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    However three states have enacted laws banning the ownership, sale and use of laser jammers they are Minnesota (Minnesota Statutes 2002, 169.14) California (Sec. 1, Ch 493.28150, effective January 1999) and Utah (C. 41-6-52.7, 1998)



    do a lot of road trips through California and Utah .... does this mean you must turn off the laser jammers in these states .. wonder if they can really detect you using one .






    The SR7+ Escort system uses laser shifters, not laser jammers. I'm not sure how to explain this correctly, but the "laser beam" is governed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), not by law enforcement agencies. Therefore, it isn't illegal to shift the lasers, but don't know for sure about jamming them. I know it's illegal to jam radar though.



    JP, they are exactly the same thing. The Shifters are just the name Escort has given them but they are jammers, and work exactly like any pother jammer on the market, Like the Blinders for example, both use infrared LEDs to produce the 904nm wavelenth infrared pulse back to the laser gun and jam it. The Lidatek for example instead, uses a Gallium Arsenide laser diode as its source for emiting the pulse, thats why its transponders are so small, because it only needs one diode while the Escort o Blinders need a row of LEDs with are weaker. But they all work in the same manner. In fact, the Escort Laser Shifter is exactly the same product as the Bel Laser Pro system, Bel and Escort are the same company know, the difference is that the Escort Shifters are made to plug to a Escort SR-7 and the Bel Laser Pro can plug to a Bel RX-75 for example.

    It is perfectly legal to emit this infrared light, like I mentioned above, your TV remote works the same way but much weaker (point your TV remote to your car and the jammer should go off thinking its a lidar gun). But what its not legal in some states and countries is to use it to intefere with polise LIDAR, and this outlaws laser jammer devices, the fine should be the same as using a radar detector.

    So if laser jammers are ilegal were you live, the Escort Shifter jammers are ilegal too. In fact some newer police LIDAR guns will throw a "jamming" message on the gun's display when they detect that a car is sending a laser pulse from a jammer back to the gun. And the LEO will know he is being jammed and that you have a jammer. But this depends on the gun and the jammers, some guns just throw an error code that is comon with other causes of malfunction, some will show the specific jamming message, some jammers throw few or no codes or jamming messages at all, some throw more. So its a combination of the jammer and the gun for this to happen. If your jammer goes off, I suggest you turn it off inmediately as soon as you have lowered yous speed to legal limits (which should be in less tha 5 seconds) so a not to create suspition by the LOA that he is being jam, that way he is able to get after a couple of seconds (after you have slowed down) and less likely to not supect jamming and blame it on anyother factor or erros that guns have.

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    The other thing about Laser Detectors and Jammers. They must have their antennas mounted to the license plate frame to be effective. Lidar only shoots a small square pattern of laser, about 2 x 3 feet(?) which is aimed to your plate because it is highly reflective. Unless your detector/jammer is mounted in that square you're toast. As someone said above, there's a miniscule .0001% chance of catching a stray reflection.

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    True, if you use a one transponder system (Lidatek one trandsponder, LCR-100, LT-400, Antilaser, Defender2, etc), the transponder should go centered on top of the licence plate.

    But if you are using a two-transponder system (Lidatekl DUAL, Blinder, Escort Shifter, Bel Laser Pro, etc), then transponders should be sepeparated a minimum distance (specified in each jammers' manual) and located laterally to the plate (closer to the headlights which are the other most targeted area of the car along with the plate).

    I recomend dual-transponder systems becuase with just one transponder, if the LEO targets your headlight your jammer located in the centre midline of the car may not pick the laser at all, especially true at closer distances like <500feet. And with two transponders you always have more chances of jamming the laser gun than with one at closer distances since the laser gun at short range may overpower the jammer and render it inefective. But this depends on the jammer model also, two lidatek transponders may be stronger than 4 Blinders.

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    On the escort 8500, Any problems pluging in to the lighter and the cord being annoying when shifting in the 997?

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    If you use a one transponder system (Lidatek one trandsponder, LCR-100, LT-400, Antilaser, Defender2, etc), the transponder whould go centered on top of the licence plate. But if you are using a two-transponder system (Lidatekl DUAL, Blinder, Escort Shifter, Bel Laser Pro, etc), then transponders should be sepeparated a minimum distance (specified in each jammers' manual) and located laterally to the plate (closer to the headlights which are the other most targeted area of the car along with the plate.

    I recomend dual-transponder systems becuase with just one transponder, if the LEO targets your headlight your jammer located in the centre midline of the car may not pick the laser at all. Especially true at closer distances like <500feet.



    WOW! Important details. I love it! Carlos: you're da man

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    I use a remote install Bel 996 Vector Europa detector, its a unit specially made for European radars models & freqs, and is completely stealth remote install, and very effective against radar traps were the radar is placed in direction of the traffic (not against it like in US) as are most radars here in Europe. So I wouldn't know about windshield mount detectors and their cords but its a good question since the power outlet in the 997 is in the centre console.

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    Xtractor said:
    On the escort 8500, Any problems pluging in to the lighter and the cord being annoying when shifting in the 997?



    Use the 12 outlet in the passenger's wheelwell. It's out of the way and the right angle of the cord keeps it "jammed" in there. Try winding a bit of electrical tape around the plug to increase friction (doesn't take much).

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    I use a remote install Bel 996 Vector Europa detector, its a unit specially made for European radars and is completely stealth remote install and very effective against radar traps were the radar is placed in direction of the traffic (not against it like in US) as are most radars here in Euurope. So I wouldn't know about windshield mount detectors and their cords.



    Well, somebody has been visiting Radar Roy's forums . Carlos, how are the Lidateks treating you? If I recall correctly you bought the dual setup, right? Also, which detector are you using?

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    Good idea MMD, that would work great! Cord would be completely out of the way.

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    Well, somebody has been visiting Radar Roy's forums . Carlos, how are the Lidateks treating you? If I recall correctly you bought the dual setup, right? Also, which detector are you using?



    Actually we have our own forum here in Spain of which I'm one of the three main moderators and creators but Radar Roy's is good too, though more american radar focused. I have done a master's degree in traffic speed enforcement over these years in order for my 911 not make me loose my license!

    I haven't bought the Lidateks just yet, I was planning a getting a Lidatek LE-30 with THREE transponders since in Spain they use Poltech's Lasecam NT LIDAR Gun (basically a LTI 20/20 Marksman with a camera mounted to it) so they shoot you from behind so as to take a picture of your rear license plate to fine you. So I would need two transponders for the rear and one for the front for the ocasional cases were they shoot from the front. You always need to cover both ends of the car, even in US, I heard in some states like Florida the also shoot from behind.

    But with the new DriveSmart Defenser 2 jammer coming out, I decided to wait on the Lidatek till it comes out since its specs are above all other jammers but it still needs to be tested firts and see if what they claim is true.

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    Good idea MMD, that would work great! Cord would be completely out of the way.



    Oh, yeah! I won't tell you how embarassingly long I drove with it stuck into the console socket though!

    The other thing you can do is get a coiled cigarette lighter socket extension cord from auto stores. It gives you a little more length to work with.

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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    Crash said:
    Well, somebody has been visiting Radar Roy's forums . Carlos, how are the Lidateks treating you? If I recall correctly you bought the dual setup, right? Also, which detector are you using?



    Actually we have our own forum here in Spain of which I'm one of the moderators but Radar Roy's is good too.

    I haven't bought the Lidateks just yet, I was planning a getting a Lidatek LE-30 with THREE transponders since in SPain they use Poltech's Lasecam NT LIDAR Gun (basically a LTI 20/20 Marksman with a camera mounted to it) so they shoot you from behind so as to take a picture of your rear license plate to fine you. So I would need two transponders for the rear and one for the front for the ocasional cases were they shoot from the front. You always need to cover both ends of the car, even iin US, I heard in some states like Florida the also shoot from behind.
    But with the new DriveSmart Defenser 2 jammer coming out, I decided to wait on the Lidatek till it comes out since its specs are above all other jammers but it still needs to be tested firts and see if what they calim is true.



    Yes, it's supposedly excellent. The developer of the DriveSmart is currently answering questions on RR's forums if you have any questions about it. We also have those pesky laser cameras, with the difference that our police use the Traffipatrol V (a LaserPatrol mounted on a tripod). I heard somewhere that Lidatek are developing a special transponder for the rear, should you decide to buy the system. I have the single-transponder version along with the V1 and it works. Might want to look up Antilaser too. The new Gen6 prototype dual system performed marvelously during recent unofficial testing, convincingly beating Lidatek, Blinder and Escort, jamming just about every measurement to the gun, with the exception of the LTI 100LR, which they're working on. The DriveSmart might be interesting not because of its jamming capabilities (Lidatek and Antilaser are also upgradeable), but because of its future photo radar jamming module currently in the works.

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    Lidatek one transponder may work well if the car is not big and the color is not too light, I was impressed with the results from the AL6 but the problem with the Antilaser is that its transponder is way to big to camouflage it and hide it from view on the rear of the car, since here jammers are ilegal and they must be reasonalble disguised. This may be the problem with the DriveSmart as well from the pictures I have seen. Thats why the Lidatek has one great advantage over the rest of jammers here.

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    Lidatek one transponder may work well if the car is not big and the color is not too light, I was impressed with the results from the AL6 but the problem with the Antilaser is that its transponder is way to big to camouflage it and hide it from view on the rear of the car, since here jammers are ilegal and they must be reasonalble disguised. This may be the problem with the DriveSmart as well from the pictures I have seen. Thats why the Lidatek has one great advantage over the rest of jammers here.



    Both very valid points. Let me add though that on a limousine sized car the LE-30 has not let me down yet (against Riegls and LaserPatrol guns). Lidatek is, like I said, upgradeable, so they may easily match the performance of the AL6 in the coming months (or at least as soon as they can acquire a working AL6 ), with the smaller size. The technology certainly is there. The DriveSmart is, like you said, good, but we will have to wait for independent testing to be done to verify the claim. Like you mentioned, both the AL6's and DS' main drawbacks are their sizes. It may well be that Lidatek will remain king for the foreseeable future.

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    Great, I'll try it. I actually didn't know about the outlet. Thanks.

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    Crash said:
    Both very valid points. Let me add though that on a limousine sized car the LE-30 has not let me down yet (against Riegls and LaserPatrol guns). Lidatek is, like I said, upgradeable, so they may easily match the performance of the AL6 in the coming months (or at least as soon as they can acquire a working AL6 ), with the smaller size. The technology certainly is there. The DriveSmart is, like you said, good, but we will have to wait for independent testing to be done to verify the claim. Like you mentioned, both the AL6's and DS' main drawbacks are their sizes. It may well be that Lidatek will remain king for the foreseeable future.



    I agree, for me the Lidatek seems the best buy for all the reasons, but I'm only holding back purchase till I see the Defende2 independantly tested just in case. One feature I like about the Defender (I belive the antilaser has it too) is that it serves as a parking sensor as well and that could be a good excuse to have it installed if you get caught with it. It may work as an escuse or it may not.

    The problem we have in Spain is that unlike the US, here they shoot picture with the laser reading so they shhot the laser at very close range so that its withing the camera's range (no more than 300 feet) so the jammer needs to be very powerful to be able to still jam at that close range, so 2 lidatek transponders are necesary. In the Us, the LEO target from far away and one lidatek transponder may be enough to easily jam it while you slow down before you get close to the gun.

    If I get the Lidatek, I will make a custom licence place holder for the front and rear that will incorporate the transponders into it and camouflashed almost completely

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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    Crash said:
    Both very valid points. Let me add though that on a limousine sized car the LE-30 has not let me down yet (against Riegls and LaserPatrol guns). Lidatek is, like I said, upgradeable, so they may easily match the performance of the AL6 in the coming months (or at least as soon as they can acquire a working AL6 ), with the smaller size. The technology certainly is there. The DriveSmart is, like you said, good, but we will have to wait for independent testing to be done to verify the claim. Like you mentioned, both the AL6's and DS' main drawbacks are their sizes. It may well be that Lidatek will remain king for the foreseeable future.



    I agree, for me the Lidatek seems the best buy for all the reasons, but I'm only holding back purchase till I see the Defende2 independantly tested just in case. One feature I like about the Defender (I belive the antilaser has it too) is that it serves as a parking sensor as well and that could be a good excuse to have it installed if you get caught with it. It may work as an escuse or it may not.

    The problem we have in Spain is that unlike the US, here they shoot picture with the laser reading so they shhot the laser at very close range so that its withing the camera's range (no more than 300 feet) so the jammer needs to be very powerful to be able to still jam at that close range, so 2 lidatek transponders are necesary. In the Us, the LEO target from far away and one lidatek transponder may be enough to easily jam it while you slow down before you get close to the gun.

    If I get the Lidatek, I will make a custom licence place holder for the front and rear that will incorporate the transponders into it and camouflashed almost completely



    For that kind of application I agree that you may need two transponders. What will you do about the rear then? We have similar equipment and they usually don't measure from further than 80 meters, although I have not yet stumbled upon one while going over the limit... The parking sensor argument may well prove to be a very valid selling point for the DS. Hey, if you ever get around to manufacturing a custom plate holder, please shoot me a PM.

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    For that kind of application I agree that you may need two transponders. What will you do about the rear then? We have similar equipment and they usually don't measure from further than 80 meters, although I have not yet stumbled upon one while going over the limit... The parking sensor argument may well prove to be a very valid selling point for the DS. Hey, if you ever get around to manufacturing a custom plate holder, please shoot me a PM.



    I will put two rear lidatek transponders and just one for the front (the 911 is small and black). My idea is to incorporate them into a lip in a custome plateholder made of similar material, texture and color than the transponders. That way they willbe hard to spot and will be placed un the perfect spot. If I do it I will let you know

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    Great info Carlos...
    I don't use a front plate on my car, so I have the two "shifters" under each headlight, and in the very center is where the radar detector is. So for the back, above the plate is the rear "shifter".
    My system sends back an error message to the gun, and allows for me to slow down and temp turn it off. I can also turn the whole system off if I ever get pulled over and they leave thier gun on.




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    Thats a perfect place to install, very stealth at the front, nice

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    Beautiful. Couldn't tell it was there if I didn't know what I was looking for.

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    JP,

    Nice setup, what brand are you using?

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    I use a remote install Bel 996 Vector Europa detector, its a unit specially made for European radars models & freqs, and is completely stealth remote install, and very effective against radar traps were the radar is placed in direction of the traffic (not against it like in US) as are most radars here in Europe. So I wouldn't know about windshield mount detectors and their cords but its a good question since the power outlet in the 997 is in the centre console.



    Carlos, have you any recommendations for a system that can be used in the UK?

    Thanks

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    eddie said:
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    Carlos from Spain said:
    I use a remote install Bel 996 Vector Europa detector, its a unit specially made for European radars models & freqs, and is completely stealth remote install, and very effective against radar traps were the radar is placed in direction of the traffic (not against it like in US) as are most radars here in Europe. So I wouldn't know about windshield mount detectors and their cords but its a good question since the power outlet in the 997 is in the centre console.



    Carlos, have you any recommendations for a system that can be used in the UK?

    Thanks



    The best system for use in the UK would be the Bel-Target Vector 966 EVO (a slightly newer version of the Europa). It is however very expensive, so I would suggest the Bel 975R - the US version of the 966. Performs the same, but is about half the price - you can get it new for less than 400 USD if you look around. It is also concealed in your front bumper and can be made invisible to the Spectre radar detector detector by using a dutch-made frequency filter. Its detection even puts my V1 to shame . If you need a laser jammer for those camera partnerships, the Target LT-400 or the Lidatek LE-30 would both be a great choice.

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    RDKJ said:
    JP,

    Nice setup, what brand are you using?



    I'm using the Escort SR7+ system....laser detector/shifter and radar detector

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    Crash said:
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    Carlos, have you any recommendations for a system that can be used in the UK?

    Thanks



    The best system for use in the UK would be the Bel-Target Vector 966 EVO (a slightly newer version of the Europa). It is however very expensive, so I would suggest the Bel 975R - the US version of the 966. Performs the same, but is about half the price - you can get it new for less than 400 USD if you look around. It is also concealed in your front bumper and can be made invisible to the Spectre radar detector detector by using a dutch-made frequency filter. Its detection even puts my V1 to shame . If you need a laser jammer for those camera partnerships, the Target LT-400 or the Lidatek LE-30 would both be a great choice.



    The Bel975R is cheaper as has the same Ka band an K band performance as the Bel966R, but the problem is that the 975R does not pick up Ku Band, and the UK is one of the european countries were Ku band is used. I believe there are 1500 Ku band radar units in UK. So for UK I would go for the 966R. Also the 996R has the ESP microchip which filters interference and false signals from GSM phones used in Europe. So in the end IMO I would go for the 996R its worth the extra 100 Euro in pricetag for UK.

    Also in UK particularly, the most popular type of radar is fixed type so GPS detectors work very well in UK, so in combination with the Bel996R you are pretty much covered. I woulkd seriously consider a GPS detector as a companion for the Bel966R. The Bel for movile traps and the GPS for fixed GATSO type speed camera traps. Check out the english Road Angel GPS system for example, it gets good reviews.

    As as Crash says, in terms of jammers for laser, the lidatek would be my choice too. The problem with the Lasertrack LT400 is that it only covers the front of the car, it offers no rear protection and does not sell with additional transponders like the Lidatek to cover the rear. And also the LT400 is quite expensive.

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    Thanks a lot guys. Here in the UK, they seem to be evenly split between the Road Angel and the Snooper S4 Evolution. The advantage of the S4 is that apparently it also has a laser detector, but not a jammer. The combined price (with jammer) is approx. Pounds700 so its not cheap. The Bel966R is around the same price as a Road Angel/Snooper at Pounds450 here.

    Thanks Again

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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    Crash said:
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    eddie said:
    Carlos, have you any recommendations for a system that can be used in the UK?

    Thanks



    The best system for use in the UK would be the Bel-Target Vector 966 EVO (a slightly newer version of the Europa). It is however very expensive, so I would suggest the Bel 975R - the US version of the 966. Performs the same, but is about half the price - you can get it new for less than 400 USD if you look around. It is also concealed in your front bumper and can be made invisible to the Spectre radar detector detector by using a dutch-made frequency filter. Its detection even puts my V1 to shame . If you need a laser jammer for those camera partnerships, the Target LT-400 or the Lidatek LE-30 would both be a great choice.



    The Bel975R is cheaper as has the same Ka band an K band performance as the Bel966R, but the problem is that the 975R does not pick up Ku Band, and the UK is one of the european countries were Ku band is used. I believe there are 1500 Ku band radar units in UK. So for UK I would go for the 966R. Also the 996R has the ESP microchip which filters interference and false signals from GSM phones used in Europe. So in the end IMO I would go for the 996R its worth the extra 100 Euro in pricetag for UK.

    Also in UK particularly, the most popular type of radar is fixed type so GPS detectors work very well in UK, so in combination with the Bel996R you are pretty much covered. I woulkd seriously consider a GPS detector as a companion for the Bel966R. The Bel for movile traps and the GPS for fixed GATSO type speed camera traps. Check out the english Road Angel GPS system for example, it gets good reviews.

    As as Crash says, in terms of jammers for laser, the lidatek would be my choice too. The problem with the Lasertrack LT400 is that it only covers the front of the car, it offers no rear protection and does not sell with additional transponders like the Lidatek to cover the rear. And also the LT400 is quite expensive.



    Very true about the Ku units, but the thing is that the Ku band IS available with the 975R, although disabled by the factory. You have to press a predetermined sequence of buttons to get it running. I thought the price difference between the 966 and the 975 was more than 100 EUR. Like the last poster said, the price for the 966 is about 450 GBP or 680 EUR. If you check some US stores you can find the 975 for less than 300 EUR. Testing done by the dutch site Flitsservice.nl has shown the performance to be virtually identical, but I cannot remember for sure about the cell phone interference. For such a difference in price though you can get both a 975 and a jammer. I own a Valentine though and am only transmitting other people's experiences.

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    Crash said:
    Very true about the Ku units, but the thing is that the Ku band IS available with the 975R, although disabled by the factory. You have to press a predetermined sequence of buttons to get it running.



    Thats the Bel 975I, not the Bel 975R, the Bel975R has no Ku Band. The Bel975I substitutes the 35.5Ghz narrow band of the 975R in the fourth led for the 13GHz Ku Band.

    You can get the 966R for just over 500 Euro in the UK if you search well, but the 975R for the UK has to pay on top of the US price the 17% VAT and overseas shiping, bringing it closer to over 400 Euro . So the difference is not that great.

    Ka band and K band performance of the Bel975R and Bel966 is pretty much the same, the diference is lack of Ku Band and the ESP microchip. For here in Spain for example I would recomend the 975R if your in a budget since we have no Ku Band but for UK I would go for the 966.

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    Sorry - I've been in Montreal this weekend...I've received several PM's concerning the integrated Valentine One in the rear view mirror (I posted it a few days ago). It is a custom built unit that a high end place near me (AI Design - www.aidesign.com) makes. They have a complete package too where they give you the integrated V1, with two K40 laser jammers in the front and rear. It costs roughly $4,000 inclusive of labor and takes two days to install. The integrated is defintely a plus over having the unit hang from the windshield. I cannot stress how much I recommend them. If you do decide to go through with any kind of project with them, mention the fact that Alfred referred you to them, or PM me and I'll let the owner, Matt, know that you are interested in the product.

     
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