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The track comparison is a bit unfair since the R8 was driving on normal road tires (same as 911 Turbo S but the new PZero N1 is a new Pirelli development and almost as capable as a semi-slick in the dry, the R8 is getting it's own version of this tire early next year).

Also, comparing the Trofeo R equipped 675LT to the Cup 2 equipped 488 GTB isn't fair either. The Trofeo R is by far superior to the Cup 2, basically same difference as between a normal UHP road tire and the Cup 2.

Weird as well: The weight of the R8. It should read 1671 kg, not 1771 kg. The R8 is basically 40-50 kg heavier than the Turbo S but not more. Always.

Biggest disappointment is the GT-R: It seems that Nissan has finally lost the performance game, what a shame. Despite so many upgrades to the GT-R. Not even sure that the GT-R should have been part of this comparison. The new AMG GT R would have been more appropriate.

What I realized again: Ferrari interiors are just beautiful, unmatched. I kind of get the feeling that Audi tried to copy Ferrari but even if the R8 interior looks amazing (design and quality), it is not even close to the look of the 488 interior. R8 has a better quality though (no kidding, compared to a 488 Spider interior I saw).

I am surprised with the straight line performance of the 675LT and the 488, something doesn't seem right but maybe I'm wrong. Since this seems to be a factory car...  0-200 kph in 8.1 seconds? Best time I'v seen for the 488 so far was 8.7 or so...in one German review, it did even 9.1 seconds (customer car). Auto, Motor und Sport tested the 488 at 8.9 seconds and that was a British customer car as well. 

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RC:

The track comparison is a bit unfair since the R8 was driving on normal road tires (same as 911 Turbo S but the new PZero N1 is a new Pirelli development and almost as capable as a semi-slick in the dry, the R8 is getting it's own version of this tire early next year).

Also, comparing the Trofeo R equipped 675LT to the Cup 2 equipped 488 GTB isn't fair either. The Trofeo R is by far superior to the Cup 2, basically same difference as between a normal UHP road tire and the Cup 2.

Weird as well: The weight of the R8. It should read 1671 kg, not 1771 kg. The R8 is basically 40-50 kg heavier than the Turbo S but not more. Always.

Biggest disappointment is the GT-R: It seems that Nissan has finally lost the performance game, what a shame. Despite so many upgrades to the GT-R. Not even sure that the GT-R should have been part of this comparison. The new AMG GT R would have been more appropriate.

What I realized again: Ferrari interiors are just beautiful, unmatched. I kind of get the feeling that Audi tried to copy Ferrari but even if the R8 interior looks amazing (design and quality), it is not even close to the look of the 488 interior. R8 has a better quality though (no kidding, compared to a 488 Spider interior I saw).

I am surprised with the straight line performance of the 675LT and the 488, something doesn't seem right but maybe I'm wrong. Since this seems to be a factory car...  0-200 kph in 8.1 seconds? Best time I'v seen for the 488 so far was 8.7 or so...in one German review, it did even 9.1 seconds (customer car). Auto, Motor und Sport tested the 488 at 8.9 seconds and that was a British customer car as well. 

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Okay, a few things:

The r8's 1771kg weight, was with an extra 100kg in it to account for driver and stuff, apparently.  This is currently the best time for the 488 that I've seen posted on fchat.  If you account for the cold tires and spin, it looks like it could be pretty close to stated time.  Earlier, he even got a 3.2 on 0-100, and a 100-200kph at 5.7.

Now with vbox data:
Kph
+8 celcius
Three times with nearly the same times.

0-50 1,8 * sec  
0-100 3,8 *
100- 200 5,3
100- 250 10,1 
0- 250 13,9 *

1/4 mile 11 sec *

(*Coold tires and spin)

And at the recent shift sector event in california, a ferrari finally clocked 160mph at the 1/2 mile check, which is usual for cars like the 650s and Huracan. 

#22 Chris Tawil , 2016 Ferrari 488 ( 160.485 mph )

#197 Mark Harper , 2015 Lamborghini Aventador ( 159.123 mph )

#48 Gregory Kim , 2016 Ferrari F12 ( 157.784 mph )

#41 Edmond Barseghian , 2007 Lamborghini Murcielago ( 152.957 mph )

#96 Parvaneh Carter , 2014 Porsche GT3 ( 146.866 mph ) 

 488 vs f12 at shift sector: https://youtu.be/nQrn3Rfyu_c

The weight of the R8 was certainly a printing error or whatever. The weight difference between the R8 and the 911 Turbo S is always around 50 kg. 151 kg is impossible. No R8 has ever been weighted over 1700 kg.

The car tested by Sport Auto was 1635 kg...with a full tank.

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Don't forget to factor in 65kg of RC's hurt feelings

Such a shame they couldn´t get the Huracan, would love to see it here. 991 price puts it out of contest, it should cost 170K maximum to be an option compared to the competition. Ferrari for my garage without a doubt, at this price range an exotic is the only way to go. Apart from that, 991 is the most complete car here, for all known reasons. The Nissan may be the slowest but it´s half price of all the others and 1/3 of McLaren so you really can´t complain.

Just one last remark, nowadays these 0-100Kph acceleration times are amazing for such heavy cars, back on the 90 a Benetton F1 car on Turbo era was making 2,6sec to 100Kph and 4,2 to 200Kph but it weighted 1/3 these cars. 

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noone1:

Don't forget to factor in 65kg of RC's hurt feelings

Guys, I think you really don't know me. 

First those various jokes about the R8, then ALDO, now you and I always try to figure out what you guys actually mean?  

I start to sense some sort of desire of other people to their defend opinions and to "hurt" me for (probably?) having a different opinion but I can assure you that I couldn't care less. The reason is simple: I know my R8 pretty well, incl. all strengths and weaknesses (has someone actually read my review? ), so I just cannot relate to the weird comments about hurt feelings or whatever because I do not feel that way. 

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RC:

noone1:

Don't forget to factor in 65kg of RC's hurt feelings

Guys, I think you really don't know me. 

First those various jokes about the R8, then ALDO, now you and I always try to figure out what you guys actually mean?  

I start to sense some sort of desire of other people to their defend opinions and to "hurt" me for (probably?) having a different opinion but I can assure you that I couldn't care less. The reason is simple: I know my R8 pretty well, incl. all strengths and weaknesses (has someone actually read my review? ), so I just cannot relate to the weird comments about hurt feelings or whatever because I do not feel that way. 

 

Come on RC, you can't deny you mention the R8 anywhere, anytime. As you did with the Mustang, as you did with the Turbo S, etc... If an R8 gets negative press it's either untrue or they haven't tested it properly? 

I have nothing against the R8, far from it, nor do I have anything against admiring your own car, but given the amount of publicity you give it, it's only normal people make jokes about it...

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noone1:

Don't forget to factor in 65kg of RC's hurt feelings

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Porker:

Come on RC, you can't deny you mention the R8 anywhere, anytime. As you did with the Mustang, as you did with the Turbo S, etc... If an R8 gets negative press it's either untrue or they haven't tested it properly? 

I have nothing against the R8, far from it, nor do I have anything against admiring your own car, but given the amount of publicity you give it, it's only normal people make jokes about it...

Sums it up very well. A reoccurring phenomena.

I mean, I mention the GT4 all the time too, but it is actually a superior car. Especially in white.

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RC:

The weight of the R8 was certainly a printing error or whatever. The weight difference between the R8 and the 911 Turbo S is always around 50 kg. 151 kg is impossible. No R8 has ever been weighted over 1700 kg.

The car tested by Sport Auto was 1635 kg...with a full tank.

I don't know what to tell ya.  The official kerb weight is on the one with the engine pictures, then the final weight with an additional 100kg is the final weight.  But if its any consolation, the 488 they got weight 3505lbs, while the normal press cars weight mid-3400's.

Also from GCF, heres a translation gist of each car: 

675 LT: the most track focused, really fast and accurate, monstre frot end!. not for all: "if you're are not a true pilot, I'll go faster on 488 or TurboS"

488: less track focus, but equal performances and amazing to drive. just a litle bit understeer. best engine.

TurboS: perfect on the street, no fear on track. it can under/oversteer. superbrakes!

Audi R8: the only N/A engine, up to 9,000rpm!!front end a bit soft, great (finally) geearbox!

Gt-R: the "normal car" of the match, 4 seats, great engine, but handling and gearbox feel "old"

Porker:

RC:

noone1:

Don't forget to factor in 65kg of RC's hurt feelings

Guys, I think you really don't know me. 

First those various jokes about the R8, then ALDO, now you and I always try to figure out what you guys actually mean?  

I start to sense some sort of desire of other people to their defend opinions and to "hurt" me for (probably?) having a different opinion but I can assure you that I couldn't care less. The reason is simple: I know my R8 pretty well, incl. all strengths and weaknesses (has someone actually read my review? ), so I just cannot relate to the weird comments about hurt feelings or whatever because I do not feel that way. 

 

Come on RC, you can't deny you mention the R8 anywhere, anytime. As you did with the Mustang, as you did with the Turbo S, etc... If an R8 gets negative press it's either untrue or they haven't tested it properly? 

Of course I compare everything with what I drive myself, I basically run this forum for over a decade and I want to share my experience. 

The R8 had bad press? When? Where? When there is something wrong with an article or review, I guess I have the obligation, as a Rennteam editor and R8 owner, to set it straight. My posts regarding other cars (and even my own) were always as neutral and accurate as possible. If you see it differently, I feel sorry about it. Maybe this is more related to my strong views and your dislike for them than actually my cars?!   

I have nothing against the R8, far from it, nor do I have anything against admiring your own car, but given the amount of publicity you give it, it's only normal people make jokes about it...

I rave about it because it is a fantastic car. Just take one for a spin and you'll understand. I am paying a ridiculously low price (in my opinion) for the R8 experience and if I compare it to my previous cars or what other cars I test-drive on a regular basis, I am more than thrilled with the R8.

I didn't see anyone make jokes about Whoopsy's 918. Which brings me back to my strong views thingie... 

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bluelines:

Porker:

Come on RC, you can't deny you mention the R8 anywhere, anytime. As you did with the Mustang, as you did with the Turbo S, etc... If an R8 gets negative press it's either untrue or they haven't tested it properly? 

I have nothing against the R8, far from it, nor do I have anything against admiring your own car, but given the amount of publicity you give it, it's only normal people make jokes about it...

Sums it up very well. A reoccurring phenomena.

I mean, I mention the GT4 all the time too, but it is actually a superior car. Especially in white.

Well, nobody really feels threatened by a GT4...  

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RC:

 

I didn't see anyone make jokes about Whoopsy's 918. Which brings me back to my strong views thingie... 

I constantly pointed out his constant mentioning of the 918.

The only reason we don't do it to Bluelines is because it's clear that he's joking and in reality knows very well that he owns a mere Boxster Coupe in the slowest color offered, Molasses White.

noone1:

RC:

 

I didn't see anyone make jokes about Whoopsy's 918. Which brings me back to my strong views thingie... 

I constantly pointed out his constant mentioning of the 918.

The only reason we don't do it to Bluelines is because it's clear that he's joking and in reality knows very well that he owns a mere Boxster Coupe in the slowest color offered, Molasses White.

Oh, c'mon...don't be that cruel. I like the GT4 a lot. 

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RC:

 

I didn't see anyone make jokes about Whoopsy's 918. Which brings me back to my strong views thingie... 

We should start that  now that he has lost his stealth airplane wing on the back GT3RS 

noone1:

RC:

 

I didn't see anyone make jokes about Whoopsy's 918. Which brings me back to my strong views thingie... 

I constantly pointed out his constant mentioning of the 918.

The only reason we don't do it to Bluelines is because it's clear that he's joking and in reality knows very well that he owns a mere Boxster Coupe in the slowest color offered, Molasses White.

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White isn't even a color 

SciFrog:

White isn't even a color 

Exactly.

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For me, the R8 and GTR are by far last picks. I'm indifferent to the McLaren, although it is amazing in many regards. If I had to pick one here, I would be torn between the Porsche and Ferrari. But probably end up with the Ferrari 

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