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bazza said:
that seat is not electic seat on the f430, which;s mean i am too short for the car .

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Mike S said:

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ha said:
As we walked back to my car, I could see that same salesperson noticing my GT and he came back running out of the showroom. By then I was already inside the car with the doors closed. He tried to knock on the window to get my attention but I waived the tip of my fingers as saying to him to f**k off and I drove away.

HAHAHAHA!! I love the ending It's true ha, same thing with my Ferrari dealer, always this BS about waiting list etc. and then they immediately go back to their desk. when i drove past leaving in my continental GT they were quick to give me a call lol!!!

but i want the car and they are the only dealer in the country so i have to go through them

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BC997J said:

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Mike S said:

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ha said:
As we walked back to my car, I could see that same salesperson noticing my GT and he came back running out of the showroom. By then I was already inside the car with the doors closed. He tried to knock on the window to get my attention but I waived the tip of my fingers as saying to him to f**k off and I drove away.

HAHAHAHA!! I love the ending It's true ha, same thing with my Ferrari dealer, always this BS about waiting list etc. and then they immediately go back to their desk. when i drove past leaving in my continental GT they were quick to give me a call lol!!!

but i want the car and they are the only dealer in the country so i have to go through them

Does this never stop? A Bentley too?
BTW I'm not sure, but what about Viglietis here in CT Mike??
Maybe they only sell used or whatever but if you dnt want to do business with Ferrari there wnt u be able to get a F430 here?
Then again, you should know i'm a Porsche man, so i really dnt know alot about Ferrari here in SA..
Just trying to help...

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SrfCity said:
You can always choose not to deal with those clowns and buy on the secondary market. You may have to wait a while til prices drop but at least you won't have to play their games.

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STRADALE said:

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SrfCity said:
You can always choose not to deal with those clowns and buy on the secondary market. You may have to wait a while til prices drop but at least you won't have to play their games.

But then you're playing an even worst game, aren't you ?


What "games" ? It doesn't make sense to sell to returning customers first ? It's simple. For their cars that have huge demand (like the 430)they sell to good customers first. Nothing says you can't buy another model Ferrari. There is more complaining about Ferrari taking care of loyal customers then people complaining about dealers charging anybody and everybody over MSRP for a hot car. Do you guys really think it's worse to sell to existing customers then to charge good customers over msrp ? Do you ?

Look at the Ford dealers and the GT. It's come down but they wanted $100k over msrp. No matter how many cars and trucks and how loyal you have been over the years. I was at a Mercedes dealer (RALLYE MOTORS) buying ML's for my wife and dad when one of the first SL55's in my area sold at the dealer for $50,000 over msrp. I was in a Chrysler dealer buying my sister a Jeep Liberty last month and asked about the 300M SRT version for a friend at work and they want $7000 over msrp. I bought 3 Grand Cherokee's and a Dodge Durango last year from this Chrysler dealer. That's a "game" IMO. Chevy dealers will surely want $10,000 plus over msrp for the ZO6. Bently dealers in my area wanted $50,000 over for the Cont. GT when it came out. They all seem to do it whenever possible. I think that stinks. It's not about how loyal you are to a make or dealer but how much money you can throw at somebody ? I think that policy is a lot sleazier then giving loyal or existing customers first shot at a hot model like the 430. Guess I'm in the minority but I would much rather see all dealers give first dibs to customers that have bought cars from them before then make their own private auction to rape good customers..........When you deal with the "secondary market" you're buying into the same type of greed.

Don't spend $50,000, or even $25,000 over for a F430. Pretend you are paying yourself $25,000 a year to be patient by putting your name down at a dealer and waiting. If you want a 430 establish a relationship with a dealer by putting down a deposit and being patient. When I put down my deposit I was told it would be at least a 2-3 year wait. It turned out to be less than a year. There's good reasons why they do this..........DUNNO..........I would much rather deal with Ferrari and the way they do business then deal with greedy dealerships that would charge me as most money over msrp as they could possibly get away with.

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STRADALE said:

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SrfCity said:
You can always choose not to deal with those clowns and buy on the secondary market. You may have to wait a while til prices drop but at least you won't have to play their games.

But then you're playing an even worst game, aren't you ?


What "games" ? It doesn't make sense to sell to returning customers first ? It's simple. For their cars that have huge demand (like the 430)they sell to good customers first. Nothing says you can't buy another model Ferrari. There is more complaining about Ferrari taking care of loyal customers then people complaining about dealers charging anybody and everybody over MSRP for a hot car. Do you guys really think it's worse to sell to existing customers then to charge good customers over msrp ? Do you ?

Look at the Ford dealers and the GT. It's come down but they wanted $100k over msrp. No matter how many cars and trucks and how loyal you have been over the years. I was at a Mercedes dealer (RALLYE MOTORS) buying ML's for my wife and dad when one of the first SL55's in my area sold at the dealer for $50,000 over msrp. I was in a Chrysler dealer buying my sister a Jeep Liberty last month and asked about the 300M SRT version for a friend at work and they want $7000 over msrp. I bought 3 Grand Cherokee's and a Dodge Durango last year from this Chrysler dealer. That's a "game" IMO. Chevy dealers will surely want $10,000 plus over msrp for the ZO6. Bently dealers in my area wanted $50,000 over for the Cont. GT when it came out. They all seem to do it whenever possible. I think that stinks. It's not about how loyal you are to a make or dealer but how much money you can throw at somebody ? I think that policy is a lot sleazier then giving loyal or existing customers first shot at a hot model like the 430. Guess I'm in the minority but I would much rather see all dealers give first dibs to customers that have bought cars from them before then make their own private auction to rape good customers..........When you deal with the "secondary market" you're buying into the same type of greed.

Don't spend $50,000, or even $25,000 over for a F430. Pretend you are paying yourself $25,000 a year to be patient by putting your name down at a dealer and waiting. If you want a 430 establish a relationship with a dealer by putting down a deposit and being patient. When I put down my deposit I was told it would be at least a 2-3 year wait. It turned out to be less than a year. There's good reasons why they do this..........DUNNO..........I would much rather deal with Ferrari and the way they do business then deal with greedy dealerships that would charge me as most money over msrp as they could possibly get away with.

Stradale,

It would be wonderful if I could place a deposit for an F430 and wait two, even three years for the car to arrive. But for whatever reason, the folks at Wide World of Cars and Ferrari of Central New Jersey gave me the spiel that I needed to buy a used Ferrari from them first before they'd even consider placing me on a waitlist. On the other hand, they told me, if I wanted a car right now, I could pay a significant amount over MSRP to buy a used F430.

In any case, I'd just appreciate it if you could point me to a dealership that will actually comply with the scenario you post above, and will accept a deposit without having to buy a used 360 (or a couple of Maseratis!) from them first.

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fuenfer said:

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STRADALE said:

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SrfCity said:
You can always choose not to deal with those clowns and buy on the secondary market. You may have to wait a while til prices drop but at least you won't have to play their games.

But then you're playing an even worst game, aren't you ?


What "games" ? It doesn't make sense to sell to returning customers first ? It's simple. For their cars that have huge demand (like the 430)they sell to good customers first. Nothing says you can't buy another model Ferrari. There is more complaining about Ferrari taking care of loyal customers then people complaining about dealers charging anybody and everybody over MSRP for a hot car. Do you guys really think it's worse to sell to existing customers then to charge good customers over msrp ? Do you ?

Look at the Ford dealers and the GT. It's come down but they wanted $100k over msrp. No matter how many cars and trucks and how loyal you have been over the years. I was at a Mercedes dealer (RALLYE MOTORS) buying ML's for my wife and dad when one of the first SL55's in my area sold at the dealer for $50,000 over msrp. I was in a Chrysler dealer buying my sister a Jeep Liberty last month and asked about the 300M SRT version for a friend at work and they want $7000 over msrp. I bought 3 Grand Cherokee's and a Dodge Durango last year from this Chrysler dealer. That's a "game" IMO. Chevy dealers will surely want $10,000 plus over msrp for the ZO6. Bently dealers in my area wanted $50,000 over for the Cont. GT when it came out. They all seem to do it whenever possible. I think that stinks. It's not about how loyal you are to a make or dealer but how much money you can throw at somebody ? I think that policy is a lot sleazier then giving loyal or existing customers first shot at a hot model like the 430. Guess I'm in the minority but I would much rather see all dealers give first dibs to customers that have bought cars from them before then make their own private auction to rape good customers..........When you deal with the "secondary market" you're buying into the same type of greed.

Don't spend $50,000, or even $25,000 over for a F430. Pretend you are paying yourself $25,000 a year to be patient by putting your name down at a dealer and waiting. If you want a 430 establish a relationship with a dealer by putting down a deposit and being patient. When I put down my deposit I was told it would be at least a 2-3 year wait. It turned out to be less than a year. There's good reasons why they do this..........DUNNO..........I would much rather deal with Ferrari and the way they do business then deal with greedy dealerships that would charge me as most money over msrp as they could possibly get away with.

Stradale,

It would be wonderful if I could place a deposit for an F430 and wait two, even three years for the car to arrive. But for whatever reason, the folks at Wide World of Cars and Ferrari of Central New Jersey gave me the spiel that I needed to buy a used Ferrari from them first before they'd even consider placing me on a waitlist. On the other hand, they told me, if I wanted a car right now, I could pay a significant amount over MSRP to buy a used F430.

In any case, I'd just appreciate it if you could point me to a dealership that will actually comply with the scenario you post above, and will accept a deposit without having to buy a used 360 (or a couple of Maseratis!) from them first.

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STRADALE said:
The only person "in charge" when you pay the huge premium over sticker is the guy taking your money.

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STRADALE said:
The only person "in charge" when you pay the huge premium over sticker is the guy taking your money.

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VKSF said:

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STRADALE said:
The only person "in charge" when you pay the huge premium over sticker is the guy taking your money.

Sounds like "choose your poison" to me.....suck up to a F salesguy/buy a stinking used car, etc...all to get a new [Email]F@MSRP[/Email] at some indeterminate time vs writing a "defined-value" check today to a broker to get the next build spot on a 430 or a new 430 on-the ground......gotta calc value of time/effort/indignity of sucking up for a nominally MSRP F...and value of having one's new toy now/N6M rather than ?1-3 yrs from now

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VKSF said:

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STRADALE said:
The only person "in charge" when you pay the huge premium over sticker is the guy taking your money.

Sounds like "choose your poison" to me.....suck up to a F salesguy/buy a stinking used car, etc...all to get a new [Email]F@MSRP[/Email] at some indeterminate time vs writing a "defined-value" check today to a broker to get the next build spot on a 430 or a new 430 on-the ground......gotta calc value of time/effort/indignity of sucking up for a nominally MSRP F...and value of having one's new toy now/N6M rather than ?1-3 yrs from now

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STRADALE said:

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VKSF said:

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STRADALE said:
The only person "in charge" when you pay the huge premium over sticker is the guy taking your money.

Sounds like "choose your poison" to me.....suck up to a F salesguy/buy a stinking used car, etc...all to get a new [Email]F@MSRP[/Email] at some indeterminate time vs writing a "defined-value" check today to a broker to get the next build spot on a 430 or a new 430 on-the ground......gotta calc value of time/effort/indignity of sucking up for a nominally MSRP F...and value of having one's new toy now/N6M rather than ?1-3 yrs from now

IMO you're better of starting a relationship with a dealer. Of course it will take more time to get a car but for the long term once you establish a good relationship with a dealer you're golden. Rotate into a new car at msrp every summer and cost you nothing, even make money doing it. If you're only interested in buying a 430, don't care about paying a huge premium and never plan on selling the car for a new model (yeah right) then buy from a broker. Long term it's not smart. It might take years to establish the relationship with the dealer where you would be on his good customer list but the perks is well worth the time.. IMO the only "poison" is paying $50,000 over each and every time you want a new car. You think the broker is giving you a better price next time around because you're a good customer ? Don't think so. He'll sell the car for as much as he could possibly get. It may work for some but I'm glad I didn't do that a couple of years ago. I'd be in the same boat all over again. Better to start a business relationship now and in a couple of years be ordering your new car every summer/every other summer at msrp instead of chasing the 2nd best deal again.