Crown

Board: Other Sports Cars Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Sep 22, 2003 3:32:08 AM

    M5er
    Veteran
    M5er
    Loc:
    Posts: 932, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 25, 2003

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    RC, (with all due respect to your opinion)dont you think its a bit early to say that the M5 isnt a car for you? The car has not even come out yet, so you dont know how it drives(that may be enough to win you over?) I for one personally believe that(read my words) the M5 will out do the E55 AMG in every single catergory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As for the 6er, I think it looks great and all of you must admit it is very original in design(maybe thats beacause so many dislike it; people usually feel more comftarble with familiar shapes and designs). Its long, low, wide, extremely well proportined, and has the big wheels that so many of us seem to like these days. I most defienetly will be checking this car out once it comes here stateside(Wouldnt be suprised if it ended up in my garage!!!!!!!!!!!!). BTW press drives for the new 6er and X3 start next month in Spain so look for articles with shots of the car in its natural beauty.

    Sep 22, 2003 7:11:45 AM

    Justin
    Veteran
    Justin
    Loc: San Diego, CA, USA
    Posts: 979, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 12, 2003
    Reply to: M5er

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    I think RC's preliminary evaluation was very fair.

    Even though the M5 and E55 are in the same segment, I do not think you can say they appeal to the same exact people. For example: right now M cars only come in manuals and AMG cars only come in automatics. If you want a nice luxury car that can lay the hammer down too, I don't think BMW can make a car like Mercedes in terms of pure refinement and high speed stability. They still have no answer to the CL, SL, and S class AMGs.

    Sep 22, 2003 11:11:44 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59581, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: M5er

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    Quote:
    RC, (with all due respect to your opinion)dont you think its a bit early to say that the M5 isnt a car for you? The car has not even come out yet, so you dont know how it drives(that may be enough to win you over?) I for one personally believe that(read my words) the M5 will out do the E55 AMG in every single catergory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Well, you have to believe it, otherwise you wouldn't stand to your Username, right?

    I try to explain a little bit: the supercharged V8 engine on the current E55, SL55, etc. is one of the best engines I ever drove. It is extremely poweful (a "hammer"), the sound is great and it delivers massive and incredible torque at almost any rev range. I don't believe a normally aspirated V10 engine could be the same but I'm willing to judge the new M5 again as soon after I drove one.
    No doubt, the suspension setup on the M5 will be much sportier than on the current E55. But to be honest: does anybody want to drive a sedan on the track? I wouldn't.
    And finally: if the M5 is limited to 250 kph, this is no car for me. I like driving fast and I never considered buying a speed limited car. Maybe BMW will overthink this policy but I doubt it because limiting their cars to 250 kph also saves development/build cost.
    And last but not least, I really like the automatic tranny on the E55. The Speedshift is one of the best auto trannies I ever drove, it shifts fast and very aggressive too.

    To make myself clear: I don't consider the M5 to be a sports car and I also don't think that the E55 is a sports car. This is why I judge these sedans differently.
    I sold my Porsche 996 Turbo RS-Tuning for one simple reason: I didn't get to drive it for almost 6 months because I had a lot of work to do, we already had a little daughter and my wife was pregnant again. My decision to sell the 911 Turbo (my dreamcar, honestly!) and go for the E55 instead wasn't based on my feelings but on rational thinking. I wanted to own a car to be able to move my family but to be able to have some fun too. The E55 was the only choice by that time and I have to confess that I regret it a little bit because I really miss my Turbo. So if somebody thinks a sedan can replace a sports car, no matter how much power it has, is dead wrong.

    The new 6 series is a different story, I'm willing to give this new sports coupe a real chance and I won't judge it until I didn't drove one. Unfortunately I really doubt that BMW will put a Porsche-like handling capability to the 6 series because they want to sell this car to the "typical" Mercedes SL customer. I don't think that BMW targets the Porsche 911 but the more comfort oriented SL.

    Just an opinion of course...

    Sep 22, 2003 11:16:50 AM

    FutchM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Futch
    Loc: EU , United Kingdom
    Posts: 4759, Gallery
    Registered on: May 14, 2002
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    Christian,
    Do you use the tip option in your E55?
    The little buttons behind the steering wheel?
    What do you think about them?
    Does the engine does the heel and toe for you like F1 transmission?
    Is it the same Auto transmission on the SL55?
    And the steering? There's an other department where Merc lacks behind BMW I think, not to say Porsche. But I agree with you in terms of effortless performance though.
    Fanch.

    Sep 23, 2003 3:42:23 AM

    M5er
    Veteran
    M5er
    Loc:
    Posts: 932, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 25, 2003
    Reply to: FutchM

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    Im really wanting to see the 6 in person!!! Even more so now hearing you guys talking about having already seen it in person and how much you love it! It would be great if one of you guys that has already seen it in person could describe what it looks like as well as a size comparison.

    Sep 23, 2003 7:18:12 AM

    LG1
    Pilot
    LG1
    Loc: Italy
    Posts: 433, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 3, 2002
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    Quote:

    And finally: if the M5 is limited to 250 kph, this is no car for me. I like driving fast and I never considered buying a speed limited car. Maybe BMW will overthink this policy but I doubt it because limiting their cars to 250 kph also saves development/build cost.




    Christian, I believe that BMW already is changing this policy.As an example, I believe it is possible to specify one's M3 CSL without the speed limiter.

    Sep 23, 2003 2:04:05 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59581, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: LG1

    Re: New info that sounds Fantastic for upcoming BMW M5....

    The M3 CSL can be ordered with a 280 kph limit if the customer is in the posession of an international racing license.
    I recently talked to a BMW dealer who's a family friend about it and he told me that BMW is very strict about the license, no matter who you are. The racing license has to be issued to the name of the buyer of the car and the buyer has to sign a document where he confirms that he agrees to the terms, bla bla bla...
    And: the CSL will be an exception, BMW has no plans to offer speed de-limited cars or to limit specific models at 300 kph (as AMG does).

    BTW: when AMG raised the speed limit on my E55, I had to sign a document too (about safety, tire pressure, etc.).
    And AMG doesn't officially advertise the speed raise anywhere, it is actually only something for customers who specifically ask for it...
     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/17/24 7:16 AM
    GnilM     		764962 1798
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		436929 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM     		261253 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48     		258108 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA     		82713 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut     		5331 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 877244 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant     		809423 3868
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry     		388414 1526
    Porsche GT4RS 4/17/24 8:53 PM
    GaussM     		386290 1452
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut     		369356 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker     		367129 797
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 4/21/23 8:09 AM
    the-missile     		290418 550
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 4/11/24 12:32 PM
    Ferdie     		286777 668
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 259348 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug     		237801 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel     		225861 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel     		220343 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug     		167256 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut     		139169 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA     		115891 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM     		107684 685
    Others Valkyrie final design? 4/28/23 2:45 AM
    Rossi     		99365 219
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		83673 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame     		74916 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		53274 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 3/16/24 9:27 PM
    WhoopsyM     		24735 237
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy     		20977 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie     		19249 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997     		16479 120
    129 items found, displaying 1 to 30.