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    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

    Nick? A heretic? Thats nonsense. He would have to have been a believer to become a heretic, he's more of a provocateur.

    He raises some valid points actually...

    The entire 997 lineup will look very much the same from model to model, even the same colors, no matter what the price difference.

    And prices aren't exactly a good deal if you consider the option prices needed to equip the car to a decent standard.

    Porsches have wonderful performance and yes, you see many previous models still on the road that resemble new ones. Thats both good and also hopelessly boring at times.

    With the exception of the brilliant CGT and the homely (think Frisian islander DNA)Cayenne, Porsche hasnt done anything new in the looks department for almost a decade.

    But neither has Ferrari except for the Enzo Bozo Raptor. Even their new 612 looks generic and bulbous.

    I guess we will have to wait for silver Panamera's and seal grey mini cayennes with dull grey interiors to build some excitement.

    If the EU safety monkeys continue to have their way, car design will be reduced to a inflatable bag with a retractable charging cord and hefty monthly payments.

    This decade might be the last chance to make anything stunningly fresh and new. I wish Porsche would make a move on that before its too late.

    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

    I just love this smiley...
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    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

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    No we are not running out of magazines nberry.
    You are.
    Try reading something of value like anything BUT US rags.
    see EVO, Car and AutoCar.
    But maybe you dont get those mag's from where you are from, which is a surprise from someone as privledged as you to drive AND own drive a 430.



    Why does a 430 owner feel the need to come blabbin to the 997 board everytime he can locate a negative statement about the P? RC, with utmost respect, I would agree his posts aren't all that aggressive but it gets old when they all have the same theme... find a way (or a quote) to slam the 997 and P's in general. Maybe, although he drives a 430, he is secretly envious of P? But just doesn't want to come out of the closet I may just be an 'old hand', but would not be over on the F-board trying in my best condescending manner to talk smack. Spirited discussion is great on any board, but the negative connotations are too easy to see



    OK, Ok I admit it. I have always lusted for a Porsche but there are so damn hard to get my only recourse is to express my frustration with my posts.

    To make you feel better and elevate my credibility, the 996 and the 997 TT is and will be one of the best all around performance cars ever built. It provides performance at the highest level using whatever criteria you choose to use. It is a fabulous automoble. Additionally, with AWD it is safe and very reliable. I truly believe this.

    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's(and in my opinion butt ugly) and frankly boring to drive because of AWD. Now the CGT and engine configuration is another matter.

    Different strokes for different folks.

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    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's



    Let me see: if ALL women on this planet would look like Claudia Schiffer or whatever beautiful woman you prefer, you wouldn't choose one for your wife and marry one with flashy red hair and too much make-up on her face?

    Regarding the AWD: it isn't fun to drive? Interesting claim. Maybe you should join our Rennteam Team in their 996/993 Turbos for a little ride through the Black Forrest or around the Hockenheim Ring. Just a little hint: if you have false teeth, you better put them in a box before you drive with them. I can provide this experience too as soon as I get my boring AWD.

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    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's



    Let me see: if ALL women on this planet would look like Claudia Schiffer or whatever beautiful woman you prefer, you wouldn't choose one for your wife and marry one with flashy red hair and too much make-up on her face?

    Regarding the AWD: it isn't fun to drive? Interesting claim. Maybe you should join our Rennteam Team in their 996/993 Turbos for a little ride through the Black Forrest or around the Hockenheim Ring. Just a little hint: if you have false teeth, you better put them in a box before you drive with them. I can provide this experience too as soon as I get my boring AWD.



    What is the reason for AWD in the TT? Manageable power?

    BTW, do not forget the experience in your S which you posted about. We all our fortunate to be able to own sport cars but it also indicates we have a lot to loose. Most of the time I am a poseur when I drive my car. Thus, beauty, sound, and exclusiviness does matter to me.

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    Most of the time I am a poseur when I drive my car.



    Hey Nick, judging by this and your last post in this thread, it looks like you've ovedosed on the honesty pills today.

    Couldn't that be a liability in your line of work?

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    nick, u are aware that ferrari is looking into AWD riiiight....

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    Lord... I pray everyday that those side vents are fake.



    They're covered, I promise.




    Ron, you are the Lord? I hadn't realised that?



    Thank you fritz




    Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all drive Porsches...

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    The entire 997 lineup will look very much the same from model to model, even the same colors, no matter what the price difference.




    That is actually a very big advantage.

    I do not want to demonstrate to every fool that I am driving a US$ 200k car. I prefer if the less informed only recognize that it as a Porsche. As there are many Porsches driving around that is usually no big issue.

    Few know the truth about the price of the car. And that is a good thing.

    Show-off guys should buy different brands.

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    The entire 997 lineup will look very much the same from model to model, even the same colors, no matter what the price difference.




    That is actually a very big advantage.

    I do not want to demonstrate to every fool that I am driving a US$ 200k car. I prefer if the less informed only recognize that it as a Porsche. As there are many Porsches driving around that is usually no big issue.

    Few know the truth about the price of the car. And that is a good thing.


    Most people think they are all at least a 100K even a 7 year old Boxster. To Joe Average that is so fantasy land to spend on a car that your other 100k doesnt even enter their thinking. So I dont think that your camoflauge theory works out.

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    "What is the reason for AWD in the TT? Manageable power?"

    hey it never rains in Southern California You'll learn to appreciate AWD if you spend a few years in Minnesota Not like I would take that baby out in the salt but you get the idea.

    AWD all-season makes driving in the wet that much better

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    nberry said:
    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's



    Let me see: if ALL women on this planet would look like Claudia Schiffer or whatever beautiful woman you prefer, you wouldn't choose one for your wife and marry one with flashy red hair and too much make-up on her face?



    LOL!!

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    I get the impression that if Porsche cut the price of their cars in half, some of the people on this board would stop driving them. I can't relate to that attitude.

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    nberry said:
    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's



    Let me see: if ALL women on this planet would look like Claudia Schiffer or whatever beautiful woman you prefer, you wouldn't choose one for your wife and marry one with flashy red hair and too much make-up on her face?





    In such a scenario some guys might go for the redhead because they would claim to have an exclusive model rather than the standard one.....

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    In such a scenario some guys might go for the redhead because they would claim to have an exclusive model rather than the standard one.....


    Which one of us wouldn't want to go for a Testa Rossa. As long as it's the Ferrari Testa Rossa, of course.

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    I get the impression that if Porsche cut the price of their cars in half, some of the people on this board would stop driving them. I can't relate to that attitude.



    No, then I would buy a Cab, AND a Coupe or Pepper.

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    nberry said:
    HOWEVER, I would not buy one because it looks like a zillion other Porsche's



    Let me see: if ALL women on this planet would look like Claudia Schiffer or whatever beautiful woman you prefer, you wouldn't choose one for your wife and marry one with flashy red hair and too much make-up on her face?



    LOL!!




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    Lord... I pray everyday that those side vents are fake.



    They're covered, I promise.




    Ron, you are the Lord? I hadn't realised that?



    Thank you fritz




    Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all drive Porsches...



    What? And force yourself to drive a car with an automatic tranny?

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    LowPolarMoment said:
    I get the impression that if Porsche cut the price of their cars in half, some of the people on this board would stop driving them. I can't relate to that attitude.



    If this happens, I would drive six Porsche instead of the current three. How about a special one day offer from Porsche for long time customers: buy one today, get one free.

    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

    A very good example is actually Rolex. A lot of people buy the Rolex Daytona in steel because it has a pretty long waiting time, in some regions up to seven years.
    But the truth is: most of them buy the Rolex Daytona in steel because it is actually the cheapest Daytona model.
    Those who claim that they buy it because it doesn't look too flashy, should go for the Platinum model instead.

    And no, I don't have the steel or the platinum Daytona. I just mentioned it because I had a discussion with a friend lately about this and it reminded me a lot of the "exclusivity" discussion we have here on Rennteam.com.
    It doesn't matter to me if an item is exclusive or not. I buy something because I NEED it, because I WANT it or because I LIKE it. I would NEVER EVER buy something because it is something "exclusive".

    But to be honest: I don't know if a Ferrari F430 would really fall into the "exclusive" department. How many do they want to build? 4000 or even more per year? I don't know, a Lotus Elise or a Caterham would be very likely more exclusive, not to forget the Lamborghini Gallardo or the Murcielago. So is it really about exclusivity what makes Ferrari addicts buy a Ferrari? I doubt it. I think it is the same reason we buy Porsche cars and SOME Ferrari owners may buy one to be young again (and to reduce the consumption of Viagra ) or if they're young, some sort of Viagra for the young without the side effects.

    The reasons I never considered buying a Ferrari are various: I actually liked the Testarossa, the first Ferrari I drove in but at that time, I couldn't afford one. Then, there was the F355, one of my favorite. But Ferrari always had that taste of the forbidden fruit in Germany, not to mention the well known "pimp" reputation. When Ferrari introduced the F360, I was pretty disappointed. I never liked the too feminine shape. The new F430 is indeed a beauty and from a design point of view, perfect. But availability is limited (first cars go to long time customers or to people who are willing to pay a premium), the next dealer is 70 km away from me, official Ferrari dealers are extremely expensive over here (regarding repairs) and reputation isn't too good and of course my neighbors and friends would probably turn their back on me if I would drive a Ferrari, THE symbol of the rich (and sometimes ) beautiful. But again to be honest: I never ever had the desire to own a Ferrari. I like the Lamborghini Gallardo and especially the Murcielago much more and regarding driving fun (not posing fun ), the 997 is worth every cent.

    I'm not a Ferrari basher and I'll never be. I like Ferrari cars and I'm not quite sure why Nick has to bash Porsche all the time. Maybe it is really his "hidden" desire to own one or maybe he just enjoys it to tease and provoke us. But honestly, my time would be too precious to do a similar thing on the Ferrari forum. I think Nick needs two little kids, a working wife and a lot of worries to let go, I'm willing to share some of these with him (of course with the exception of the kids and the wife... ).

    And finally, I would like to point out that there is no 911 in my opinion. There is a 911 Carrera, a 911 GT3, a 911 Turbo and hopefull any time in the future a 911 GT2. And if Nick thinks they all look the same, he should ask somebody who doesn't have a clue about cars what a Ferrari F355, F360 and F430 is. To most people, a Ferrari is a red, flat sportscar. And all look the same. My wife can't tell the difference and other people I know have the same problem. And as if wouldn't be funny enough: if a Ferrari isn't red, a lot of people don't even recognize it to be a Ferrari.

    And finally, I was driving yesterday through the city in my 997 CS. Usually, people are looking, especially young people and yes, I acknowledge it, young women. Yesterday, I had a very old (50's) Mercedes Cab in front of me. Now guess which car attracted the most attention?!

    My point is: people are attracted by the unusual, something they don't see every day. This doesn't always mean that they like what they're starring at.

    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings
    /uploads/155557-ErlkönigPorsche997Turbo(10).jpg

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    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings



    Yeah, photoshopped but pretty much the real thing with one or two details not quite accurate.

    Re: Autoweek has an article on the 997 TT

    I guess that bummper/foglight/turnindicator will be part of the 1st 997 facelift we see ............. also I think those wheels are going to be the best looking wheels so for for the 997 ....



    Looks very close to TecArt's Star wheel

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    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings



    Yeah, photoshopped but pretty much the real thing with one or two details not quite accurate.



    Ok, besides the side vents not having slits, what's the other detail that's not quite accurate????

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    if this is almost the real thing or just 80 or 90% i'm in it

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    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings



    Yeah, photoshopped but pretty much the real thing with one or two details not quite accurate.



    Ok, besides the side vents not having slits, what's the other detail that's not quite accurate????



    Change the foglight setup to make it like the Cayman's (small round light set in a horizontal slat in the middle of the front intake), remove the horizontal slats from the side intakes, and voila, we have ourselves the 997TT. Form an orderly queue behind me.

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    Phoenix_911 said:
    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings



    Yeah, photoshopped but pretty much the real thing with one or two details not quite accurate.



    Ok, besides the side vents not having slits, what's the other detail that's not quite accurate????



    Change the foglight setup to make it like the Cayman's (small round light set in a horizontal slat in the middle of the front intake), remove the horizontal slats from the side intakes, and voila, we have ourselves the 997TT. Form an orderly queue behind me.



    Right , this things going to cut the cake .. Time to sign in some more coin ?? hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

    This boards going to cost me ,, eerrrrrrrr and the Mrs

    throt..

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    Al Pettee said:
    Change the foglight setup to make it like the Cayman's (small round light set in a horizontal slat in the middle of the front intake), remove the horizontal slats from the side intakes, and voila, we have ourselves the 997TT.


    I agree on the side intakes Al but the spyshots really do show a fog light like the one on the photoshopped picture in this topic. I'm afraid it will have the foglights at that particular spot

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    Fine by me, Rami.

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    Hi!

    Here I got another nice pic of a Porsche 997 Turbo. It seems do be a bit photoshopped. What do you think? I really like the rims but I dislike the front.

    Greetings



    Yeah, photoshopped but pretty much the real thing with one or two details not quite accurate.



    Ok, besides the side vents not having slits, what's the other detail that's not quite accurate????



    Change the foglight setup to make it like the Cayman's (small round light set in a horizontal slat in the middle of the front intake), remove the horizontal slats from the side intakes, and voila, we have ourselves the 997TT. Form an orderly queue behind me.



    Right , this things going to cut the cake .. Time to sign in some more coin ?? hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

    This boards going to cost me ,, eerrrrrrrr and the Mrs

    throt..



    Throt,

    You'll just have to trade in that (was it a new Bimmer?) car you picked up.

     
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