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Sep 25, 2005 12:01:16 AM

tori: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 83, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2004

Porsche paint quality/ Can a body shop match it?

I've noticed that Porsche paint and paint preparation is pretty good compare to some other auto makers. I mean if you look at it very closely, you can see ripples and waves on the serface of every car. Porsche has a lot less ripples. So better reflection.

I wonder if a local autobody shop can match the finish quality. What should I expect from them?

Some [censored] hit and run my C2S at my work parking lot and scraped side of rear bumper. No dent or damage but paint is gone and can see the bumper plastic. I hate to see a body shop mess up my car even more.

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Sep 25, 2005 12:39:13 AM

POR911: Pilot; Loc: VA; Posts: 324, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2005; Reply to: tori

Re: Porsche paint quality/ Can a body shop match it?

what color is your car?
i own a body shop, and my suggestion is to have the body shop completely wet sand and buff your bumper after the paint. The bumper is plastic so as far as the wavyness or ripples it should not happen if all you need is a paint job, regularly the area which should be painted should be primer and sanded, and wet sanded before paint and the wetsanded and buffed after repairs. Make sure which ever body shop you take it to will give you a guarentee and when you do go there ask to see the guality of there paint with a vehicle they have painted before! the only consern i would have is that due to the bumper being pastic there is other material that will be used dureing the process of paint the color does not match some times. Make sure you also tell the body shop that you are very praticular about your car and you want a perfect job. I would not usually suggest a dealer to repair you car also!

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Sep 25, 2005 12:49:59 AM

greggr107: Pilot; Loc: San Jose, CA; Posts: 385, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 20, 2005; Reply to: tori

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tori said:

Some [censored] hit and run my C2S at my work parking lot and scraped side of rear bumper. No dent or damage but paint is gone and can see the bumper plastic. I hate to see a body shop mess up my car even more.

The hard part is finding a reputable bodyshop that does quality work! They should be able to match it on your plastic bumper, ask around or maybe find out where your Porsche dealer farms them out... I would imagine they would do quality work, as P-owners are some of the most retentive out there

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Sep 25, 2005 5:26:33 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: greggr107

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I hear the factory paint is very hard to duplicate. Porsche and Bmw and others put a slight orange peel on the car to increase highlights. You won't get orange peel from a body shop it will be completely flat.

You'd think the opposite would be true.

Go check out your 997 paint and you'll see slight bumpiness.

Just repeating what I "learned" in another extended thread somewhere.

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Sep 26, 2005 12:47:18 AM

Fred 993C4S: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 86, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2004; Reply to: MMD

Re: Porsche paint quality/ Can a body shop match it?

I always thought that "orange peel" is actually a defect in painting.

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I hear the factory paint is very hard to duplicate. Porsche and Bmw and others put a slight orange peel on the car to increase highlights. You won't get orange peel from a body shop it will be completely flat.

You'd think the opposite would be true.

Go check out your 997 paint and you'll see slight bumpiness.

Just repeating what I "learned" in another extended thread somewhere.

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Sep 26, 2005 2:58:41 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Fred 993C4S

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I always thought that "orange peel" is actually a defect in painting.

yeah, sounds right, but it's false. If you look at your new 997 paint (or other new cars) you'll see it.

Would be nice if somebody who knew more would chime in here.

You supposdly can always tell when a car has been repainted if the paint is perfectly smooth.

The guys who machine polish and clay their cars MAY be messing up their factory perfect orange peel.

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Sep 26, 2005 3:29:02 AM

chuck: Newbie; Loc: Illinois, USA; Posts: 40, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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Fred 993C4S said:
I always thought that "orange peel" is actually a defect in painting.

It is

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Sep 26, 2005 4:44:39 AM

OCEAN: Expert; Loc: US; Posts: 1334, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 28, 2004; Reply to: chuck

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You supposedly can always tell when a car has been repainted if the paint is perfectly smooth

These cars get damaged at the factory , on the boat , at the port and are fixed all the time and most will never notice . It all depends on the body shop that fixes the car .

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Sep 26, 2005 3:25:15 PM

amjf088: Co-Pilot; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 256, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2005; Reply to: OCEAN

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The reason why some repaints look perfectly smooth is because they have been wetsanded, buffed and polished to remove the texture. Body shop jobs face the same challenges. I've seem some very heavy peel on re-finish jobs from supposedly decent shops.

Modern paints have to meet many environmental regulations and the net result is that paints have higher solids content and are typically sprayed at reduced pressures. Both of these factors help contribute to orange peel. I have not seen any modern factory paint job that does not have some peel, AND has not been wet sanded to flatten it down.

A good shop will be able to match the color and produce a good finish with minimal texture. You do have to look around though and ask about warranty and which products they will be using. If you are unsure about how good they are, post the info and see what feedback you get.

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Sep 26, 2005 6:56:55 PM

POR911: Pilot; Loc: VA; Posts: 324, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2005; Reply to: amjf088

Re: Porsche paint quality/ Can a body shop match it?

Orange peel is a defect. Altough almost all brand new cars porsche or no porsche have paint defects. It is visabile to the trained eye. Orance peal should not be a major consern because it can be buff out easy, so when you go to a suggested bodyshop to repair your vehicle and you notice a inperfection as far as orange peel, make it known to the manager and they should not have any problem buffing it out, easily. Your consern's should be color match if you have any metallic colors, white, yellow, red. and you should be conserned with pin holes, fish eyes, and dirt in the paint,, these are all inperfections that are caused by the body work or paint under the clear (Orage peal is an inperfection in the clearcoat not the paint)> If you take it to a body shop and you see something wrong with the paint under the clear coat then the worst that can happen is that the shop will have to do the job again, just make sure you review there warranty. Please also take this advise, independently owned shops with good reputaions are the best as far as quality!

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Sep 26, 2005 7:11:19 PM

Turbo 911: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 185, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2005; Reply to: tori

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A non-PORSCHE garage can match PORSCHE paint quality but the trouble is finding one that can - try established local garages or ask friends and family if they can recommend you one.

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Sep 27, 2005 5:22:19 AM

tori: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 83, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2004; Reply to: Turbo 911

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I took my car to a place that my dealer uses. The color came out matched very well or at least I can't tell the difference. However, the shine or reflection of surrounding are different. It is more fuzzy and dull if you look closely. I suspect that preparation for the paint may not be smooth enough. It is not clear coat, the painted surface is not mirror smooth so that end result do not look as good as the rest of car. I compare the finish with BMW330. Porsche has better finish so that car look more smoother and lots of reflection with deeper shine. My rear bumper is at BMW quality... Now, I'm very upset. Someone hit and run, use my own insurance to fix but result is lower quality than before fix.

What should I do? Tell the shop to repaint? But I'm afraid that they mess up my car even more. This shop supposed be very good and work on many Porsches but result is disappointing. Anyone know what is right procedure for prep work before applying the paint? Oh my color is Atlas Gray. It is a very complex sophisticated color as you know.

BTW, unfortunately if you have tiny scratch on your car for some reason, do not paint whole area just fix up the smallest area.

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Sep 27, 2005 2:06:52 PM

POR911: Pilot; Loc: VA; Posts: 324, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2005; Reply to: tori

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Tori, Atlas is a pain!! But what do you mean by fuzzy? IF it is dull is should be from the outside of the paint on the clearcoat. Either way if you are not happy with the workmanship, take it back! Was the shop you used suggested by your insurance or your dealer? IF it was then defenitly take it back, because they will have to do it to keep a good reputation with which ever one refered them to you!!! Worse come worse and the body shop decided to be nasty about it, call the service manager at the dealer or your insurance rep and have them talk to the shop.

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Sep 28, 2005 10:49:00 AM

SpeedYellow997S: Newbie; Loc: Los Angeles; Posts: 7, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2005; Reply to: tori

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As long as the base color match, the only issue you have is with the clear coat. The base color is not gloss, the top clear coat is what makes the car look shinny. A lot of body shops don't use fine enough polish after wet sand / buffing. Your best bet is to check micro scratches and orange peel texture on the top clear coat. You'll need to look at the surface at an angle under certain lighting condition. Flex agent is added when painting plastic to give the paint additional flexibility. Plastic bumper is extremely tricky because high speed buffing can brun the paint easily. I think all you need to do is to have the bumper polished with a foam pad using a dual action machine, it's a very time consuming process.

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Sep 29, 2005 2:48:58 AM

vtrader: Veteran; Loc: Los Angeles; Posts: 1086, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 6, 2004; Reply to: MMD

Re: Porsche paint quality/ Can a body shop match it?

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Fred 993C4S said:
I always thought that "orange peel" is actually a defect in painting.

yeah, sounds right, but it's false. If you look at your new 997 paint (or other new cars) you'll see it.

Would be nice if somebody who knew more would chime in here.

You supposdly can always tell when a car has been repainted if the paint is perfectly smooth.

The guys who machine polish and clay their cars MAY be messing up their factory perfect orange peel.

I have looked at the paint on my car and have not seen any orange peel at all. I have seen it on other brand new German and Japanese luxury cars, but I have not been able to see any flaw on my car.

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Sep 30, 2005 4:01:13 AM

tori: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 83, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2004; Reply to: vtrader

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Thanks everyone for your inputs. I took my car to the shop and they buffed for 30min or so, then the peel is gone. It was 3rd time going back there to get things right. Hope none of these things happen to you guys.

Finally I feel like my car is back, time to enjoy it again. lol

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Sep 30, 2005 3:41:48 PM

POR911: Pilot; Loc: VA; Posts: 324, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2005; Reply to: tori

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You wont have any more problems with that blemish after the buff. Auto repairs are auto repairs, the shop can only make the car 99% back to the orignal no matter what they do. Im glad to see that the body shop was good to you and fixed all the problems. enjoy!

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