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Full hybrid is a new term coined to differentiate mild hybrid cars that can be driven on battery alone vs mild hybrid cars that cannot. Not unlike the term CUV vs SUV, still an SUV at heart but wanted to stress the crossover part.
In government terms, there is only plugin hybrids and then the others, doesn't matter the term used. Plugin hybrids re treated the same as EVs, while the others are treated like any other normal petro cars. Benefits that applies to EVs are also applies to plugins but not the others. Make sense as mild hybrids can only gets it's power from petro, while plugins can get it from the wall like any other EVs.
My province here draws a clear line separating plugins from the others.
Stop parsing in an attempt to dig yourself out of the hole you have created. Full hybrid is not a new term as it predates mild hybrid. The term full hybrid is almost thirty years, if not longer, in use. Mild hybrid has been used by the major automakers for around twenty years to describe systems that include an electric boost mode within the stop-start system.
Actually, hybrids were called...hybrids...not full hybrids. So I guess you are both right, in a way.
To the layman yes but for regulations at the manufacturing and governmental levels no. Recall this lengthy discourse began when someone wanting to call the Corvette e-ray a mild hybrid not a (full) hybrid when that simply isn’t true.
Every hybrid car is a full hybrid. Care to name a 'half' hybrid offering?
At the end of the day, the e Ray isn't a plugin hybrid hence it is a mild hybrid. There is no shame in being a mild hybrid dude, it's just lacking a charge port.
Yes, half hybrids are either called micro or mild hybrids because the vehicle cannot operate in EV mode for any duration. Here’s another primer with some pictures so it is easier to comprehend. https://x-engineer.org/micro-mild-full-hybrid-electric-vehicle
Adding a U.S. Department of Energy link explaining the differences two as these are the official regulatory classifications. https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_basics_hev.html
Hahahaha. One cannot have a 'half' hybrid. It's either full or none. Pretty black and white when talking about hybrids, either it's a mixed drivetrain or it's not. One cannot have 'half'.
So you want to define another new category, half hybrid? Like, a car has electric motors but it isn't used so it can be called half hybrid? Or a EV that has a petrol motor but it isn't used? So like a Tesla carrying a Honda generator will be a 'half' hybrid? Jesus get a grip.
For hybrids, there really is only 2. Plugins where one can charge up the battery from the wall, and then there are the others, where the car cannot be charged up from the wall. That's it. It's a pretty black and white separation. Doesn't matter what one want to call 'the others'.
Chevy wants to use the marketing term 'performance hybrid' for their e-Ray. Cool. But the press had been using that term since, well the 918 came out, when it was the first car to use electric power to augment the car's performance instead of fuel economy, hence the 918 is the OG 'performance' hybrid. But the 918 is a plugin, a different category of hybrid.
No shame however, Porsche's original Cayenne hybrid wasn't a plugin either. I drove one as a rental in Vegas before. Without the wall charging part, it wasn't really useful, that's why Porsche quickly changed it to a plugin hybrid.
There is another term, 'strong' hybrid, where manufacturers wanted to differentiate them from the original Prius and be viewed as different from mild hybrid, the original term for non-plugin hybrids, which basically means all non-plugin hybrids. Some do try to micro classify it even finer to distance from the Prius even more, like using the operating voltage, and whether a hybrid can be driven on electric power or not. But at the end of the day, it's still all just marketing jargons.
Putting a pink Barbie dress on a pig and also put lipstick and eye lashes on a pig, but it's still........a pig.
Am I being too blunt?
Nothing against the e-Ray, even with it being a mild hybrid, it still remains a very attractive package for me, I like it a lot. But what prevent me from actually ordering one will be the lack of wall charging. Big no no for a 'hybrid'. it defeats the whole purpose of having a hybrid system and gaining governmental and regulation benefits. At the end of the day, such cars are being grouped with regular cars.
I will buy one when GM decided to finally put a charge port on it.
Or maybe not when the SL63 e-Performance arrives. Such an attractive package. The SL63 is already a winning package, and with the addition of plugin hybrid technology, it gets all the benefits also, zero downside. Well maybe the price.......
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