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OCEAN said:
it is like the car has become a Gt .... looking back at the 993 something changed with the 911 , after the 996 change it lost something that we will not get back . I love the 997 but there is something lost now with this car that happened with the evolution and it has kind of become a different car . I think this is why the Ferrari with its 430 has become so popular . As it has changed over the years it has still stayed a raw sports car where the 911 has become something new .......
In this photo of a 993 it looked out of proportion also but something has really changed about the overall impression of the car , kind of like the 997 is more civilized and tame looking than the pre 996 911's
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There's a childseat in the back and a handicap-parking sticker in the windshield
Nov 15, 2005 3:01:45 PM
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mcdelaug said:
I agree that the 997 has more "GT features" when compared to the 993, but it is still a valid sportscar. In fact, from a numbers standpoint the 997 is a more capable vehicle. Those that want a more focused, visceral experience should consider the GT3 IMO.
I kind of like the additional convenience of the garage door opener, rain sensor, etc. Since these things are subtly integrated into the cars function they don't detract from its sportscar persona.
I do have some issues with Porsche however:
1- I think the -20mm suspension should be available in the US; not everyone wants an electronic suspension and choice benefits all customers.
2- Charging extra for factory delivery seems like pure opportunism...IMO this should be encouraged by Porsche, not discouraged.
3- There needs to be more aggressive mid engine cars from Porsche (that don't cost $440K)
But overall I agree with you, certain facets of the 997 are "softer" than two generations ago.
mcdelaug
Nov 15, 2005 3:59:33 PM
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69bossnine said:
The new Ford Mustang does a BRILLIANT job in reflecting its past, while looking thoroughly modern. I believe that the 997 does an equally good job in this respect.
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69bossnine said:
The new Ford Mustang does a BRILLIANT job in reflecting its past, while looking thoroughly modern. I believe that the 997 does an equally good job in this respect.
I dunno about this, there's something up here. I'm wondering about the Mustang. When I first saw the latest reiteration I welcomed it (fond memories of my dad's 1965 (?) 'stang in the driveway). Gradually, and I'm not sure about this, I'm starting to see the new one and "oh, that's OLD looking" thoughts come to my head." Weird. Ford may have messed up. It's too close to the original. Porsche has done it "flawlessly." Just speculating... .
Nov 15, 2005 6:03:03 PM
Nov 15, 2005 7:37:40 PM
Nov 16, 2005 5:03:44 PM
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69bossnine said:
my other significant point is that I think the new Mustang looks just like what the Mustang WOULD and SHOULD look like today, if Ford had simply continued to evolve the original design, instead of completely abandoning it, and then revisiting it 35 years later. THAT'S why you guys think it's so damn retro. It's because Ford had lost their original design theme and roots on that car, so drastically. The act of getting it reigned back in tricks you into thinking "retro", when it's actually 100% EVO,
Nov 17, 2005 5:37:09 AM
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Fred 993C4S said:
As an owner of a 997 and previous owner of a 996 and a 993 I think that the 997 front is the part that is weak in the design, the front just doesn't look muscular and aggressive enough. Look at a pic of a 996 Turbo and the front looks more muscular, the front fenders have a bulge that looks more menacing IMO.
Nov 17, 2005 4:19:27 PM
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Fred 993C4S said:
As an owner of a 997 and previous owner of a 996 and a 993 I think that the 997 front is the part that is weak in the design, the front just doesn't look muscular and aggressive enough. Look at a pic of a 996 Turbo and the front looks more muscular, the front fenders have a bulge that looks more menacing IMO.
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. The front end is just too subdued. When the 997 was first introduced, I thought the front end looked like a new VW Bug: kinda wimpy and girly. Now, I think it also looks somewhat plain and ordinary. I would like to see a more aggresive look.