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    Aug 24, 2005 9:54:32 PM

    Dr. Phil Offline
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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    chickencurry said:
    Yeah ok...maybe I should just wait for the CLS65!



    All that car will do, is even faster take you to the corners it can't handle.
    Merc= Sublime cruiser. Inferior handling
    Porsche=Sublime handling, impractical cruiser

    You're comparing apples and....lingerie.
    Comparing those two cars isnt fair - to any of them.

    Aug 24, 2005 10:10:40 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    but the buyer base to which CLS is prob best attuned is the "ladies-that-lunch" crowd (and guys whose wives drive car purchase decisions )....and the interior looks like Jag designed it ....



    I agree - Mercedes is for women.





    I'd agree CLS is for chicks. But, in Manhattan, one of favorite rides for "masters of the universe" is a blk 600 w/driver. And in SilicVy SL55/65 is a favorite commuter car for many titans who have a few cars/planes/boats ....and IMO steering on SL55 is sharper than that of any M3/5 I've driven ....though I agree that the CL and S55/65 have anesthetized steering....

    Aug 24, 2005 10:10:40 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    ajcastaneda said:
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    VKSF said:
    but the buyer base to which CLS is prob best attuned is the "ladies-that-lunch" crowd (and guys whose wives drive car purchase decisions )....and the interior looks like Jag designed it ....



    I agree - Mercedes is for women.





    I'd agree CLS is for chicks. But, in Manhattan, one of favorite rides for "masters of the universe" is a blk 600 w/driver. And in SilicVy SL55/65 is a favorite commuter car for many titans who have a few cars/planes/boats ....and IMO steering on SL55 is sharper than that of any M3/5 I've driven ....though I agree that the CL and S55/65 have anesthetized steering....

    Aug 24, 2005 10:26:29 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    chickencurry said:
    May have a chance to look at a CLS55 at dealer this week. Probably won't get a test drive. They are different cars of course, but how does the drive experience compare?



    Comparing apples to oranges, chicken meat to a porterhouse steak, etc., not really possible I'm afraid.
    If you're living in a country with an Autobahn without speed limit and if you're very often on that Autobahn and/or enjoy a lot of comfort with reduced wind noise, almost no engine sound, etc., the CLS55 is the right car for you.

    The 997 Carrera S is a sportscar, 100% pure blood.
    On the straight line, you don't have many chances against a CLS55 in the upper 160 kph speed range (below that, the 997 CS has an advantage due to superior traction and a less intrusive traction/ESP system) but on all other driving occasions, the 997 is by far superior and provides more fun.

    I came to a final (personal) conclusion: I have to decide what I want and I found the perfect "trio" for me.
    997 Carrera S for real fun, Cayenne Turbo Powerkit for moving the family and those days I just want to relax, Boxster S with Tiptronic and sport chrono for sunny days in the city and on little country roads.
    The 997 Carrera S will be replaced next year or so by the 997 Turbo S. Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding) BUT they don't build sportscars and even my wife, a real SLK fanatic (until she got the Boxster S... ) and somebody who doesn't care too much about how a car is driving, acknowledged that Porsche is a different kind of car, it touches the senses and provides a "happy" feeling, as funny as this may sound.

    I don't know how old you are but if you're under 60, you can drive a CLS55 when you're OVER 60. Enjoy life.

    Aug 24, 2005 10:26:29 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Quote:
    chickencurry said:
    May have a chance to look at a CLS55 at dealer this week. Probably won't get a test drive. They are different cars of course, but how does the drive experience compare?



    Comparing apples to oranges, chicken meat to a porterhouse steak, etc., not really possible I'm afraid.
    If you're living in a country with an Autobahn without speed limit and if you're very often on that Autobahn and/or enjoy a lot of comfort with reduced wind noise, almost no engine sound, etc., the CLS55 is the right car for you.

    The 997 Carrera S is a sportscar, 100% pure blood.
    On the straight line, you don't have many chances against a CLS55 in the upper 160 kph speed range (below that, the 997 CS has an advantage due to superior traction and a less intrusive traction/ESP system) but on all other driving occasions, the 997 is by far superior and provides more fun.

    I came to a final (personal) conclusion: I have to decide what I want and I found the perfect "trio" for me.
    997 Carrera S for real fun, Cayenne Turbo Powerkit for moving the family and those days I just want to relax, Boxster S with Tiptronic and sport chrono for sunny days in the city and on little country roads.
    The 997 Carrera S will be replaced next year or so by the 997 Turbo S. Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding) BUT they don't build sportscars and even my wife, a real SLK fanatic (until she got the Boxster S... ) and somebody who doesn't care too much about how a car is driving, acknowledged that Porsche is a different kind of car, it touches the senses and provides a "happy" feeling, as funny as this may sound.

    I don't know how old you are but if you're under 60, you can drive a CLS55 when you're OVER 60. Enjoy life.

    Aug 25, 2005 12:57:40 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    Dr. Phil said:
    Porsche=Sublime handling, impractical cruiser



    It's all about the balance you are willing to accept. Most Porsches are quite civil for cruising around IMO. I'm sure you wouldn't mind driving your Boxster around all day.

    - J

    Aug 25, 2005 12:57:40 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    Dr. Phil said:
    Porsche=Sublime handling, impractical cruiser



    It's all about the balance you are willing to accept. Most Porsches are quite civil for cruising around IMO. I'm sure you wouldn't mind driving your Boxster around all day.

    - J

    Aug 25, 2005 2:39:48 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting



    RC, I hope you're not talking about the R class.

    Aug 25, 2005 2:39:48 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting



    RC, I hope you're not talking about the R class.

    Aug 25, 2005 3:26:23 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Quote:
    chickencurry said:
    Yeah ok...maybe I should just wait for the CLS65!



    All that car will do, is even faster take you to the corners it can't handle.
    Merc= Sublime cruiser. Inferior handling
    Porsche=Sublime handling, impractical cruiser

    You're comparing apples and....lingerie.
    Comparing those two cars isnt fair - to any of them.




    That's about it!

    Aug 25, 2005 3:26:23 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Quote:
    chickencurry said:
    Yeah ok...maybe I should just wait for the CLS65!



    All that car will do, is even faster take you to the corners it can't handle.
    Merc= Sublime cruiser. Inferior handling
    Porsche=Sublime handling, impractical cruiser

    You're comparing apples and....lingerie.
    Comparing those two cars isnt fair - to any of them.




    That's about it!

    Aug 25, 2005 3:30:56 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    RC said:
    Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding)



    I've heard a lot of rumors about the new 63 engine going into the SLK. Has there been any confirmation of this. I never thought they would do it, but I don't know what they're planning right now.

    Aug 25, 2005 3:30:56 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    RC said:
    Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding)



    I've heard a lot of rumors about the new 63 engine going into the SLK. Has there been any confirmation of this. I never thought they would do it, but I don't know what they're planning right now.

    Aug 25, 2005 6:19:09 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    the 63 engine is also going into the S63 don't know about SLK yet

    Aug 25, 2005 6:19:09 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    the 63 engine is also going into the S63 don't know about SLK yet

    Aug 25, 2005 6:45:42 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Credit to Mercedes though for making some interesting engines...who doesn't love a V8, especially a high capacity, high torque, high power, sophisticated V8.

    Aug 25, 2005 6:45:42 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Credit to Mercedes though for making some interesting engines...who doesn't love a V8, especially a high capacity, high torque, high power, sophisticated V8.

    Aug 25, 2005 6:55:23 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    M5 > CLS55

    Aug 25, 2005 6:55:23 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    M5 > CLS55

    Aug 25, 2005 7:48:32 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    chickencurry said:
    May have a chance to look at a CLS55 at dealer this week. Probably won't get a test drive. They are different cars of course, but how does the drive experience compare?



    Comparing apples to oranges, chicken meat to a porterhouse steak, etc., not really possible I'm afraid.
    If you're living in a country with an Autobahn without speed limit and if you're very often on that Autobahn and/or enjoy a lot of comfort with reduced wind noise, almost no engine sound, etc., the CLS55 is the right car for you.

    The 997 Carrera S is a sportscar, 100% pure blood.
    On the straight line, you don't have many chances against a CLS55 in the upper 160 kph speed range (below that, the 997 CS has an advantage due to superior traction and a less intrusive traction/ESP system) but on all other driving occasions, the 997 is by far superior and provides more fun.

    I came to a final (personal) conclusion: I have to decide what I want and I found the perfect "trio" for me.
    997 Carrera S for real fun, Cayenne Turbo Powerkit for moving the family and those days I just want to relax, Boxster S with Tiptronic and sport chrono for sunny days in the city and on little country roads.
    The 997 Carrera S will be replaced next year or so by the 997 Turbo S. Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding) BUT they don't build sportscars and even my wife, a real SLK fanatic (until she got the Boxster S... ) and somebody who doesn't care too much about how a car is driving, acknowledged that Porsche is a different kind of car, it touches the senses and provides a "happy" feeling, as funny as this may sound.

    I don't know how old you are but if you're under 60, you can drive a CLS55 when you're OVER 60. Enjoy life.



    RC...Your holliday on the french riviera seems to have inspired you very well..... euh, expect maybe for this Mercedes attraction ...Please don't go down that road!!

    Aug 25, 2005 7:48:32 AM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    chickencurry said:
    May have a chance to look at a CLS55 at dealer this week. Probably won't get a test drive. They are different cars of course, but how does the drive experience compare?



    Comparing apples to oranges, chicken meat to a porterhouse steak, etc., not really possible I'm afraid.
    If you're living in a country with an Autobahn without speed limit and if you're very often on that Autobahn and/or enjoy a lot of comfort with reduced wind noise, almost no engine sound, etc., the CLS55 is the right car for you.

    The 997 Carrera S is a sportscar, 100% pure blood.
    On the straight line, you don't have many chances against a CLS55 in the upper 160 kph speed range (below that, the 997 CS has an advantage due to superior traction and a less intrusive traction/ESP system) but on all other driving occasions, the 997 is by far superior and provides more fun.

    I came to a final (personal) conclusion: I have to decide what I want and I found the perfect "trio" for me.
    997 Carrera S for real fun, Cayenne Turbo Powerkit for moving the family and those days I just want to relax, Boxster S with Tiptronic and sport chrono for sunny days in the city and on little country roads.
    The 997 Carrera S will be replaced next year or so by the 997 Turbo S. Mercedes has VERY interesting cars now and it gets even more interesting (SLK 63 AMG with that 510 HP engine, no kidding) BUT they don't build sportscars and even my wife, a real SLK fanatic (until she got the Boxster S... ) and somebody who doesn't care too much about how a car is driving, acknowledged that Porsche is a different kind of car, it touches the senses and provides a "happy" feeling, as funny as this may sound.

    I don't know how old you are but if you're under 60, you can drive a CLS55 when you're OVER 60. Enjoy life.



    RC...Your holliday on the french riviera seems to have inspired you very well..... euh, expect maybe for this Mercedes attraction ...Please don't go down that road!!

    Sep 14, 2005 4:46:34 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    dont believe that '4 door coupe' nonsense.



    Me too but we might just have to eat our words when the Panamera comes out. From the photoshop pics, it looks great...hope it handles well too.

    Sep 14, 2005 4:46:34 PM

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    Re: Anyone driven 997s and CLS55 AMG?

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    dont believe that '4 door coupe' nonsense.



    Me too but we might just have to eat our words when the Panamera comes out. From the photoshop pics, it looks great...hope it handles well too.
     
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