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    Taycan ST vs EQS580

    I'm on my 2nd Taycan, now.  The first was a 2020 Taycan Turbo and now I own a 2023 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo.

    I switched from trunk-equipped to hatch-back to improve cargo handling of Amazon delivery boxes, etc..  I have everything shipped to the office and handled by my warehouse manager instead of home delivery managed by porch pirates.  The Taycan sedan's trunk often frustrated loading because of the high entry angles required for larger boxes.  The ST hatch is MUCH better for large boxes.

    But, .... the weird telematics (though vastly improved) continue to bug me and the latest twist makes me not trust the 2023 model for any kind of road trip where juicing up at a DC charger is required.  The new bug for this car is the motorized charging port covers messing up.  Because the car has 2 charging ports, one on the driver side and another on the passenger side, there must be an interlock so that no driver can manage to connect both ports to 2 EVSEs at the same time ... SmileySmiley  ... POOF. 

    Because of the interlock, if the AC-only port door becomes confused about proper operation, it is impossible to open the cover to the CCS1 port.   Apparently, there is a calibration routine that is run through PIWIS that makes the door work just right.  It seems my 2023 GTS ST has a habit of forgetting the calibration or has some other issue that causes an operational fault, which is "fixed" by taking a long nap (or several) after which it operates correctly.  This is not a big deal when operating locally and charging at home in the garage.  But, .... I don't fancy being stuck for an unknown amount of time at a Electrify America DC supercharger in the middle of nowhere while the issue resolves itself.  The dealer has tried in vain to make iit happen while in for service, so I can't fault their expended effort.

    Nonetheless, this has my eye wandering about for another battery-electric daily driver with some panache.   I could do Tesla because our family's long experience with thier cars has been much less worrisome.  But, the current Tesla offering is a little less turned out in interior richness and features than I would like.

    The other EV w/hatch candidate that caught my eye is the Mercedes EQS 580.  It's hatch has an even larger cargo capacity that the Taycan hatch variants and might take pot holes with more aplomb than a Taycan.  A web search doesn't reveal any annoying telematic faults that I could find.

    Anybody have any words to the wise for me??


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    Mike

    918 Spyder + 992 Dakar + 992 GT3 Touring + Taycan GTS ST + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + BMWs (Z8 + 3.0 CSi) + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    EQS is an amazing machine, fit and finish and material usage is right up there. And it’s the only choice for a luxury EV SUV, monopoly, BMW iX and Audi Q8 e-torn is close but it’s a step or 2 down in pricing. (No, the Tesla doesn’t count, while it’s expensive but the material used just isn’t a match to the price charged.)

    BUT, after going through so many EVs now, 2 Taycans, the original e-tron, the Polestar, 2 Mach Es and the Lightning, I can’t justify the price for an EQS when a EV is just a disposable appliance, it’s obsolete the moment it is released, like an iPhone. There is a line somewhere as the ceiling for pricing. 
     


     


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    That obsolescence of product is why I think for many households something along the lines of a Kia EV6 makes the most sense.  While it lacks the panache of a prestige badge, it efficiently gets the job done with technology and some level of reliability. 


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    Those Korean EVs, the Ioniq 5 and EV6 combo, are THE BENCHMARK for current EVs. 800V, more than adequate real world range, world class design and material usage, top notch fit and finish and a great price. Every EV on sale are measuring up to them. Nothing comes close to being a challenger, especially when price is part of the equation.
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    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Hi Mike, Nick is obviously the go to for this information, but I will add that I was very interested when the EQS was first released. My dealer let me drive it for a couple of days at launch, but the “eco friendly” interior isn’t at the same level as the ICE S class, except for the “hyper screen.” I felt like it was a “vegan S” if that makes sense. And the acceleration was fun, but its mass became very obvious when making any kind of direction change. I couldn’t commit. My friend just took delivery of the launch spec Etron Q8 Sportback I think it’s aesthetic is more coherent with Audi’s market positioning, and maybe its price point makes it a better value proposition. Personally, I haven’t found any EV that I’d be willing to own; leasing maybe…

    I’ve been talking with my MB SA about the upcoming EQG, this might be the first EV I’d actually purchase. Have you considered it?


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    My wife is only 5' tall (154cm) and she complains about ingress and egress in Macan loaner cars I occasionally get from the dealer during service.  She decries the lack of running boards or some other step up device.   Seems like the G-wagon might have similar issues.  I'm sure it would have the Amazon box cargo capacity I need and I like the idea of next-generation main battery technology for some long range cruising.

    I'll probably take a test drive in either a EQS 450 4matic or the 580 (sedan, not SUV, Nick) to see how I like it in the next week nor two.  I read a web range test compilation that was very complimentary of the EQS450+ (RWD) getting 299 miles of range at a constant 130kph against an EPA range of 350 miles.  I rarely drive over 80 mph on long trips and that kind of real-world range appeals to me.


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    Mike

    918 Spyder + 992 Dakar + 992 GT3 Touring + Taycan GTS ST + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + BMWs (Z8 + 3.0 CSi) + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Ah you going for sedan. Stupid Mercedes named them all the same. Then I guess yeah, the EQS has the biggest most usable trunk of all the EV sedans.
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    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Lucid?


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Whoopsy:
    Ah you going for sedan. Stupid Mercedes named them all the same. Then I guess yeah, the EQS has the biggest most usable trunk of all the EV sedans.

    And it looks like an overweight fish, which is a nice bonus!


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    1988 Peugeot 205 Rallye / 1991 Mercedes-Benz 500E / 2004 Porsche 996 GT3 RS  / 2022 BMW M5 CS


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Porker:
    Whoopsy:
    Ah you going for sedan. Stupid Mercedes named them all the same. Then I guess yeah, the EQS has the biggest most usable trunk of all the EV sedans.

    And it looks like an overweight fish, which is a nice bonus!

    Drives like one too.  It falls woefully short of the high bar set by the excellent and competent S-Class. 


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    CGX car nut:
    Porker:
    Whoopsy:
    Ah you going for sedan. Stupid Mercedes named them all the same. Then I guess yeah, the EQS has the biggest most usable trunk of all the EV sedans.

    And it looks like an overweight fish, which is a nice bonus!

    Drives like one too.  It falls woefully short of the high bar set by the excellent and competent S-Class. 

    I read fit and finish is a disaster as well?


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    1988 Peugeot 205 Rallye / 1991 Mercedes-Benz 500E / 2004 Porsche 996 GT3 RS  / 2022 BMW M5 CS


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Not quite in Mike’s vehicle wheelhouse, the new Audi SQ8 e-tron is a perplexing product of competence, sophistication, and mediocrity at the very same time.  Unfortunately, this statement seems more and more correct for almost all the German makers EV products.   https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/q8-e-tron/359512/new-audi-sq8-e-tron-2024-review-heavy-and-expensive-great-drive


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    I'm pretty wary of VW/Porsche/Audi EV telematics and general gizmos right now.  I don't trust the current iteration of their software implementations in their EVs.  My 911s are fine and work just as expected with no strange hick-ups.  My Porsche EVs have not been fine.  I hoped the 2023 Taycan would be better (more reliable, less buggy) than my 2020 Taycan.  It is.  The 2020 was insufferable while the 2023 is merely infuriating.

    For the last few days, my Taycan GTS ST has lost all connectivity to web-based PCM features.  Native Spotify, Apple Music, Apple Podcasts, WX, etc. have all stopped working with a message: "A data package error has occurred. Please check at My Porsche".  My Porsche indicates no warnings.  Everything seems fine there.  I checked on Taycan message boards and found it "just happens" from time to time and usually corrects itself within a week.  Great.

    Sad to say, but I'm out. Some might say Audi is not Porsche. But, similar telematics FUBARs are reported about the current generation of Audi EVs as well.

    So, .... I'm done with VW group EVs for the current generation.

    On to Mercedes.


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    Mike

     

    918 Spyder + 992 Dakar + 992 GT3 Touring + Taycan GTS ST + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + BMWs (Z8 + 3.0 CSi) + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Completely understandable Mike.  It’s a disgrace that the Group is willing to sacrifice quality to meet some unattainable sales goals.  The cars, when sold, should be flawless.  No amount of updating makes up for the lost customer goodwill. 


    Re: Taycan ST vs EQS580

    Old school is the best school…sorry you’re experiencing drama…


     
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