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Sep 12, 2005 12:53:41 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004

Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

If Porsche break-in procedure, as written in the owner's manual, were to be strictly adhered to, then why is there no mention of the use of the Sport Button?

Presumably pushing the Sport Button leads to greater abuse of the new engine even if the revs are kept below 4000, right? Strange that there's no mention of Sport Button use in the break-in recommendations.

So, if you have an engine without the Sport Button and you follow the rules of 2000 miles under 4000 rpm, you're following a double standard with the engine who gets "abused" with the Sport Button yet follows the same reccos.

Sport Button does what, exactly? It changes throttle response and makes the engine work harder since it creates an automatic "lead foot" which is NOT recommended when breaking-in an engine.

Hummmmm, I wonder... .

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Sep 12, 2005 1:02:18 AM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

I would think the sport button makes it easier to abuse the engine but, if you follow the rules about RPM and engine load, it shouldn't make any difference.

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Sep 12, 2005 3:38:27 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

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LOL! From the lack of interest in this issue I'm glad to conclude the heated controversy over apparent inconsistencies in Porsche's break-in reccomendations is over.

Hey, LowPolarMoment, thanks for the input. I guess the increased load is what I'm "worried" about. You'd think that's something bad for a new engine? I dunno, unless the Sport Button was hot-glued in the "on" position, maybe it all averages out eventually.

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Sep 12, 2005 6:45:24 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

Re the sport buton MMD. I'm not fuly run-in yet so I've not given it any proper use but I did try it. The Sport setting on the PASM comes on too but it doesn't feel like anything has happened. On my M3, when you hit the sport button at a constant throttle you could feel a little dig in the back, and it was instantly noticable when you started putting your foot down. With my 997 I tried accelerating from 2000 to 4000 revs (smartly, but not thrashing it), then slowed down, put on the sport and did the same thing again. Didn't notice any difference at all. Do you need to be really flying to feel it?

br d

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Sep 12, 2005 7:08:31 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: br d

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

Running the sport button during break-in isn't going to do anything. It makes the car more alert-running, but it's nothing measurable enough to cause the engine any strain. You're worrying about hammering a brand-new anvil with a popsicle stick in this case, IMHO.

br d, just turn on the sport and leave it on, and drive with some spirit. The difference is easily noticeable. Doing what you did, just 2,000-4,000 rpm, is no test at all, the motor hardly had a chance to gulp a breath of air.

You guys are treating these cars like such fragile flowers LOL!!!. ENJOY yourselves some more!!! It's cool to want to do a judicious break-in, but you don't have to treat break-in like a prison term. If it were so incredibly detail-to-the-rpm-critical, it wouldn't vary from region to region, and Porsche wouldn't entrust the owners (i.e. knuckleheads like you and me) to perform it.

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Sep 12, 2005 7:57:48 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

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Yeah sod it. Next time I drive her I am going to go for it a bit. I'm just under a thousand miles now and I've been very good. I've got the manual here and it just says (in summary), don't run high revs when cold, don't do frequent cold starts and don't participate in racing events during the first 1800 miles. Nothing about 4200 revs (where did that come from!). It's time to open her legs a bit (if you'll forgive the expression). In fact, I'm going out right now. It's dark, but I'll stick to some well lit main roads and just push her a bit harder.

See you soon!

Oh, and if it blows up, it's your fault boss!!!!

br d

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Sep 12, 2005 8:06:12 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: br d

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

If it blows up, you can have my motor LOL!!!!

BTW, the 4,200 rpm thing comes from the USA owner's manual.

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Sep 12, 2005 8:47:25 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

JESUS H FEEKING CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!

72 Grand?! 72 GRAND!!!!!!!
Worth
Every
Last
Penny!!!

That was absolutely brilliant!! F**k it just leaps at the road. I put the sport on as I pulled onto a long two lane road, floored it, and by the time I got to fourth I thought "What's wrong with the bloody road!!" I'd slowed right down before I realised it was the car tightening up and hunkering down!

Man the power is a blast. It feels so different from my M3, can't really explain it. The M felt quick, this feels....fast, grunty, like the cars been kicked up the arse by a giant!!
Mate that was fun. I only hit redline once going through the gears. And that noise!!! It just howls like a demon-spawned beast! Sh!t I need to calm down here

And the stink! I thought it smelled before but that was nothing, I thought the thing had caught fire!

What a buzz, that was f**king primeval and no mistake. I understand now when people say you have to drive a 911. It felt really stabloe on the bends but less forgiving than what I'm used to, like I had to really concentrate.

I just looked at the clock, I was only out there 25 minutes!

I can hear her ticking away on the drive.

What a buzz.

br d

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Sep 12, 2005 9:05:09 PM

Fred 993C4S: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 86, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2004; Reply to: br d

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

This narration brought a smile to my face! Congrats!

Quote:
br d said:
JESUS H FEEKING CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!

72 Grand?! 72 GRAND!!!!!!!
Worth
Every
Last
Penny!!!

That was absolutely brilliant!! F**k it just leaps at the road. I put the sport on as I pulled onto a long two lane road, floored it, and by the time I got to fourth I thought "What's wrong with the bloody road!!" I'd slowed right down before I realised it was the car tightening up and hunkering down!

Man the power is a blast. It feels so different from my M3, can't really explain it. The M felt quick, this feels....fast, grunty, like the cars been kicked up the arse by a giant!!
Mate that was fun. I only hit redline once going through the gears. And that noise!!! It just howls like a demon-spawned beast! Sh!t I need to calm down here

And the stink! I thought it smelled before but that was nothing, I thought the thing had caught fire!

What a buzz, that was f**king primeval and no mistake. I understand now when people say you have to drive a 911. It felt really stabloe on the bends but less forgiving than what I'm used to, like I had to really concentrate.

I just looked at the clock, I was only out there 25 minutes!

I can hear her ticking away on the drive.

What a buzz.

br d

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Sep 12, 2005 9:11:05 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: br d

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

Quote:
br d said:
72 Grand?! 72 GRAND!!!!!!!
Worth
Every
Last
Penny!!!

That was absolutely brilliant!! F**k it just leaps at the road. I put the sport on as I pulled onto a long two lane road, floored it, and by the time I got to fourth I thought "What's wrong with the bloody road!!" I'd slowed right down before I realised it was the car tightening up and hunkering down!

Man the power is a blast. It feels so different from my M3, can't really explain it. The M felt quick, this feels....fast, grunty, like the cars been kicked up the arse by a giant!!
Mate that was fun. I only hit redline once going through the gears. And that noise!!! It just howls like a demon-spawned beast! Sh!t I need to calm down here

What a buzz.

So how long have you actually had this car before you experienced this revelation?

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Sep 12, 2005 9:13:40 PM

1Gunner: Junior; Loc: Down by the river in a van! , Canada; Posts: 76, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Fred 993C4S

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

br d , nothing like a Porsche-induced shot of adrenoline to the ol' CNS, eh?.....
IMO it's the best drug in the world, and it's completely legal!!!

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Sep 12, 2005 9:17:37 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: 1Gunner

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1Gunner said:
IMO it's the best drug in the world, and it's completely legal!!!

Well, that can depend on how quickly you use it......

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Sep 13, 2005 4:31:06 AM

krC2S: Junior; Loc: Boston,USA; Posts: 122, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 30, 2005; Reply to: fritz

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

about the sport button all the caution in break-in from an engineering point of view is the actual load and speed at which the engine is run..the fact that the throttle sensitivity is higher mean NOTHING as long as the same load or rpm are used..as far as the engine is concerned u r just requiring the same action

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Sep 13, 2005 9:45:05 AM

ACA: Junior; Loc: UK; Posts: 52, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 15, 2005; Reply to: krC2S

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

I remember 10 years ago I had a rip with a TVR Griff in my Renualt 5GT Turbo and I was knowwhere he just powered away from me. Although technically I am still in break in period (1500miles done) I could not resist a little rip with a TVR Griffith 500 yesterday. I was following, he floored it and I followed. I was suprised how quick he was (Those Grif 500 are quick in a straight line) I just couldn't hold back and soon found I was on his tail, at the first bend, I came so scarily close to him as he slowed so much for the bend. He didn,t appear to have the same level of confidence with his grip level in the corners. I did overtake him, but i think that was due to my knowing the passing point on the road and confidence in handling rather than shear horsepower pass. It was great fun, sport button was on and -20mm giving streams of info through the steering wheel. Driving the 997S to work has become the highlight of my day!!!!

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Sep 13, 2005 1:10:59 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: br d

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Sep 13, 2005 1:21:25 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

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BTW, br d, you REALLY should get your car into service regarding that smell. Quite honestly, I don't get a whiff of odd odor from my 997S, and I drive quite spiritedly. But also (if I can toot my own horn a bit) I'm damn artistic with a clutch pedal. The trick is quick engagement, with perfect throttle modulation such that you're not bucking the driveline. In any case, you've got a burning clutch, or mal-adjusting clutch, or a heat shield that's not in place, or cosmoline gooped into places that it shouldn't have gotten, or something.... I don't have these smells that you and others are speaking of.

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Sep 13, 2005 3:14:17 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: Break-In Period and The Sport Button.

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69bossnine said:
BTW, br d, you REALLY should get your car into service regarding that smell. Quite honestly, I don't get a whiff of odd odor from my 997S, and I drive quite spiritedly. But also (if I can toot my own horn a bit) I'm damn artistic with a clutch pedal. The trick is quick engagement, with perfect throttle modulation such that you're not bucking the driveline. In any case, you've got a burning clutch, or mal-adjusting clutch, or a heat shield that's not in place, or cosmoline gooped into places that it shouldn't have gotten, or something.... I don't have these smells that you and others are speaking of.

Reading here it seems a few people had a smelly car for a while so i think I'll give it till 1500 and then see how it is. If it's still odorous then I'll take your advice mate.

How typical is this. I just start to enjoy the car and now we going to get fuel blockades tomorrow. You can't get near any of the garages round my way for queues and the only place that does Optimax says they won't be making it's supply a high priority. Plus there's all the grief of getting diesel for my work trucks. We had one of these about 5 years ago and we couldn't get fuel for a week.

br d

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Sep 13, 2005 3:31:43 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: 69bossnine

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69bossnine said:
You're worrying about hammering a brand-new anvil with a popsicle stick in this case, IMHO.

LOL. Funny. Thanks for the blast of surrealist imagery.

Here's a follow up. If that popsicle stick were moving at 200,000 mph when it hit the anvil it would make a dent. We must specify ALL conditions when forging a metaphor or else people will find a way around it... . LOL, just goofing off!

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Sep 13, 2005 5:30:17 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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Only if the foresaid popsicle stick were traveling in the vacuum of space. If it were travelling 200,000 mph within our atmosphere, it would spontaneously combust...

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