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Sep 16, 2005 12:28:29 PM
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Re: Jeremyn Clarkson slammed with pie in face by enviromenta
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& some people should learn how to post links that i can just click on...not copy and paste
& some people should employ CMS's returning usable urls
Well, i didn't correct it in hopes that he would edit it, but since you made the comment...here ya go
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Sep 16, 2005 3:33:41 PM
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Sep 16, 2005 3:42:40 PM
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Who is Jeremy Clarkson and why is his picture on rennteam?
He's a British journalist for Top Gear Magazine and TV program. You can find many of the videos on the web. Very entertaining but a very biased reporter (hates German cars for the most part and loves British ones)
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at least carlos's homepage do work!! but urs!!!!!!!??????????
actually, if you look in my profile...it does work
http://people.msoe.edu/~youngs
the site sucks & I haven't done anything with it in a few months...but it works. So you might wanna do your research b4 you shoot your mouth off
Sep 16, 2005 4:47:04 PM
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005420342,,00.html
Pie more likely to have been thrown by an American BMW owner, who probably enjoys caravanning.
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no i am not going to shut my mouth off hahahah!! i mean ur website is emty!! nohting showing there!!!no picuture !! no video!!!! HELP!!!!
well, once you can type a somewhat comprehensible sentence, then why dont you talk to me about helping you
Sep 17, 2005 2:48:14 PM
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Sep 17, 2005 3:15:11 PM
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If I was Jeremy, I would have taken that pie and placed it back on the b's face, making sure the ground is used as leverage on the other side of her head. What a class act these enviro-nazi's are.
I understand their cause and am sympathetic to it, but those few thousand sports cars driving around the world are no comparison to the hordes of gas-guzzling SUVs present just about everywhere. If that whale slapped me with a pie, I would have her 10-year-paycheck by the end of the week.
Sep 17, 2005 4:45:26 PM
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If I was Jeremy, I would have taken that pie and placed it back on the b's face, making sure the ground is used as leverage on the other side of her head. What a class act these enviro-nazi's are.
Agree! WTF- get a life!
Re: Jeremyn Clarkson slammed with pie in face by enviromenta
I certainly do believe that pollution decreases the quality of life, but these "Greens" endorse such things as the notion of global warming due to "greenhouse" gases, one of the more significant intellectual hoaxes of this generation.
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I certainly do believe that pollution decreases the quality of life, but these "Greens" endorse such things as the notion of global warming due to "greenhouse" gases, one of the more significant intellectual hoaxes of this generation.
Spoken by a true patriot of the nation that won't sign the Kyoto Agreement
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I certainly do believe that pollution decreases the quality of life, but these "Greens" endorse such things as the notion of global warming due to "greenhouse" gases, one of the more significant intellectual hoaxes of this generation.
Spoken by a true patriot of the nation that won't sign the Kyoto Agreement
And won't sign precisely for the reason cited in my quote. The reality is that the theory that manmade "greenhouse" gases are causing the earth's atmospheric temperatures to rise above climatological variation is driven by POLITICAL motivation rather than scientific evidence. Its adherents, rather than patiently collecting evidence to support the theory and painstakingly excluding alternative explanations for changes in global temperatures (and confirming that measured temperature changes accurately reflect global thermal trends, and not measuring error, and more importantly, NOT using theoretical models of what the earth's temperatures might be as "DATA" to "PROVE" their theory), instead advocate an outcome before the evidence is in. One can readily conclude that advocates of this theory are practicing "wishful thinking."
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Al Pettee said:And won't sign precisely for the reason cited in my quote. The reality is that the theory that manmade "greenhouse" gases are causing the earth's atmospheric temperatures to rise above climatological variation is driven by POLITICAL motivation rather than scientific evidence.
You are entitled to your own beliefs I suppose.
However:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18625034.800
And what is the political incentive to want to tackle climate change caused by emissions? It's gonna cost money to sort out! Surely that's a DISincentive? Exactly the reason that Bush Didn't want to sign - because it would cost America money. "It would wreck our economy" didn't he say?
I agree that China and India are going to need to sign up too at some point, but it's no reason not to sign up yourself. It's rather childish to say "I'm not going to sign up until everyone else does", especially when your country contributes such a large % of the world's total emissions.
Ostrich it all you like bud.
Re: Jeremyn Clarkson slammed with pie in face by enviromenta
Erm, I don't think that was preaching.
Just responding with some "Scientific Evidence".
My 987S does 28 (UK) mpg average, which isn't too bad.
Could be worse, could be a huge SUV that does 12mpg or less.
Elsewhere in my life (since you poke the finger) I use energy efficient appliances and bulbs wherever possible, and recycle 70% of our trash. I buy locally sourced food wherever possible. It hasn't affected my quality of life to do that.
I just don't know why some Americans are so keen to shout 'Green is Bad'.
Just responding with some "Scientific Evidence".
My 987S does 28 (UK) mpg average, which isn't too bad.
Could be worse, could be a huge SUV that does 12mpg or less.
Elsewhere in my life (since you poke the finger) I use energy efficient appliances and bulbs wherever possible, and recycle 70% of our trash. I buy locally sourced food wherever possible. It hasn't affected my quality of life to do that.
I just don't know why some Americans are so keen to shout 'Green is Bad'.
Re: Jeremyn Clarkson slammed with pie in face by enviromenta
Of course, no sane person wants a polluted environment.I do the same things you do.
Not sure about the UK, but many in the US are amused, weary and cynical of the so called scientific "evidence", and the often violent and destructive tactics used by the greens. We also have our fair share of patently phony celebrities and politicians who preach about conservation but fly all over the world in their private jets and drive in their SUV's and limos.
BTW, didn't the honorable and right Prime Minister Tony Blair also refuse to sign the treaty recently.
Not sure about the UK, but many in the US are amused, weary and cynical of the so called scientific "evidence", and the often violent and destructive tactics used by the greens. We also have our fair share of patently phony celebrities and politicians who preach about conservation but fly all over the world in their private jets and drive in their SUV's and limos.
BTW, didn't the honorable and right Prime Minister Tony Blair also refuse to sign the treaty recently.
Re: Jeremyn Clarkson slammed with pie in face by enviromenta
Guys,
I'm sorry I spouted off, offended those of the "green" persuasion, violated my own proscription and injected politics into this awesome car forum.
I certainly did not mean to denigrate those who advocate control of pollution (of whom I include myself). A good example here in the US is how acidification of the regional atmosphere in the northeast US from midwest and northeast US airborne factory emissions has decreased the pH of nearby freshwater lakes-the so-called "acid rain" effect, with a consequent decline in freshwater fish stocks. The remedy is to simple decrease the emissions from the offending smokestacks.
The anthropogenic "greenhouse" gases theory of global climate change, on the other hand, is a whole other ball of meteorological wax with politics more than science driving the Kyoto "Accord" and rendering it of minimal relevance-even if curbing CO2 emissions were proved to stave off global climatic hyperthermic catastrophe (which is not manifest)-its measures would simply tax US industries to alter CO2 production without reins on other countries such as China and India, and would empower countries other than the US (i.e., many of those on the European continent) to indirectly regulate these industries whose competing firms (e.g., Airbus vs. Boeing in the airline industry) would be at an advantage. No detached advocate of free trade amongst nations would endorse such a treaty.
But let's stay out of the global warming debate (both its theoreical basis and its political underpinnings) since it can't be "won" here, recognize that Americans (and others) who are skeptical of global warming advocates' motives (and believe that their claims of calamity are suspect) are not intellectual "ostriches," and simply enjoy our cars and their wonderful internal combustion engines.
I'm sorry I spouted off, offended those of the "green" persuasion, violated my own proscription and injected politics into this awesome car forum.
I certainly did not mean to denigrate those who advocate control of pollution (of whom I include myself). A good example here in the US is how acidification of the regional atmosphere in the northeast US from midwest and northeast US airborne factory emissions has decreased the pH of nearby freshwater lakes-the so-called "acid rain" effect, with a consequent decline in freshwater fish stocks. The remedy is to simple decrease the emissions from the offending smokestacks.
The anthropogenic "greenhouse" gases theory of global climate change, on the other hand, is a whole other ball of meteorological wax with politics more than science driving the Kyoto "Accord" and rendering it of minimal relevance-even if curbing CO2 emissions were proved to stave off global climatic hyperthermic catastrophe (which is not manifest)-its measures would simply tax US industries to alter CO2 production without reins on other countries such as China and India, and would empower countries other than the US (i.e., many of those on the European continent) to indirectly regulate these industries whose competing firms (e.g., Airbus vs. Boeing in the airline industry) would be at an advantage. No detached advocate of free trade amongst nations would endorse such a treaty.
But let's stay out of the global warming debate (both its theoreical basis and its political underpinnings) since it can't be "won" here, recognize that Americans (and others) who are skeptical of global warming advocates' motives (and believe that their claims of calamity are suspect) are not intellectual "ostriches," and simply enjoy our cars and their wonderful internal combustion engines.
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SVNSVN said:BTW, didn't the honorable and right Prime Minister Tony Blair also refuse to sign the treaty recently.
I agree that extremists don't do much for their cause. I also think that the media (TV and newspaper) is really bad for giving people a distorted veiw of the world. I hate the media!
the UK was one of the founder members of Kyoto - we signed up to the full package years ago! I think Australia and the US are the prime abstainers at the moment. Russia recently joined I think.
http://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/2877.php
Latest thoughts are that the strength (not frequency) of hurricanes has been increasing, due to picking more energy off the hotter ocean. Katrina anyone?
I know that it's very easy to get dulled by over-exposure of the issue, so I understand your viewpoint. But try to be open minded!
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Very interesting.
"Tony Blair Pulls Plug On Kyoto At..." www.techcentralstation.com
Like I said, I hate the media. People's interpretation of information is often coloured by the media source they get their information from. Often people don't bother to listen to what the guy Actually said, and to make their own mind up.
http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/pdf/transcripts/plenary/cgi_09_15_05_plenary_1.pdf
Obviously, people are going to interpret things in a way that fit in with their own views. It's interesting to note that the transcript has Blair also saying
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Now, I don't think all of the answers lie in just - in developing the science and technology, but I do
think there is no way we are going to tackle this problem unless we develop the science and technology
capable of doing it.
And that really brings me to the third point, which is I think the point that you were really raising,
which is, well, how do you create the forces that drive people then to develop the science and technology?
How do you create the markets and the research and the development of this technology so that we can
shorten the timeline so that we're not waiting 25 or 30 years to develop fuel cell technology, so that, for
example, in nuclear fusion, which is now a major issue as well we are developing the technology, so that you
can bring those costs of wind power and solar power down?
How do you do that? And I think that is the issue that the international community needs to address
because we tried at Gleneagles to try and - some people have signed Kyoto, some people haven't signed
Kyoto, right. That is a disagreement. It's there. It's not going to be resolved. But how do we move forward
and ensure that post-Kyoto we do try to get agreement? I think that can only be done by the major players in
this coming together and finding a way for pulling their resources, their information, their science and
technology in order to find the ways of allowing us to grow sustainably?
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In my opinion, Blair is stuck with a tough job. He's got close links with the US government, which he doesn't want to jeapordise, but also is aware that the US, particularly under a Republican lead, isn't going to want to do anything they don't want to do, especially if it's going to 'wreck the economy' (in my interpretation, 'annoy the oil industry'.) So, consider he's speaking on US soil, doesn't want to upset the applecart, but wants to move forward on this issue. He's going to try to take whatever the US want to do, and expand it towards our view as much as he can, rather than the other way around. It's the only way IMHO he's going to get ANYthing to stick. Being a polititian ain't easy! I know that this is my view, and some of you will disagree.
I would urge people to seek out the original sources of information, rather than rely on media reporting. Make your own minds up!
But you're right, this probably isn't the right forum for a debate.
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wtsnet said:I also think that the media (TV and newspaper) is really bad for giving people a distorted veiw of the world. I hate the media!
On TCS, consider:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.confessore.html
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But TCS doesn't just act like a lobbying shop. It's actually published by one--the DCI Group, a prominent Washington "public affairs" firm specializing in P.R., lobbying, and so-called "Astroturf" organizing, generally on behalf of corporations, GOP politicians, and the occasional Third-World despot. The two organizations share most of the same owners, some staff, and even the same suite of offices in downtown Washington, a block off K Street. As it happens, many of DCI's clients are also "sponsors" of the site it houses. TCS not only runs the sponsors' banner ads; its contributors aggressively defend those firms' policy positions, on TCS and elsewhere.
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