Sep 15, 2005 2:24:22 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
...The world is going crazy...bigger and bigger engines and horse power wars between the German manufacturers while the oil is drying up faster and faster because of demand in India and China...
Sep 15, 2005 2:24:22 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
...The world is going crazy...bigger and bigger engines and horse power wars between the German manufacturers while the oil is drying up faster and faster because of demand in India and China...
Sep 16, 2005 3:53:57 AM
Sep 16, 2005 3:53:57 AM
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Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
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Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
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elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
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elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
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Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
I perfectly understand the argument for safety, but the fact is that you won't be any safer in this than in a luxo barge (E55 anyone?), but you will do more damage to the other "party". I want my loved ones to be just as safe, but I truly don't believe in the SUV as the be-all end-all of cars. As for the getting in and out argument that's the thing I absilutely LOVE about these SUVs, but I still believe that anyone not having a medical condition should be able to get in and out of a normal passenger vehicle with ease. Maybe that's just me though. I do have a strong feeling that the SUV era will end as soon as the oil prices get high enough. Now don't get me wrong, if the consumption and pollution problems can be solved (ethanol engines anyone?) the SUV is a perfect vehicle for North America, with its wide-open avenues and huge parking lots. It does not, on the other hand, belong to Europe. I've seen an accident where some stupid soccer mom using a cell phone rammed a stationary Fiat Punto (size of a Geo Metro) at a stoplight. The rear part of the car was MISSING. Now imagine she hit the front of the car.
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Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
I perfectly understand the argument for safety, but the fact is that you won't be any safer in this than in a luxo barge (E55 anyone?), but you will do more damage to the other "party". I want my loved ones to be just as safe, but I truly don't believe in the SUV as the be-all end-all of cars. As for the getting in and out argument that's the thing I absilutely LOVE about these SUVs, but I still believe that anyone not having a medical condition should be able to get in and out of a normal passenger vehicle with ease. Maybe that's just me though. I do have a strong feeling that the SUV era will end as soon as the oil prices get high enough. Now don't get me wrong, if the consumption and pollution problems can be solved (ethanol engines anyone?) the SUV is a perfect vehicle for North America, with its wide-open avenues and huge parking lots. It does not, on the other hand, belong to Europe. I've seen an accident where some stupid soccer mom using a cell phone rammed a stationary Fiat Punto (size of a Geo Metro) at a stoplight. The rear part of the car was MISSING. Now imagine she hit the front of the car.
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elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
I perfectly understand the argument for safety, but the fact is that you won't be any safer in this than in a luxo barge (E55 anyone?), but you will do more damage to the other "party". I want my loved ones to be just as safe, but I truly don't believe in the SUV as the be-all end-all of cars. As for the getting in and out argument that's the thing I absilutely LOVE about these SUVs, but I still believe that anyone not having a medical condition should be able to get in and out of a normal passenger vehicle with ease. Maybe that's just me though. I do have a strong feeling that the SUV era will end as soon as the oil prices get high enough. Now don't get me wrong, if the consumption and pollution problems can be solved (ethanol engines anyone?) the SUV is a perfect vehicle for North America, with its wide-open avenues and huge parking lots. It does not, on the other hand, belong to Europe. I've seen an accident where some stupid soccer mom using a cell phone rammed a stationary Fiat Punto (size of a Geo Metro) at a stoplight. The rear part of the car was MISSING. Now imagine she hit the front of the car.
Well, the ML 55 weighed 2230 kg and the e 55 1835 kg, so theres some extra safety in those kgs allready.. But the most important thing is ofcourse where the "frame" (not sure if thats the right word) of the car is. If a ML smashes into an e55 it will hit it right in the e55s head passanger area, while the ml would take the hit mainly in the passangers feet height..
And about how everyone should be able to get into the e-class, we all seem to want our lives as easy as possible it seems, just consider the rise of automatics even in sport cars Hi Nick
The best way would be to get the 95% of the SUVS never used off road, well, of the road really. But as they are still out there, buying a SUV does indeed improve the safety for the people inside. For the people outside it's another story, but as I said above, that argument is easily "overlooked" compared to the safety of ones family..
elysium
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elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
elysium said:Quote:
Crash said:
The cars are selling because it's become a fashion trend to have one. There is no end to human vanity.
Although thats probobly the most common reason for buying them, they do have some other good aspects as well. These cars are easy to get in and out of (for the most part), the driver sits high and gets a better picture of the traffic (a nice feature for the soccer moms ) and most importantly, thats where you want your kids to be in a crash It's bad for the ones in the other car, but we could easily rationalise away that argument by thinking "what if it hits another SUV or a tree", and thats anyway not going to be nowhere near as important to us as our loved ones. The 63 will be a fast, easy to drive, goodlooking (to the ones who buy it atleast) and SAFE car to transport your family..
elysium
I perfectly understand the argument for safety, but the fact is that you won't be any safer in this than in a luxo barge (E55 anyone?), but you will do more damage to the other "party". I want my loved ones to be just as safe, but I truly don't believe in the SUV as the be-all end-all of cars. As for the getting in and out argument that's the thing I absilutely LOVE about these SUVs, but I still believe that anyone not having a medical condition should be able to get in and out of a normal passenger vehicle with ease. Maybe that's just me though. I do have a strong feeling that the SUV era will end as soon as the oil prices get high enough. Now don't get me wrong, if the consumption and pollution problems can be solved (ethanol engines anyone?) the SUV is a perfect vehicle for North America, with its wide-open avenues and huge parking lots. It does not, on the other hand, belong to Europe. I've seen an accident where some stupid soccer mom using a cell phone rammed a stationary Fiat Punto (size of a Geo Metro) at a stoplight. The rear part of the car was MISSING. Now imagine she hit the front of the car.
Well, the ML 55 weighed 2230 kg and the e 55 1835 kg, so theres some extra safety in those kgs allready.. But the most important thing is ofcourse where the "frame" (not sure if thats the right word) of the car is. If a ML smashes into an e55 it will hit it right in the e55s head passanger area, while the ml would take the hit mainly in the passangers feet height..
And about how everyone should be able to get into the e-class, we all seem to want our lives as easy as possible it seems, just consider the rise of automatics even in sport cars Hi Nick
The best way would be to get the 95% of the SUVS never used off road, well, of the road really. But as they are still out there, buying a SUV does indeed improve the safety for the people inside. For the people outside it's another story, but as I said above, that argument is easily "overlooked" compared to the safety of ones family..
elysium