November Road & Track tests Cayman S
0-60MPH in 4.8 seconds, 0-100MPH in 11.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.3 @ 106.2MPH
Oct 5, 2005 11:45:42 PM
Quote:Well, it ties the 997S but loses to the Lotus Elise, the Enzo and the Boxster S (which did 73.9mph). The Boxster S beat the Cayman S on the skid pad also 1.00g vs .96g. I'm surprised by those numbers. I expected it would beat the Boxster S. Apparently, it ran 0-60 in 4.8 vs 987S 5.0 and did the 1/4 mile in 13.3 vs 13.4 for the 987S. I love the looks of the Cayman but I think I'd rather be able to put the top down and save the $5k if that's all the difference between them.
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LowPolarMoment said:
My copy didn't arrive yet. What was the slalom speed?
Outstanding....71.7MPH
Oct 5, 2005 11:50:02 PM
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LowPolarMoment said:Quote:Well, it ties the 997S but loses to the Lotus Elise, the Enzo and the Boxster S (which did 73.9mph). The Boxster S beat the Cayman S on the skid pad also 1.00g vs .96g. I'm surprised by those numbers. I expected it would beat the Boxster S. Apparently, it ran 0-60 in 4.8 vs 987S 5.0 and did the 1/4 mile in 13.3 vs 13.4 for the 987S. I love the looks of the Cayman but I think I'd rather be able to put the top down and save the $5k if that's all the difference between them.
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LowPolarMoment said:
My copy didn't arrive yet. What was the slalom speed?
Outstanding....71.7MPH
Oct 6, 2005 12:04:25 AM
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JimFlat6 said:
Im happy to see the excellent numbers from R&T. Usually they dont hammer the cars and get the slowest numbers of all the magazine tests.
That quarter mile time is scorchin! What did they get for a 0-120 mph time?
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JohnJohn said:
What wheels was the Cayman test car sitting on, the standard 18'' or optional 19''? Also, does it say anything about the tyres? If I remember correctly, when R&T tested the Boxster S it was equipped with the 19'' Carrera S wheels. That could be the reason why the Boxster S outperformed the Cayman in the slalom and skidpad...
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JohnJohn said:
What wheels was the Cayman test car sitting on, the standard 18'' or optional 19''? Also, does it say anything about the tyres? If I remember correctly, when R&T tested the Boxster S it was equipped with the 19'' Carrera S wheels. That could be the reason why the Boxster S outperformed the Cayman in the slalom and skidpad...
Oct 6, 2005 4:36:27 PM
Quote:Interesting that Porsche supplied the magazine with a car wearing 18's. The Boxster S they tested definitely had 19's and PASM. If that's the reason the Boxster S performed better than the Cayman S, it ought to answer a lot of questions around here about which size wheels to get!
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JohnJohn said:
What wheels was the Cayman test car sitting on, the standard 18'' or optional 19''? Also, does it say anything about the tyres? If I remember correctly, when R&T tested the Boxster S it was equipped with the 19'' Carrera S wheels. That could be the reason why the Boxster S outperformed the Cayman in the slalom and skidpad...
The R&T test car had PASM, PCCB and Sport Chrono...the wheels were the standard 18" and tires were Michelin Pilot Sport.
Oct 6, 2005 5:05:40 PM
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LowPolarMoment said:Quote:Interesting that Porsche supplied the magazine with a car wearing 18's. The Boxster S they tested definitely had 19's and PASM. If that's the reason the Boxster S performed better than the Cayman S, it ought to answer a lot of questions around here about which size wheels to get!
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JohnJohn said:
What wheels was the Cayman test car sitting on, the standard 18'' or optional 19''? Also, does it say anything about the tyres? If I remember correctly, when R&T tested the Boxster S it was equipped with the 19'' Carrera S wheels. That could be the reason why the Boxster S outperformed the Cayman in the slalom and skidpad...
The R&T test car had PASM, PCCB and Sport Chrono...the wheels were the standard 18" and tires were Michelin Pilot Sport.
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LowPolarMoment said:Quote:Interesting that Porsche supplied the magazine with a car wearing 18's. The Boxster S they tested definitely had 19's and PASM. If that's the reason the Boxster S performed better than the Cayman S, it ought to answer a lot of questions around here about which size wheels to get!
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JohnJohn said:
What wheels was the Cayman test car sitting on, the standard 18'' or optional 19''? Also, does it say anything about the tyres? If I remember correctly, when R&T tested the Boxster S it was equipped with the 19'' Carrera S wheels. That could be the reason why the Boxster S outperformed the Cayman in the slalom and skidpad...
The R&T test car had PASM, PCCB and Sport Chrono...the wheels were the standard 18" and tires were Michelin Pilot Sport.
Not really. Ture, I believe the absolute best numbers were created on 19" wheels.....but a lot of people still prefer the feel of the 18"s including many Porsche test drivers.
There are just way too many people out there that go by the numbers too much.....if 19"s supposedly make the car a few seconds faster they have to have it.....even if they couldn't drive close to the limits of the 18" wheels. It's kind of like strange bragging rights....."Dude...I have the same wheels Walter Rohrl posted his best times with!"
I've seen Boxster drivers with 16" wheels drive the pants off owners with 19"s. For most, the $2k for 19"s would be better off spent on driver education.
I firmly believe that any version of the Cayman S put up against the same version of the Boxster S on the same track, under the same conditions, driven by the same driver, would post the same or most likely better numbers.
Oct 6, 2005 8:43:43 PM
Oct 6, 2005 8:59:50 PM
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LowPolarMoment said:
The mailman must have stolen my November Road&Track! But my son's Car&Driver came today. C&D also tested a Cayman this month though their tests are not as wide ranging as the tests done by R&T. C&D only got the Cayman from 0-60mph in 5.1, 3/10ths slower than Road & Track. If I remember correctly, C&D recorded 5.1 seconds for the Boxster S too. Let me read a sentence near the end: "Sorry, Porsche, we still don't see much reason to pick the Cayman over the open air Boxster-that is, unless you love the Cayman's shape or need more cargo space or you just want to save a bundle over the faster but no more thrilling 911".
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DaveC said:
It's about time that somebody wrote a more muted review. The typical "why 911" hyperbole was getting tired. I still can't understand the debate about this car. It's a very nicely done closed coupe interpretation of the 98x mid-engine chasis with power commensurate to the position Porsche envisions for its models. The performance is entirely consistent (and predictable) based on the Boxster's well known dynamics, which itself would be a challenge to the 911 (or any other sports car) given sufficient motive force. If a Boxster or a 911 is your preference you shouldn't lose any sleep if others prefer the Cayman. I would not hold my breath waiting for an RS/CS or any other uber-Cayman unless Porsche decides to race the car since it makes no financial or marketing sense to do so. Otherwise, I think the Cayman is a welcome addition to the Porsche family.
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LowPolarMoment said:
The mailman must have stolen my November Road&Track! But my son's Car&Driver came today. C&D also tested a Cayman this month though their tests are not as wide ranging as the tests done by R&T. C&D only got the Cayman from 0-60mph in 5.1, 3/10ths slower than Road & Track. If I remember correctly, C&D recorded 5.1 seconds for the Boxster S too. Let me read a sentence near the end: "Sorry, Porsche, we still don't see much reason to pick the Cayman over the open air Boxster-that is, unless you love the Cayman's shape or need more cargo space or you just want to save a bundle over the faster but no more thrilling 911".
Of all the reviews that are out now on the Cayman, this is the only one that isn't glowing towards it. Not that I'm looking for every writer to be a "yes man", but this is the only magazine that just couldn't see the light IMO.
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AJ said:
I think that Porsche should go the route that Mercedes has gone, which is to offer every engine in every model, it really doesn't cost more and you defintely keep the competition and tuners out. And so what, Porsche can make even more money. Give the people what they want. If they don't want it cancel it after the fact. Mercedes sells the 55 (476hp) motor in the E S SL CLS CL and even the G. So what if only 10 people buy the G55 but it might keep a driver in the fold. Mercedes got over the notion that the most expensive class only gets the high output engine along time ago. Porsche should learn something from this, if someone wants to put the GT3 motor into a Cayman or even Boxster and pay an extra $30000, why not? It is not like they are losing money on it and if they were concerned about having an expensive boxster, they don't seem to care about that either as they offer paint/leather to sample on those models as well.
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AJ said:
I think that Porsche should go the route that Mercedes has gone, which is to offer every engine in every model, it really doesn't cost more and you defintely keep the competition and tuners out. And so what, Porsche can make even more money. Give the people what they want. If they don't want it cancel it after the fact. Mercedes sells the 55 (476hp) motor in the E S SL CLS CL and even the G. So what if only 10 people buy the G55 but it might keep a driver in the fold. Mercedes got over the notion that the most expensive class only gets the high output engine along time ago. Porsche should learn something from this, if someone wants to put the GT3 motor into a Cayman or even Boxster and pay an extra $30000, why not? It is not like they are losing money on it and if they were concerned about having an expensive boxster, they don't seem to care about that either as they offer paint/leather to sample on those models as well.