DSG - Sequential Shifting Rumor Update
It is possible however that DSG will show up on the 997 GT3, maybe with some delay.
Aug 31, 2005 8:29:16 PM
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Aug 31, 2005 8:53:31 PM
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69bossnine said:
I just said "just" three times in 2 sentences. It's just not my day for writing. I'll just stop now.
Aug 31, 2005 8:55:44 PM
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RC said:
First it seems that our user "turbolite" was right, no DSG in the first 997 Turbo production year, maybe not even in the second. Right now the DSG is not capable of coping with the 997 Turbo torque. Rumors indicate over 600 Nm of torque CONSTANTLY between 1000 and 6000 rpm. Wow!
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RC said:
First it seems that our user "turbolite" was right, no DSG in the first 997 Turbo production year, maybe not even in the second. Right now the DSG is not capable of coping with the 997 Turbo torque. Rumors indicate over 600 Nm of torque CONSTANTLY between 1000 and 6000 rpm. Wow!
If my math is correct, 600nm is about 440ft-lbs (about the same as the 996TS, right?). Pulling from 1,000 rpm will be pretty stunning. I guess that would be due to the new variable vane on the turbo housing?
Sep 1, 2005 12:00:53 AM
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69bossnine said:
I've driven DSG, and I don't care if I can turn faster lap times with it. No clutch, no shifter, no fun. I just got no satisfaction or fun factor out of the DSG, and I was on a road course with it. It just made me feel like I could have just as much on my $199 PlayStation 2.
Sep 1, 2005 12:14:07 AM
Sep 1, 2005 1:05:05 AM
Sep 1, 2005 6:13:26 AM
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69bossnine said:
I've driven DSG, and I don't care if I can turn faster lap times with it. No clutch, no shifter, no fun. I just got no satisfaction or fun factor out of the DSG, and I was on a road course with it. It just made me feel like I could have just as much on my $199 PlayStation 2.
Sep 1, 2005 10:08:51 AM
Sep 1, 2005 12:45:09 PM
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Danny G said:
This is just ridiculous, Porsche is going to be the last sports car manufacturer , actually probably the last car manufacturer to offer a sequential-type gearbox, just why are they so slack?
It's just so frustrating.
Sep 1, 2005 12:46:41 PM
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Danny G said:
This is just ridiculous, Porsche is going to be the last sports car manufacturer , actually probably the last car manufacturer to offer a sequential-type gearbox, just why are they so slack?
It's just so frustrating.
Sep 1, 2005 1:25:10 PM
Sep 1, 2005 1:48:16 PM
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Moogle said:
the thing about DSG is that it makes the car so easy and effortless to drive. slap it into automatic mode, try to ignore the few occasions where the computer is caught off guard, and you have yourself the convience of a slushbox auto without the embarrasment of driving one.
Sep 1, 2005 2:55:43 PM
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Sep 1, 2005 3:52:23 PM
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69bossnine said:
How's THAT for a morning rant!!!!
Sep 1, 2005 4:07:21 PM
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69bossnine said:
Why is Porsche so late in the game with DSG?? Maybe Porsche feels like I do. That it's monumentally uninvolving and makes what used to be challenging, stupifyingly easy. Most comments I see on the "pro" side seem to be giddy about how it makes driving fast so much easier, and "neat-o". After spending half a lifetime honing my skills with the old-school rock-box, I feel as though it's like giving a kid with zero athletic skills a basketball that will dribble and go through the hoop without fail. Neato, gee-whizo. I can imagine that the kid would be overjoyed, and every other kid would need to equip their basketball as-such to compete with him...but the other kids that like to play real basketball would rather play their own game, if they had their druthers.
Race car drivers and owners are forced to use it to be competitive, but I feel it's taken some of the "art" out of racing. Technology has its place in racing, and in road cars. But there's a point where the technology takes over the car. I can deal with a little computer controlled shock absorber tweaking, but I abhor traction control, I'm not a huge fan of ABS, and you can take your nerdy DSG and drop it off a cliff. It's a yawn and it makes me feel like I'm driving in a skirt and heels.
Anything can be improved, but some things can't be replaced. Part of the reason I love driving IS the shifting. Giving up the shifting, just to gain some smoothness or speed is a net loss for my entertainment. I don't want to flip paddles to shift gears, no more than I want to diddle a joystick or a trackball to steer. When I get behind the wheel of an old pre-great-depression goliath, with an unsynchronized gearbox, executing clean shifts is a challenge and a blast. It's something I'll always associate with enthusiast driving, old boat, or cutting-edge new sportscar.
How's THAT for a morning rant!!!!
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69bossnine said:
How's THAT for a morning rant!!!!
Pretty damn good But I'd still like to drive a 997TT with DSG to see how it is. I've never been a tiptronic fan; and have always enjoyed the involvement of a manual. Nevertheless, the traffic in London, and what looks like a potentially vast improvement over the current tiptronic, might just make me go for it. Let's wait and see.
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69bossnine said:
How's THAT for a morning rant!!!!
Pretty damn good But I'd still like to drive a 997TT with DSG to see how it is. I've never been a tiptronic fan; and have always enjoyed the involvement of a manual. Nevertheless, the traffic in London, and what looks like a potentially vast improvement over the current tiptronic, might just make me go for it. Let's wait and see.