55 is Obsolete, Yesterdays News. The SL63 is coming! Porsche would be incompetent to not have a car ready to deal with new models from competitors. If indeed the SL55 two door rocket couch was ever real competition anyway! Who buys those SL's? The comfort crowd, its not a sports car, its a car for old ladies to drive in Palm Springs and Boca Raton.

Porsche's Turbo mission should be to lead in ALL performance categories. It should be a ruthless performer with brutal
accelleration, braking and handling. It should make Ferrari
owners cringe and Corvette Z06 owners realize they need to spend double to get a real sports car.

And if anyone working at Weissach reads this, just what the heck have you been doing with that Black C6 Corvette coupe you have there? Is that one of the Mallet 427 conversions
that was shipped to Germany this summer

Gallardo sales have been "increasing" from what to what???? What are G-car sales vs original projecs??? Numbers please.....and what are G-car resale values vs 430/996TTS/SL55???? And how many of these allegedly obsolete and out-of-favor cars from F/P/Merc were sold into US mkt YTD vs G-car??

Have you actually ever driven 996TTS/430/Gallardo/SL55 in the twisties to draw your conclusions....or do you just bench-race them????

Seriously, doing yourself a disfavor to not drive these cars yourself (at least 50-100 mi each) to draw rational conclusions as opposed to regurgitating crap that car rags write (guys whose paychecks are written by car cos. in the form of ads)...and what guys post on the net (based on what their brother-in-law's pal says and what they read in a car rag).....

Its pure unidulterated crap to say that the SL55 is a sports car in the same vein as a 996TT, F430 or a Lamborghini Gallardo. Its not, it never has been and was never designed to be, except for the SL300 of the fifties.

As for Lamborghinis sales figures, they only point to success.

2002 : 424 units - No Gallardos.
2003 : 1,357 units - including 933 Gallardos
2004 : 1,592 units - including 1126 Gallardos
2005 : 1,592 units - estimated to be same as 2004 due to Factory imposed limit of production chosen by Stephan Winkelmann, the head of Lamborghini S.p.A. Those figures are from Automobili Lamborghini and Audi sales reports.

The 2006 Gallardo is a much improved car over previous MY
Gallardos.

YOU should go drive one back to back with a Palm Springs SL,
and its YOU who can now un twisty yourself for implying that Gallardo sales had not been a success.Lamborghini
Gallardo sales did really well considering the size of its dealer network.

Resale? Its pretty damn good for a exotic. Is its resale as good as a F430? No. Is it as good as a 996TT, pretty damn close.

Cheers!

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JimFlat6 said:
Evo got some pretty good numbers for the 06 and so did Top Gear for the 05. Evo is usually accurate, Top Gear is pure entertainment and Sport Auto is usully dead serious. I wont speculate about Sport Auto's test results.

All in all its a solid, fast four wheel drive mid engine sports car. Just how many choices are there in the mid engine four wheel drive sports car market? 3?

heres a link to a F430/Gallardo test,
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22750-1878325,00.html

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TB993tt said:
Very passionate post RC, and one which most on here can relate to. The problem is, as has already been cited here:

95% of 997 turbo customers are not like US on here - I know maybe 10 people who will definately have the first 997tts to come in the UK - they have very little idea about the passion of Porsche enthusiasts, they just want the top of the current Porsche range - they wouldn't care if it was based on the 3.8S block or the 964/GT1 block. 520hp is IMO too much for the 997tt bearing these 95% of customers - remember the shape of the power curve (especially with these new turbos) is going to be unlike any competitors and if it has 520 max hp, it will likely have 500 from 4000rpm - it will be too quick for the 95%.
For the enthusiasts, there are the Tuners (or the X50 kit) and the tuners WILL have a field day with this new platform. I think particulary since the 993tt, the tuned offerings have really benefitted Porsche's image -

Fastest Production car round the ring - Edo Porsche , fastest racer round the ring, Alzen Porsche - Tuner GP winner, Cargraphic Porsche.

No you'll get 480/90 hp and enthusiasts will have THE BEST platform to create the monster they desire.

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Crash said:

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TB993tt said:
Very passionate post RC, and one which most on here can relate to. The problem is, as has already been cited here:

95% of 997 turbo customers are not like US on here - I know maybe 10 people who will definately have the first 997tts to come in the UK - they have very little idea about the passion of Porsche enthusiasts, they just want the top of the current Porsche range - they wouldn't care if it was based on the 3.8S block or the 964/GT1 block. 520hp is IMO too much for the 997tt bearing these 95% of customers - remember the shape of the power curve (especially with these new turbos) is going to be unlike any competitors and if it has 520 max hp, it will likely have 500 from 4000rpm - it will be too quick for the 95%.
For the enthusiasts, there are the Tuners (or the X50 kit) and the tuners WILL have a field day with this new platform. I think particulary since the 993tt, the tuned offerings have really benefitted Porsche's image -

Fastest Production car round the ring - Edo Porsche , fastest racer round the ring, Alzen Porsche - Tuner GP winner, Cargraphic Porsche.

No you'll get 480/90 hp and enthusiasts will have THE BEST platform to create the monster they desire.

A very well thought out post, I must say. The tuners will probably have less business with the 997TT than they had with the 996. A TTS with the powerkit will probably be faster than a Ruf 550.

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TB993tt said:

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Crash said:

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TB993tt said:
Very passionate post RC, and one which most on here can relate to. The problem is, as has already been cited here:

95% of 997 turbo customers are not like US on here - I know maybe 10 people who will definately have the first 997tts to come in the UK - they have very little idea about the passion of Porsche enthusiasts, they just want the top of the current Porsche range - they wouldn't care if it was based on the 3.8S block or the 964/GT1 block. 520hp is IMO too much for the 997tt bearing these 95% of customers - remember the shape of the power curve (especially with these new turbos) is going to be unlike any competitors and if it has 520 max hp, it will likely have 500 from 4000rpm - it will be too quick for the 95%.
For the enthusiasts, there are the Tuners (or the X50 kit) and the tuners WILL have a field day with this new platform. I think particulary since the 993tt, the tuned offerings have really benefitted Porsche's image -

Fastest Production car round the ring - Edo Porsche , fastest racer round the ring, Alzen Porsche - Tuner GP winner, Cargraphic Porsche.

No you'll get 480/90 hp and enthusiasts will have THE BEST platform to create the monster they desire.

A very well thought out post, I must say. The tuners will probably have less business with the 997TT than they had with the 996. A TTS with the powerkit will probably be faster than a Ruf 550.

Not sure if you are being sincere or sarcastic here - if sarcastic and you think the 997tt will not be tuned, think again, the Variable vane turbos will bring a whole new dimension to the tunability - to those tuners who can.

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jesse said:
RC thanks for your view, which I respect. As this is one of my first posts, I don't want to be too harsh, but you have certainly forgot a main aspect in our current automotive industry and that's simply environment friendliness.
So please Porsche: Don't bore us with the next step in the power war like other manufactures. Rather show us how to build sophisticated sport cars with low fuel consuption. Personally I don't care if a Z06 will outrun a 997 Turbo as this is the wrong guidline.
I hope Porsche will listen more to environment aspects in the future!

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JimFlat6 said:
The 997 Turbo will probably weigh 400-500 lbs more than a Z06
and have less power, so adjust your shopping plans.

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VKSF said:

Yeah, someone a few posts back got everyone fixated on the essentially worthless 0-60MPH comparo of 996TTS vs 993TTS....

IMO, the two most relevant performance comparo metrics are N-ring times and driving feel of car on one's favorite set of twisties (prob largely in the 40-80MPH range)......

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TB993tt said:
Very passionate post RC, and one which most on here can relate to. The problem is, as has already been cited here:

95% of 997 turbo customers are not like US on here - I know maybe 10 people who will definately have the first 997tts to come in the UK - they have very little idea about the passion of Porsche enthusiasts, they just want the top of the current Porsche range - they wouldn't care if it was based on the 3.8S block or the 964/GT1 block. 520hp is IMO too much for the 997tt bearing these 95% of customers - remember the shape of the power curve (especially with these new turbos) is going to be unlike any competitors and if it has 520 max hp, it will likely have 500 from 4000rpm - it will be too quick for the 95%.
For the enthusiasts, there are the Tuners (or the X50 kit) and the tuners WILL have a field day with this new platform. I think particulary since the 993tt, the tuned offerings have really benefitted Porsche's image -

Fastest Production car round the ring - Edo Porsche , fastest racer round the ring, Alzen Porsche - Tuner GP winner, Cargraphic Porsche.

No you'll get 480/90 hp and enthusiasts will have THE BEST platform to create the monster they desire.

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jesse said:
RC thanks for your view, which I respect. As this is one of my first posts, I don't want to be too harsh, but you have certainly forgot a main aspect in our current automotive industry and that's simply environment friendliness.
So please Porsche: Don't bore us with the next step in the power war like other manufactures. Rather show us how to build sophisticated sport cars with low fuel consuption. Personally I don't care if a Z06 will outrun a 997 Turbo as this is the wrong guidline.
I hope Porsche will listen more to environment aspects in the future!

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jesse said:
RC thanks for your view, which I respect. As this is one of my first posts, I don't want to be too harsh, but you have certainly forgot a main aspect in our current automotive industry and that's simply environment friendliness.
So please Porsche: Don't bore us with the next step in the power war like other manufactures. Rather show us how to build sophisticated sport cars with low fuel consuption. Personally I don't care if a Z06 will outrun a 997 Turbo as this is the wrong guidline.
I hope Porsche will listen more to environment aspects in the future!

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JimFlat6 said:
The 997 Turbo will probably weigh 400-500 lbs more than a Z06
and have less power, so adjust your shopping plans.

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Al Pettee said:

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jesse said:
RC thanks for your view, which I respect. As this is one of my first posts, I don't want to be too harsh, but you have certainly forgot a main aspect in our current automotive industry and that's simply environment friendliness.
So please Porsche: Don't bore us with the next step in the power war like other manufactures. Rather show us how to build sophisticated sport cars with low fuel consuption. Personally I don't care if a Z06 will outrun a 997 Turbo as this is the wrong guidline.
I hope Porsche will listen more to environment aspects in the future!

If you really believe the internal combustion engine "damages" the environment (I vowed not to debate the theory of global warming on this forum), then don't drive any car again-even with very low fuel consumption. Rather, get a bicycle-like they used to do in China-now being traded in over there for the automobile. Besides, the impetus for human beings to stop burning fossil fuels for power for transportation will be the market-when a barrel of oil gets consistently > $100.00USD, the extra incentive to develop-and buy-vehicles that don't use gasoline will change producer and consumer behavior, not a political force.

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jesse said:
RC thanks for your view, which I respect. As this is one of my first posts, I don't want to be too harsh, but you have certainly forgot a main aspect in our current automotive industry and that's simply environment friendliness.
So please Porsche: Don't bore us with the next step in the power war like other manufactures. Rather show us how to build sophisticated sport cars with low fuel consuption. Personally I don't care if a Z06 will outrun a 997 Turbo as this is the wrong guidline.
I hope Porsche will listen more to environment aspects in the future!

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chuck said:
With the poor quality issues (Bad paint and Bondo in my new car) and bad service I'm getting from PCNA the 997tt will have to break the 500hp window for me to even look at another new P car.

I'm shopping for a Mint 993 Turbo just so I can have one of the cars that Porsche used to be known for.

As they say in Texas .. "They need to dance with the one's that brung um"

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boytronic said:
Perhaps if we get some official shareholders on here Porsche will listen?

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Rami said:
I just heard that the cab will NOT be available at the same time as the coupe. Most probably around September 2006 or perhaps even later

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RC said:
But I also doubt the introduction at the same time since it seems that 997 Turbo Coupe (pre-)orders already seem to be going very well.

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But I also doubt the introduction at the same time since it seems that 997 Turbo Coupe (pre-)orders already seem to be going very well.

Well, to all that pre-ordered a 997TT coupe: plz cancel your order and get a cab in stead! That way they just MIGHT present the cab at the same time

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Rami said:
I just heard that the cab will NOT be available at the same time as the coupe. Most probably around September 2006 or perhaps even later

Well, September 2006 would be at the same time since most customers worldwide won't even see a Coupe showcar before Sept. But I also doubt the introduction at the same time since it seems that 997 Turbo Coupe (pre-)orders already seem to be going very well.