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Nov 17, 2005 2:44:56 PM

lavaman23: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 81, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2004

Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

Having delayed getting a 996 TT after I sold my M3 last year, I have recently entertained the thought of getting into a late 996 GT3 MK2 as prices in the UK have dropped to the same price as a similar age 996 C4S which is incredible.

The imminent arrival of the 997 GT3 however, has complicated things as I'm now tempted to wait for that instead.

The devil on my left shoulder is shouting 997 GT3

and the little angel is softly wispering 996 GT3 is all you ever need

I already put a deposit down for a 997 C2S but cancelled after a demo drive. As the 997 GT3 is rumoured to put out 425bhp which is not that much more than the 996, plus given it's bound to be heavier so the advantage might not be that great. Then again, given Porsches track record of improving with each evlolution I'm sure the 997 GT3 will be a bit of a beast. What do you guys think??

Also have a few questions if someone can kindly answer:

1. Will the 997 GT3 be equipped with PSM?
2. How much more do you estimate the 997 GT3 will cost in the UK?
3. Estimated delivery times given I haven't ordered one yet, I would only order after a testdrive

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Nov 17, 2005 3:03:26 PM

bostonmini: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 924, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2003; Reply to: lavaman23

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

youll do fine with a 996 I bet, and the manthey powerkit will put u @ the same power level anyway, if 25ish HP means that much to u.

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Nov 17, 2005 3:12:31 PM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: bostonmini

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

well the 996 GT3 ran a 7:54 around the 'Ring & the 997S with performance chassis ran a 7:59. So i'd be willing to bet that the 997 GT3 will be noticably faster

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Nov 17, 2005 4:09:14 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: lavaman23

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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lavaman23 said:
1. Will the 997 GT3 be equipped with PSM?
2. How much more do you estimate the 997 GT3 will cost in the UK?
3. Estimated delivery times given I haven't ordered one yet, I would only order after a testdrive

1. rumors indicate that the 997 GT3 will be equipped with a very special PSM version which also can be turned off completely.
2. overall price increase for a base car is rumored at around 5-8%
3. delivery times depend on dealers, first cars are rumored to be available in Germany around march or april 2006. UK models may be available a few months later. I'd suggest to pre-order a car now at your local dealer because when the press release comes out, well...

Also make sure you REALLY get the first car because dealers tend to give away their first cars to good customers.

Much faster than the 996 GT3? I have rumors only.
Rumored power is 415 HP. Rumored performance figures are in the 996 Turbo S range, meaning 0-100 mph in around 9 seconds, 0-125 mph in around 13 seconds. Top speed is rumored at around 311 kph. I once had the chance to throw a short look at a prototype, the speedo was showing 350 kph instead of the 330 kph on the current 997 models.

The 996 GT3 MkII is a great and very fast car, no doubt about it. If you can get a new one at a very convenient price, get it. But keep in mind that it has no PSM and also keep in mind that taking in consideration the great development achievement from the 996 Carrera to the 997 Carrera (talking about steering, suspension setups), the 997 GT3 will without any doubt be by far superior to the 996 GT3 MkII regarding handling and of course straight line performance too.

Unfortunatley nobody really has the final specs for the 997 GT3 yet.

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Nov 17, 2005 4:16:49 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

RC - Do you think the GT3 will include the new variable-ratio steering rack? There was some talk earlier that it might keep the old constant-ratio 996 rack. Having lived with your 997S for awhile now, do you think there is any downside to the new rack?

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Nov 17, 2005 4:18:44 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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Grant said:
RC - Do you think the GT3 will include the new variable-ratio steering rack? There was some talk earlier that it might keep the old constant-ratio 996 rack. Having lived with your 997S for awhile now, do you think there is any downside to the new rack?

Honestly, I don't know. Downside of the new rack? Well, it needs some "adjustment" time.

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Nov 17, 2005 4:34:47 PM

lavaman23: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 81, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

Thanks for the info RC. I certainly hope Porsche keep the GT3 as raw as possible. I used to own an S2 Elise 111S which had one of the best steering and involving drives.

The E46 M3 which I sold last year was missing the Lotus' rawness and I'm looking for a car which can deliver crushing speeds aswell as offering the same rawness/handling/feel/agility as the Elise with much more power & grunt than the M3.

There's no reason why the 997 GT3 shouldn't gain PSM as it would be switchable (provided it won't activate itself in emergency situations which kill the fun on track).

There are hordes of 1 year old MK2 GT3s with under 10k miles for under 60k gbp which is a 20k+ saving over MRSP especially if equipped with PCCB (although I might be reluctant to go for one as it's costly to replace compared to steel discs).

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Nov 17, 2005 4:38:22 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: lavaman23

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

Caution: the 996 GT3 MkII still has the "older" PCCB generation which isn't quite the right thing to have for track racing. The 997 GT3 is rumored to get a new PCCB brake system with 380 mm front discs, based on the current 997 PCCB brake.

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Nov 17, 2005 5:04:11 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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RC said:

Unfortunatley nobody really has the final specs for the 997 GT3 yet.

ciaoo

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Nov 17, 2005 8:34:08 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

Well, ALMOST nobody of course.

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Nov 17, 2005 9:10:09 PM

FixedWing: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 870, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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RC said:
Caution: the 996 GT3 MkII still has the "older" PCCB generation which isn't quite the right thing to have for track racing. The 997 GT3 is rumored to get a new PCCB brake system with 380 mm front discs, based on the current 997 PCCB brake.

Christian, would you personally option a 997 GT3 with the PCCB's? And indeed, are you considering a GT3 in your future at all?

Stephen

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Nov 17, 2005 10:56:23 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: FixedWing

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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FixedWing said:
Christian, would you personally option a 997 GT3 with the PCCB's? And indeed, are you considering a GT3 in your future at all?

Stephen

Stephen, I think you were right. Rennteam is growing too much, you seem to have missed some of my previous posts.

Yes, right now I'm considering a 997 GT3 and a 997 Turbo. Before our VTG rumor was confirmed, I was pretty much inclined to go for a GT3. Now with the confirmed VTG rumor, I'm more leaned towards a 997 Turbo.
May I explain: since I need to lease the car for my company, I have to take a five year lease. Minimum. So I asked myself which car would keep me happy for at least five years. The GT3 is a fine car, no doubt about it. But I don't think I'll have much track time in my future, I'm happy if I can spend quality time with the kids right now, not to speak about my wife. So the Turbo makes more sense and the more power it gets, the more I can convince myself to get one.

And of course I have the option of retrofitting a possible powerkit or just doing a "mild" ECU upgrade from a "reliable" source.

As soon as the GT3 and Turbo specs are available, I'll take my final decision but I think you guys should be prepared for one of the first Turbos on this forum. Hopefully.

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Nov 18, 2005 1:37:37 AM

FixedWing: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 870, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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RC said:
Stephen, I think you were right. Rennteam is growing too much, you seem to have missed some of my previous posts.

Yes, right now I'm considering a 997 GT3 and a 997 Turbo. Before our VTG rumor was confirmed, I was pretty much inclined to go for a GT3. Now with the confirmed VTG rumor, I'm more leaned towards a 997 Turbo.
May I explain: since I need to lease the car for my company, I have to take a five year lease. Minimum. So I asked myself which car would keep me happy for at least five years. The GT3 is a fine car, no doubt about it. But I don't think I'll have much track time in my future, I'm happy if I can spend quality time with the kids right now, not to speak about my wife. So the Turbo makes more sense and the more power it gets, the more I can convince myself to get one. And of course I have the option of retrofitting a possible powerkit or just doing a "mild" ECU upgrade from a "reliable" source.

As soon as the GT3 and Turbo specs are available, I'll take my final decision but I think you guys should be prepared for one of the first Turbos on this forum. Hopefully.

Christian, I think you are right. I have missed too many posts. For a period I was not following Rennteam regularly but now I am trying to. Even so, I miss things. I am not sure why but I think it is because of the way the board is divided into so many different categories yet, I think, most of the Porschephiles here all share a general interest in the same sorts of Porsche. Anyway, our posts all seem to get spread about and it is easy to miss something.

If you are interested in my views, I think you should go for the Turbo. I think it is a more useful vehicle for you and the environment you will mostly use it in. I think you've proved that with your love of the current 997S. The GT3 is a very specialised machine and I'm not sure how much time you really want to spend on the track. Turbos are ideal for making large amounts of cheap power and we both know that if you get one, it will make large amounts of power and likely be improved in a number of other ways.

But ultimately, I would suggest that you still miss the 996 Turbo the most and that is the one car you really regret selling. That should tell you which car to get.

Stephen

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Nov 18, 2005 2:00:58 AM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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RC said:
....but I think you guys should be prepared for one of the first Turbos on this forum. Hopefully.

Christian, how did you know I was getting the first one?

Can't wait for your review though.

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Nov 18, 2005 2:55:20 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: lavaman23

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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lavaman23 said:
I'm sure the 997 GT3 will be a bit of a beast. What do you guys think??

Yes.

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Nov 18, 2005 3:54:14 AM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Turbo Al

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Al Pettee said:
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lavaman23 said:
I'm sure the 997 GT3 will be a bit of a beast. What do you guys think??

Yes.

Al,
This bad boy will, for sure, be one hell of a car

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Nov 18, 2005 9:47:03 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

as for me i think i'll be in line for the gt3 ,coz i dont want 4wd,it kills the fun ,with the numbers rc gave us the gt3 seems a hell of a car... any news if the gt3 will be available with dsg????

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Nov 18, 2005 11:54:26 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

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dhayek said:
as for me i think i'll be in line for the gt3 ,coz i dont want 4wd,it kills the fun ,with the numbers rc gave us the gt3 seems a hell of a car... any news if the gt3 will be available with dsg????

The "updated rumour" (courtesy of Sergini) I think said not in the first year.

I still await the 997TT-with 6 speed manual, please.

But as Ron says, that GT3 will be a hell of a car for you tracksters.

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Nov 20, 2005 9:51:17 AM

03-turbo911: Pilot; Loc: Bahrain; Posts: 337, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2004; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

Anyone know for certain if the new GT3 would be based on the widebody version as per the previous picture? Right now I took my name of the turbo list and, presently, I'm number one for the GT3.

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Nov 20, 2005 11:48:27 AM

Dilip: Newbie; Loc: Dubai,UAE; Posts: 28, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2005; Reply to: 03-turbo911

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turbo 911 i wldnt take myself off the list if i was u. It wld be better to wait and see the performance figures.
anyways here are a couple of extra spy pics

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Nov 20, 2005 11:49:27 AM

Dilip: Newbie; Loc: Dubai,UAE; Posts: 28, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2005; Reply to: Dilip

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another..

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Nov 20, 2005 12:03:31 PM

ElTonioni: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 79, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 30, 2005; Reply to: Dilip

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Well that's definately widebody! It's one mean looking little bugger.

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Nov 20, 2005 4:38:30 PM

Fiorano7: Newbie; Loc: Virginia; Posts: 13, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 3, 2005; Reply to: ElTonioni

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The black GT3 is a widebody. I am pretty sure the blue one is a narrowbody. Only the widebody cars seem to have the lower rocker panel extensions, as seen only on the black car. Since the black car is the latest spy pics on the GT3 that I know of, I am guessing the final version will be a widebody.

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Nov 20, 2005 5:45:05 PM

U Boat Commander: Veteran; Loc: Los Angeles, CA; Posts: 1250, Gallery; Registered on: May 8, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Will the 997 GT3 be that much faster than the 996 GT3?

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RC said:
And of course I have the option of retrofitting a possible powerkit or just doing a "mild" ECU upgrade from a "reliable" source.

RC: I haven't seen any discussion on the board on this topic. I've had a few questions on this topic:

1. Who makes a "reliable" ECU upgrade?

2. How much additional power (HP) does a good ECU upgrade provide?

3. What must one do with the ECU upgrade if you need to service your car under warranty? Do you remove the chip and replace it with your old chip? Is this easy/convenient to do? Can my dealer's computers tell that I chiped my car?

4. In general, what are the downsides to chipping the car other than the possibility of blowing your warranty?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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Nov 20, 2005 8:26:57 PM

03-turbo911: Pilot; Loc: Bahrain; Posts: 337, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2004; Reply to: U Boat Commander

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Dilip, thank you for the pictures. As for my decision to go for the GT3, it's as simple as me wanting to change from the 4wheel drive and turbo power to something that's a bit different, racier, and with harder edge to it. The Gt3, hopefully, will fit the bill.

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Nov 20, 2005 10:28:27 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: U Boat Commander

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U Boat Commander said:
1. Who makes a "reliable" ECU upgrade?

2. How much additional power (HP) does a good ECU upgrade provide?

3. What must one do with the ECU upgrade if you need to service your car under warranty? Do you remove the chip and replace it with your old chip? Is this easy/convenient to do? Can my dealer's computers tell that I chiped my car?

4. In general, what are the downsides to chipping the car other than the possibility of blowing your warranty?

I think chipping a new Porsche (except the turbo models) results in minimal improvement (if any) for power, voids the warranty, and may make the car run worse on some fuel and in some environments.

Chips are only useful when used on Turbos and/or combined with a variety of other mods (intake, headers, etc.)

Porsche is very savy about knowing the car has been chipped and this is a good way to lose your warranty. For a GT3 (topic of this thread), it's a very bad idea (expensive to lose your engine warranty).

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Nov 21, 2005 1:09:07 AM

Dilip: Newbie; Loc: Dubai,UAE; Posts: 28, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2005; Reply to: 03-turbo911

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03-turbo911 said:
Dilip, thank you for the pictures. As for my decision to go for the GT3, it's as simple as me wanting to change from the 4wheel drive and turbo power to something that's a bit different, racier, and with harder edge to it. The Gt3, hopefully, will fit the bill.

I guess u want the tad bit of oversteer from the Gt3. Considering u own the turbo S it would make a sensible choice and try something different Like the Gt3.

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Nov 21, 2005 2:13:52 AM

chili: Pilot; Loc: Bay Area - East Bay; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2005; Reply to: U Boat Commander

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RC said:
And of course I have the option of retrofitting a possible powerkit or just doing a "mild" ECU upgrade from a "reliable" source.

RC: I haven't seen any discussion on the board on this topic. I've had a few questions on this topic:

1. Who makes a "reliable" ECU upgrade?

2. How much additional power (HP) does a good ECU upgrade provide?

3. What must one do with the ECU upgrade if you need to service your car under warranty? Do you remove the chip and replace it with your old chip? Is this easy/convenient to do? Can my dealer's computers tell that I chiped my car?

4. In general, what are the downsides to chipping the car other than the possibility of blowing your warranty?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Check out evoms.com. They claim that when you flash your car and combine it with their intake you get +25 hp. I think it should cost around 2 grand combined.

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Nov 21, 2005 2:36:18 AM

frayed: Senior; Loc: Austin, TX , United States; Posts: 510, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2004; Reply to: chili

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I now own a 997S, just traded my GT3, and before that two other 996s. Based on my assesment of the 997, the new GT3 will be utterly badass.

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Nov 21, 2005 2:56:27 AM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: frayed

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frayed said:
I now own a 997S, just traded my GT3, and before that two other 996s. Based on my assesment of the 997, the new GT3 will be utterly badass.

Hey, you finally got your 997S. Congratulations! I remember when you and I were both waiting for the -20mm option for the U.S. that never came.

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