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Sep 4, 2005 5:01:32 PM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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Carlos from Spain said:
Fernando was the fastest of the non-McLaren cars on the race

Finally we agree!
And finally you acknowledge that Feminando is getting owned by Kimi and Monty.
"The fastest non-McL driver..."????
You mean "He is faster than anybody else...expect for those who are faster than him"??? This makes no sense.
Why not say.."Homonso is the fastest non-Kimi driver."?
That would be more accurate.

That would also make him the 3rd fastest driver in F1...which is my point exactly: It's sad that the 3rd fastest driver can win a championship.
Yes, his car definately outLASTS Kimi's. No doubt about that.

Wouldn't it be more fun to get a champ that actually outDROVE the rest...not just outLASTED them??

Feminando will most likely claim the title. Hard pressed I realize this.

I jus find it sad that it isn't the fastest or most entertaining driver that wins.
And I really dont care if he's Finnish, Spanish, Turkish or any other nationality.
I actually had Monty as my favourite for a few seasons until I got tired of wathing his aggressive and braindead driving and seeing him retire.
Allahando is just as boring as Schumi, albeit not nearly as effective and skilled IMO.
I hope most people watch F1 to see exciting fights, clever tactics and brilliant maneuvers.
It's not Homondo's fault that the McLarens break down, and you cant win if your material isnt working.
But winning based on other drivers' bad fortune is a hollow victory in my book.
I would think you'd have more reason to celebrate Feminando's championship, if you knew he was not just the least unlucky driver, but also the best.

I'm looking forward to next week.
More opportunities for McL to break down.... and of course a crucial day for Homonso and Kimi....and for Carlito and Pip Dop Diddy Pid!

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Sep 4, 2005 5:30:15 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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Dr. Phil said:
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Carlos from Spain said:
...when a driver gets out of the pit stop after pumping 100kg of fuel into the tank and gets passed by another driver who is running on an empty tank before his pit stop, its hardly called an overtake or worth getting exited about its Formula One 101 basics.

Right. So very true.
And the fact that Kimi gained 7 places (despite extra pitstop and spinning on the track) while Homonso wasnt even close to gaining one single spot despite Monty's tyre problem was just..smart planning from Feminando.

Wow! This Feminando is truly a clever driver.
Lol!

Ok, Formula One 102 lesson: Fernando could not gain seven places because he was already second fron the first lap, the only place he could of gained was Monty's but obviuosly that wasn't going to happen since the McLaren car was faster than anything else on the track. By the time Monty got what looked like a delaminatioon problem on his rear right tire at the end of the race, Alonso was too far away to catch up even though he almost did by the lasp lap.

The reason that Alonso was too far back, Monty and Alonso mantained an aprox 9 seconds gap during the whole race, is because Alonso did not try to push to close that gap 9 second gap because the second place was more than enough to practicaly put the championship title on his lap, and was not worth risking the engine for the small chance of just 2 points more of first place.

If you paid attention to the revs at which each driver was shifting at, you would see that Alonso once had secured the second place was shifting at only 17,000RPM with tells you he was in "save the engine" mode in order to preserve the engine for the next race, since they are all going to be reusing this engine for the next race, which on top of it happens to be Spa, another of the fastest track of the season that is very hard on the engines and why thats so important.

Thats also why Alonso barely did any miles this weekend with the engine in practice, much bellow normal, in order to save the engine and have more reliability to be able to score points for the cahmpionship intead of risking it all for first place in the race.

Inspite of it he still he managed to bring it in second place, while Kimi damaged the oputside of a tire on the sharp and tall kerbs of Monza and afterwords spun off the track as he hit another kerb. So while Kimi did the SAME pit stops as Alonso and Montoya, not one more, (they all did 2 stops) he managed 4th, but far behind though.

So you can say that again, "Fernando is truly a clever driver", as you can see by his driver/racing history, and by how he has driven this season on a Renault with races like today's.

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Sep 4, 2005 6:08:20 PM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

1) Both Kimi and Monty had the SAME tyre problem, and were the ONLY drivers to have this problem, so I believe the Michelin + McL combination was at fault. Not Kimi's and Monty's driving style.

2) Kimi's 2nd pitstop was ONLY a tyre change. NO fuel. He was on a onestop strategy. If gaining 7 places in a 2-stint race where he also spins off and has to pit for a tyrechange isn't worth giving credit in your book, I really dont know where you will EVER give credit.

3) Feminando drove sensibly, not pushing his car. This makes total sense to me. True. I'm just asking for more entertainment - that he had battled Monty instead of plying it THAT safe.

4) McL has the fastest package. Reneault has the most sensible.
Flavio does a brilliant job tactically and the team is awesome in the pits.
But if you argue that anyone could drive a McLaren to victory because it's very fast, I could just as easily argue that anyone could win a championship in a Renault, since they have such a brilliant team.
Neither is true.

You still see Allahando's (likely) victory as a result of clever driving.
I see it as a result of clever teamwork and seriously bad luck and poor reliability for the fastest team in F1.

I don't believe Renault is winning the championship.
I believe McLaren is losing it.
There's a pretty big difference IMO.

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Sep 4, 2005 6:09:35 PM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

BTW: What's a 102 lesson?

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Sep 4, 2005 6:51:01 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

Why do I bother

you remind me of that movie with DeNiro and Denzel Wasington... called "fan" or something? you are DeNiro and Alonso is Denzel

1) Difference is Montaya's tire lasted the whole race and Kimi's not even half of it, a situation which sounds familiar.

2) Kimi has no extra stops compared to Montoya or Alonso, even though his intital intention was to stop only once and did not put fuel in one of them. Kimi has to be grateful that he is in the only car in the lineup that could do a one-pit strategy in Monza to compensate. Alonso had to do an extra pit-stop in Hungary because Ralp Schumacher chopped his front wing off, but with a Renault he didn't even have a chance of scoring any points anymore, it basically ended his race in lap one, all he could do is to finish the best he could for nexts GP's qualifying session. Thats a lot of championship points he had to give up because he didn't have a car such as the McLaren which allows you to shorten a pit stop.

3) Fernando is not going to sacrifice the World Formula Championship in order to entertain you

4) So know its not luck anymore, it team strategcs

The Renault team are not precisely known for the good choices in "team" strategies, they lost a couple of races this year just because of team strategics alone. And last season is even a better example. Ferrari are the best team strategics by far.

You can see it as Alonso winning the championship, or every other team loosing it. Same thing in the end, best man wins

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Sep 4, 2005 6:54:10 PM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

Phil Hill was World Champion in 1961 with a grand total of two victories. Flavio said they could make the car faster if they didn't care about finishing the race. Consistency, my dear Dr. Phil, conistency.

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Sep 4, 2005 7:42:49 PM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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Carlos from Spain said:
Why do I bother you remind me of that movie with DeNiro and Denzel Wasington... called "fan" or something? you are DeNiro and Alonso is Denzel

1) Difference is Montaya's tire lasted the whole race and Kimi's not even half of it, a situation which sounds familiar.

2) Kimi has no extra stops compared to Montoya or Alonso, even though his intital intention was to stop only once and did not put fuel in one of them. Kimi has to be grateful that he is in the only car in the lineup that could do a one-pit strategy in Monza to compensate. Alonso had to do an extra pit-stop in Hungary because Ralp Schumacher chopped his front wing off, but with a Renault he didn't even have a chance of scoring any points anymore, it basically ended his race in lap one, all he could do is to finish the best he could for nexts GP's qualifying session. Thats a lot of championship points he had to give up because he didn't have a car such as the McLaren which allows you to shorten a pit stop.

3) Fernando is not going to sacrifice the World Formula Championship in order to entertain you

4) So know its not luck anymore, it team strategcs The Renault team are not precisely known for the good choices in "team" strategies, they lost a couple of races this year just because of team strategics alone. And last season is even a better example. Ferrari are the best team strategics by far.

You can see it as Alonso winning the championship, or every other team loosing it. Same thing in the end, best man wins

Ok, at least youre just as irrational as I am being accused of. Thats a relief.

A short summary of your "rational" arguments.
*Homondo wins all by himself.
*His team cant plan strategies.
*Kimi isnt unlucky, he just wears down the McLarens.
*When Allahando has to pit unplanned it's just his bad luck that he doesnt have the (unfair) advantage of driving a faster McL.
* The fact that both McLarens had tire problems is irrelevant.
* Kimi's extra pitstop due to tire problems didnt mean anything because Allahando also had 2 stops. The fact that Allahando was running light and on a different strategy is irrelevant.

Did I leave something out?

Wouldnt it be easier and faster for you to simply write:
"Allahando is king because he is spanish like myself"?
Of course, it wouldn't sound so technical and knowledgable, but at least that would make more sense.

And it was Wesley Snipes, not Denzel in "The Fan".
And the fan was obsessing about meeting and befriending the baseball star.
I'm not sure I'm all that keen on getting to know and befriend Feminando.
But perhaps others are...? Perhaps someone in here is projecting his deep desires onto old Doc Phil?

Someday, Carlos, we need to sit down and watch a race together.
I'm sure THAT would be highly entertaining!!

I mean...we're bothing making a lot of sense....all we need is beer!

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Sep 4, 2005 8:56:22 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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Dr. Phil said:
Someday, Carlos, we need to sit down and watch a race together.
I'm sure THAT would be highly entertaining!!
I mean...we're bothing making a lot of sense....all we need is beer!

Now, that would be fun!!

... and I rekon quite entertaining to those watching us both wacth the race together

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Sep 4, 2005 9:02:38 PM

brunner: Veteran; Loc: E. Europe , Romania; Posts: 1125, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2003; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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LowPolarMoment said:
Phil Hill was World Champion in 1961 with a grand total of two victories. Flavio said they could make the car faster if they didn't care about finishing the race. Consistency, my dear Dr. Phil, conistency.

"In order to finish first, you must first finish"

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Sep 4, 2005 9:07:10 PM

Dr. Phil: Rennteam Master; Loc: Denmark , Denmark; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 30, 2004; Reply to: brunner

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brunner said:
"In order to finish first, you must first finish"

Hehe...so very true.

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Sep 4, 2005 10:07:04 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Dr. Phil

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

Kimi will never be champion.

He lacks something,

A Tow Rope!

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Sep 4, 2005 11:53:54 PM

DamienL: Veteran; Loc: Ontario, Canada; Posts: 890, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 14, 2005; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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JimFlat6 said:
Kimi will never be champion.

He lacks something,

A Tow Rope!

That's really the way it's been this season.
I was happy to see Montoya win today, and even happier that he didn't spin during the last few laps, or blow a tire, or blow an engine and give Fernando another 2 'bonus' championship points.
Kimi drove an excellent race from mid-pack all the way up to 4th, even with a spin.
Alonso, I must admit even though I'm a Kimi fan, had a very solid race today also, he really did drive flawlessly.

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Sep 5, 2005 7:07:12 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: DamienL

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

Was a fun race, Kimi was man of the race. But Alonso did what he had to do, finish and get his points, no risk taking..

Mclaren should be able to get the constructors title though..

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Sep 6, 2005 12:46:35 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: 993Targa

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Well since all those faggots in charge of F1 rules and regulations changed F1 to what it is today, its logically that the fastest team isnt going to win anymore.. They finally manmaged to get Schumi of winning, but in doing so they really [censored] the F1 up forever.. Its sad to see an unexperienced driver win F1 while his only competitor is one that just doesnt have it..

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Sep 6, 2005 11:58:26 AM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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Atzporsche said:
Well since all those faggots in charge of F1 rules and regulations changed F1 to what it is today, its logically that the fastest team isnt going to win anymore.. They finally manmaged to get Schumi of winning, but in doing so they really [censored] the F1 up forever.. Its sad to see an unexperienced driver win F1 while his only competitor is one that just doesnt have it..

It was never that the fastest car won. Alain Prost had 33 poles and 51 wins. It's called being a good racer as opposed to being the fastest driver. Eighth place is worth one point more than pole position. That's why they run the race and not just qualifying.

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Sep 6, 2005 12:30:24 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

Re: F1: Kimi unlucky again.

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LowPolarMoment said:
It was never that the fastest car won. Alain Prost had 33 poles and 51 wins. It's called being a good racer as opposed to being the fastest driver. Eighth place is worth one point more than pole position. That's why they run the race and not just qualifying.

That what you very eloquently exposed is something not many people realize, especially in the car racing world. Its more evindent in motorcycle racing since the vehicle does not play such an important rolo in the results and there are greater performance difference between the racers.

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