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    Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapolis GP

    Posted form another forum, credit to "Greg D."
    Nice to hear an inside view, Tod Stoddard telling what really happened. He is head of Minardi a Bridgestone team. Very intersting.

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    Saturday, June 18
    On arriving at the circuit, the word throughout the paddock was that there was a potential problem with the rear tyres supplied to all Michelin teams for this event, and it became evident as the first and second sessions were run that most of the affected teams were being very conservative with the amount of on-track running they were doing. In addition, Toyota announced that it had substituted Ricardo Zonta for Ralf Schumacher, who would take no further part in the event. Speculation was rife in the paddock that some Michelin teams might not take part in qualifying. Also, during the practice session, I was informed there would be a Team Principals' meeting with Bernie Ecclestone at 1430 hrs after qualifying, which I incorrectly assumed would centre around the Michelin issue.

    Qualifying took place, and indeed, all 20 cars qualified for Sunday's Grand Prix.

    At approximately 1420 hrs, I attended Bernie's office, and with representatives present from all other teams, including Ferrari, the meeting commenced. Surprisingly, the main topic of conversation was the number of events and calendar for 2006, followed by a suggestion that a meeting be convened at the next Grand Prix to discuss two issues only - firstly, a proposal for a single-tyre supplier in Formula One, and secondly, whether or not it would be desirable to qualify with or without a race fuel load in 2006. Only at the very end of the meeting did the Michelin tyre issue arise, and in fairness, it was not discussed in any great detail. I personally found this strange, but as I have stated, it did not affect Minardi directly, and therefore I had no reason to pursue the matter.

    Throughout Saturday evening, there was considerable speculation in the paddock that the tyre issue was much more serious than at first thought, and people were talking about a fresh shipment of tyres being flown overnight from France, and what penalty the Michelin teams would take should those tyres be used. By the time I left the paddock, people were taking bets on Minardi and Jordan scoring points!

    Later that evening, I checked with our Sporting Director on what developments had occurred, and was told that the issue was indeed very serious, and the possibility existed that the Michelin teams would not take part in the race.

    Sunday, June 19
    I arrived at the circuit at 0815 hrs, only to find the paddock was buzzing with stories suggesting the Michelin teams would be unable to take part in the Grand Prix. I was then handed a copy of correspondence between Michelin, the FIA, and the Michelin teams that revealed the true extent of the problem. By now, journalists were asking if Minardi would agree to a variation of the regulations to allow the Michelin teams to compete, and what penalties I felt would be appropriate.

    A planned Minardi press briefing took place at 0930 hrs, and as it was ending, I was summoned to an urgent meeting, along with Jordan, with Bernie Ecclestone, the two most senior Michelin representatives present at the circuit, IMS President Tony George, Team Principals, and technical representatives from the Michelin teams. At this meeting, Michelin, to its credit, admitted that the tyres available were unable to complete a race distance around the Indianapolis circuit without a change to the track configuration, so as to reduce the speed coming out of the last turn onto the banking. Much background information was provided as to the enormous efforts that Michelin, with support from its teams, had undertaken in the preceding 48 hours to try and resolve the problem, but it was clear that all those efforts had failed to produce a suitable solution that wouldn't involve support from the non-Michelin teams, and ultimately, the FIA.

    What was requested of the Bridgestone teams was to allow a chicane to be constructed at Turn 13, which would then allow Michelin to advise their teams that, in their opinion, the tyres would be able to complete the race distance. It was made very clear that this was the only viable option available, as previous suggestions from the FIA, such as speed-limiting the Michelin cars through Turn 13, could, and probably would, give rise to a monumental accident. This idea, as well as one concerning the possibility of pit stops every 10 laps, were dismissed, and discussion returned to the only sensible solution - a chicane. During this discussion, a technical representative with specific knowledge of the Indianapolis circuit, together with representatives from IMS, were tasked with preparing the design of a chicane, and Bernie Ecclestone agreed to speak with the one Team Principal not present, Mr Todt, and to inform the FIA President, Max Mosley, who was not present at Indianapolis, of the planned solution to allow the successful running of the US Grand Prix. With only a few hours now remaining to the start of the race, we agreed to reconvene as soon as Bernie had responses from Messrs Todt and Mosley.

    At approximately 1055 hrs, Bernie informed us that not only would Mr Todt not agree, stating that it was not a Ferrari problem, but an FIA and a Michelin problem, but also Mr Mosley had stated that if any attempts were made to alter the circuit, he would cancel the Grand Prix forthwith. These words had a familiar tone to me, as they were similar to those I had heard around midnight on the Friday preceding the 2005 Australian Grand Prix, when I was told by all the senior FIA representatives present that the Australian Grand Prix would be cancelled forthwith if I did not withdraw pending legal action between Minardi and the FIA. Once again, Mr Mosley was not present at that Grand Prix! It is fair to say at this point that the vast majority of people present in the room both felt and stated that Mr Mosley had completely overstepped the mark, had no idea whatsoever of the gravity of the situation, and furthermore, cared even less about the US Grand Prix, its organisers, the fans, and indeed, the hundreds of millions of television viewers around the world who were going to be affected by his intransigence.

    By this time, the nine teams had discussed running a non- championship race, or a race in which the Michelin teams could not score points, and even a race whereby only the Michelin teams used the new chicane, and indeed, every other possible option that would allow 20 cars to participate and put on a show, thereby not causing the enormous damage to Formula One that all those present knew would otherwise occur.

    By now, most present felt the only option was to install the chicane and race, if necessary, without Ferrari, but with 18 cars, in what would undoubtedly be a non-championship race. We discussed with Bernie the effects of the FIA withdrawing its staff, and agreed among ourselves a Race Director, a Safety Car driver, and other essential positions, and all agreed that, under the circumstances, what was of paramount importance was that the race must go ahead. All further agreed that since we would most likely be denied FIA facilities, such as scales and post-race scrutineering, every competitor would instruct his team and drivers to conduct themselves in the spirit of providing an entertaining race for the good of Formula One.

    At this point, we called for all 20 drivers, and indeed, all 20 arrived, at which point we informed them of our plan. While I cannot testify that each and every driver agreed with what we were proposing, what I can say with certainty is that no driver disagreed, and indeed, members of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association discussed overseeing the construction of a suitable chicane. Jean Todt was the only significant team individual not present, and the Ferrari drivers stated this decision was up to Mr Todt.

    I feel it is important to stress that, at this stage, and mindful of the total impossibility - call it force majeure if you wish - of 14 cars being able to compete in the race, the nine teams represented agreed they would not take part in the race unless a solution was found in the interests of Formula One as a global sport, as it was clear to all present that the sport, and not the politics, had to prevail if we were to avoid an impending disaster.

    After a short break, we reconvened without the drivers. When I arrived in Bernie's office, Flavio Briatore was on the telephone to Mr Mosley, and it was quite clear from the body language of the others gathered in the room that Mr Mosley was having none of our suggestions. At the conclusion of the telephone call, it was obvious that many of those in the room had lost all faith in Mr Mosley and his ability to perform his function as President of the FIA in respect of Formula One matters.

    I'm sure this sentence will be treated with contempt by Mr Mosley, but what must be realised is that there are various reasons that other Team Principals, and the most senior people in Formula One, will not say publicly what they openly feel privately about Mr Mosley, his politics and his governance of the sport. There is a great temptation to go into those reasons in detail, but that is for another day. Suffice to say, those gathered at Indianapolis felt Mr Mosley, and to a lesser degree, the lack of co-operation from Mr Todt, were about to be responsible for the greatest FIAsco in Formula One's recent history.

    Discussions then took place concerning the other telephone calls with Mr Mosley from, among others, Bernie Ecclestone, Ron Dennis and Tony George, and it was clearly revealed to what extent Mr Mosley was prepared to go in order to achieve his aims. To my total disgust, it was stated that Mosley had informed Mr Martin, the FIA's most senior representative in the USA, that if any kind of non- championship race was run, or any alteration made to the circuit, the US Grand Prix, and indeed, all FIA-regulated motorsport in the US, would be under threat - again, exactly the same tactic that was used in threatening the Australian Grand Prix and Australian motorsport in March of this year.

    By now, it was evident Mosley had bullied the US Grand Prix promoter into submission, Bernie Ecclestone was powerless to intervene, and all efforts of the Team Principals, with the exception of Jean Todt, had failed to save the 2005 US Grand Prix.

    At this point, the pit lane had opened and a hasty discussion took place concerning whether or not the Michelin teams would go to the grid. A radio had been delivered to me by team personnel at this stage, and I was able to know which cars were going to the grid. It is interesting to note that the Jordan Team Principal was not present at this time, and indeed, it was the Jordans that first proceeded to the grid, followed by the Ferraris. After discussion with Bernie Ecclestone, it was agreed the Michelin teams would go to the grid, but were absolutely prevented from participating in the race because of the tyre situation.



    Three teams line up for the US Grand Prix

    We then proceeded to the grid, at which point I asked Jordan's Colin Kolles if he intended to stand by the other teams or participate in the race. In no uncertain terms, I was told Jordan would be racing. I was also approached by a Bridgestone representative, who informed me that Bridgestone wished us to race. This left me with one of the most difficult decisions I have had to take during my time in F1, as I did not want to race, but given my current relationship with Mr Mosley, felt certain heavy sanctions would follow if I did not. I made it clear to Bernie Ecclestone, and several Team Principals, that if the Jordans either went off or retired, I would withdraw the Minardi cars from the race.

    It is important for people to realise that Minardi, the seven Michelin teams, Bernie Ecclestone, and the promoters did not agree with Mr Mosley's tactics. For the reasons previously outlined, it may take some considerable time, if ever, for this to be admitted, but there is no question in my mind that the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at Indianapolis was the responsibility of the FIA President, Max Mosley, and compounded by the lack of support from Jean Todt.

    For the avoidance of doubt, in my opinion, Michelin was responsible enough to admit that the problem was of their creation. When one considers that even the replacement, Barcelona-specification tyres that were shipped to IMS, when tested, apparently exhibited the same characteristics as those that originally failed, this clearly is a case of force majeure, as I do not for a moment believe that Michelin intentionally brought tyres to the event that were unsuitable for competition.

    Far more importantly, however, Mosley refused to accept any of the solutions offered, and that refusal was, I believe, politically motivated. Therefore, I feel he failed in his duty, and that is why I have called for his resignation.

    Much discussion and debate will undoubtedly take place over the coming weeks and months, but I believe this is a truthful and honest account of the facts, and not the fiction, surrounding the responsibility for this FIAsco. People can now make up their own minds!"





    Looks like Michelin made the unintentional technical mistake of not being able to make a tire that would resist turn 13 of Indy, the only banked turn of the whole GP season, which also revealed serious problems in other motorsport in previous testing (thats why Firestone/Birdgestone were aware and prepared), BUT Mosley and Todt were the ones responsable for how it all turned out in the end, not Michelin. Michelin is paying in many ways for their mistake, but I hope Mosley/Todt pay for their part, at least morally in the public opinion.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapolis GP

    Wow!

    Tod didn't mince any words!

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    Hr never mention the potential legal issues errecting a chicane may incite...

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    Becuase they wouldn't be, if everybody involved at the GP was in favor (except the Mosley & Todt individuals) then don't think there was any problem, they would know much better than us... and the way it turned out was not the best way to avoid legal issues


    I was surprised on his directness in relating what happened too, no policitcally correct/diplomatic statements here...

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli



    Could track management have built one using the same advanced safety barriers as they installed
    on the walls at turn 13?

    From the docuement cited above, the teams and Bernie apparently tried to do everything they could to have
    the show go on.

    Michelin is culpable for not supplying adequate tires to its teams.

    Michelin can moan, groan and imply with overtl or subtley that Bridgestone had some special knowledge, but thats Michelin attempting to divert blame from themselves.

    With tire companies like Hoosier building 200mph race tires good for 2hrs on much heavier cars at that track, Michelins only excuse can be that they compromised durability for ultimate traction at their own and their teams insistence, and that ultimately Michelin was far tooo clever for their own good.

    AS for the Teams management, I think that ultimately any
    monetary sanctions imposed on them by the FIA will be nulled. Simply because the tires were UNSAFE, and under
    EU Human Rights laws the drivers and teams have a right to NOT risk their lives. As to what extent contributory negligence is allowed as a factor, who knows ?

    Michelin and the FIA will likely lose most of the lawsuits coming at them from ticketholders, local print and national/local media advertisers, because of their combined negligence and lack of a prior agreed upon back up plan.

    The entire crisis was shabbily managed and the internal arguments expose some of managments complete lack of respect for the fans, advertisers and drivers.

    F1 is a big business, and apparently its management has been looking to Enron when it comes to ethics.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    An old Viagra patient is running the F1 circus. Pathetic.

    I wonder how long the teams have been at eachother's throats and how much animosity and diffs of opinion there has been these past months and years.
    It's so shortsighted, childish and so lame, I fail to find a word that describes it.

    I don't have all the facts...but it's Ferrari's fault. No doubt!

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    Jim it doesn't really matter.
    The FIA can lay all the charge backs they want to the Michelin teams. It'll just put another nail in the coffin for F1 and FOM.

    If F1 thinks this "incident" is costing them, it will pale in comparison to the money FOM/F1 will be losing when in 2008 the Concorde agreement ends and BMW (was Sauber), Mercedes, Williams, Toyota, Bar/Honda, Renault start their own league (GPWC) and spell the end for F1. And by the way, guess whose tires they will be using...

    The rule changes that were publicized last Thrusday, are a joke, and will turn F1 in the likes of IRL and Champ car, something that I don't want and neither does the GPWC.

    So yes in a way you will probably never see an F1 race in the US again, but you'd most likely see a GPWC race, which will be the same, though without the FOM.

    If anything, once all these "lawsuits" go to court the Michelin teams won't even exist, and George will be stuck with the bill, b/c of the poor track resurfacing.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    RR4, the "poor track resurfacing" you mentioned is specious.

    Only Michelin had problems with the track.

    So the claim that the track surface has some sort of evil quality is just a red herring sort of argument.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    A fresh start with a new league and championship would be great.
    And since Ferrari is the only team sleeping with Mosley and the FIA, they can form their own little league when the Concorde ends.


    Now Formula ONE will really live up to its name, cuz thats probably the number of contestants they will have.
    And guess who will be sitting alone on the starting grid - but I doubt that will stop him from thinking "I'm still going for the championship!".

    This could actually be a hilarious season. Imagine qualifying, the race itself, the podium ceremony and not least the press conference with just one driver.

    ...and then, maybe not.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

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    RR4 said:
    If F1 thinks this "incident" is costing them, it will pale in comparison to the money FOM/F1 will be losing when in 2008 the Concorde agreement ends and BMW (was Sauber), Mercedes, Williams, Toyota, Bar/Honda, Renault start their own league (GPWC) and spell the end for F1. And by the way, guess whose tires they will be using...



    Exactly, that hits the nail in the head.


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    JimFlat6 said:
    RR4, the "poor track resurfacing" you mentioned is specious.

    Only Michelin had problems with the track.

    So the claim that the track surface has some sort of evil quality is just a red herring sort of argument.



    Jim, other competitions there previously had severe problems, even practice sessions were abruptly canceled, eventually got over the problem by adapting the tires, thats why Bridgeston through Firestone's data was not caught by surprise.

    Have you ever noticed...?

    That Ross Brawn looks exactly like Major Toht from Raiders of the Lost Ark?
    ...maybe it should have been "Major Todt" instead?
    Whoohoo...me be cracking myself up.

    "Ze Fuhrer vill be happi venn vee vinn ze tjampionzjip!"



    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    Quote:
    RR4 said:
    If F1 thinks this "incident" is costing them, it will pale in comparison to the money FOM/F1 will be losing when in 2008 the Concorde agreement ends and BMW (was Sauber), Mercedes, Williams, Toyota, Bar/Honda, Renault start their own league (GPWC) and spell the end for F1. And by the way, guess whose tires they will be using...



    Exactly, that hits the nail in the head.


    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    RR4, the "poor track resurfacing" you mentioned is specious.

    Only Michelin had problems with the track.

    So the claim that the track surface has some sort of evil quality is just a red herring sort of argument.



    Jim, other competitions there previously had severe problems, even practice sessions were abruptly canceled, eventually got over the problem by adapting the tires, thats why Bridgeston through Firestone's data was not caught by surprise.



    Michelins only excuse then is lack of due dilligence. They simply have no one to blame but themselves.

    You've probably already seen this, but for others sake here it is.

    http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&PO_ID=33214

    Re: Have you ever noticed...?

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:


    "Ze Fuhrer vill be happi venn vee vinn ze tjampionzjip!"





    Dr Phil,
    Most of the time, you're just not funny, but sometimes, you can really be a jerk! Have some respect man!!!

    Re: Have you ever noticed...?

    Sorry. You're right. I can see now that I misspelled "tjampionzjip".
    It is of course spelled "Sjamponsip".

    Re: Have you ever noticed...?

    Give it a rest..

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapolis GP

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    Carlos from Spain said:
    Posted form another forum, credit to "Greg D."
    Nice to hear an inside view, Tod Stoddard telling what really happened. He is head of Minardi a Bridgestone team. Very intersting.



    Ehhh, the name of the team principal in Minardi is PAUL Stoddard.

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    Right! Paul not Tod, sorry

    Re: Tod Stoddard telling what really happened at Indianapoli

    FWIW, Mosley's interview with ESPN...

    ESPN interview

     
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