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nberry said:
Today, we in California have been put on notice that all violation of the motor vehicle code will be enforced regardless if the violation is minor . You will be ticketed for going 1-2 miles over the speed limit. Ignoring the incredible enforcement problems the have on their hands, it seems to me that the message they are sending is cars are for transportation and nothing else.
Who wants to drive on roads and highways constantly looking in your rearview mirror, monitoring your radar device and looking skyward for air traffic enforcement planes? It just is a lousy experience.
RC to your point about it will pass. I agree but somehow driving a high performance car seems stupid. Having said that, I just spec out my Spider for a Sept build date. Yellow with black interior/yellow stitching with carbon fiber and carbon fiber engine bay. You think I will get noticed?
BTW for you Seinfeld fans..do you recall the episode when George becomes engaged and his fiancee begins going to "his" restaurant invading his "sanctuary"? Well, Holly my lovely wife just did the same. But I love her dearly and all I can do is shrug my shoulders.
BTW, any idea how long the wait list is for one of those Spiders? Next to the P997TSCab and AMAMV8 in supercharged volante form, that is the third car I obsess about.
Al unless you have a very good relationship with a Ferrari dealer the Spider list is just too long and probably unattainable. BTW, I can understand your lust for the AM but the 997TSCab?
The local Porsche dealer here in SD has two 996 TS Cabs. he is trying to unload. Actually one is in a special order paint metallic white which really looked terrific. However it was Tiptronic. Also, the sticker on it was $164,000 but I suspect they will take substantially less.
Re: I am questioning my sanity
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nberry said: The local Porsche dealer here in SD has two 996 TS Cabs. he is trying to unload. Actually one is in a special order paint metallic white which really looked terrific. However it was Tiptronic. Also, the sticker on it was $164,000 but I suspect they will take substantially less.
Nick,
Thanks. Around the northeast here I know of some black/black leather 996TSCabs listing in the $145K-$155K range. I don't know if I want to pay that much for a car that might depreciate alot over the next year, especially when the 997T's come out, but if I can find a dealer willing to trade it for a good $15K -$20K lower, I might consider it. I figure being used and 12 months old and a 996T, by next summer it'll be worth no more than $100K.
Re: I am questioning my sanity
Quick question to those in Scandanavian countries: I hear that the severity of the ticket's value is based upon the income of the driver (I heard this through some absurd story about Kimi Raikkonen, where he was pulled over hauling something in an illegal zone and was fined heavily, due to his affluence). Is this true, and if so, where?
Secondly, I think one of the things we have to realize with high end vehicles such as Porsche's and Ferarri's (especially in the aftermath of a tradgedy so close to home) is that these machines are potentially very dangerous, whether or not the driver is competent. Cars have caused the deaths of the most foolish teenagers flying down roads, to the most precise and skillful drivers (the late, great Ayrton Senna). When you're going "over 120" on a public road, you are putting more than yourself at risk, you're putting those in the public at risk as well.
Because of this, there is a penalty levied against this type of driving. If you're a competent driver that speeds in areas where you feel confident about your ability to handle the car and the relative anonymity and safety of the scenario, your choice of "breaking the law" should be held with an understanding that you can be levied a fine.
In America, driving is seen as utilitarian first, sport next to last. This is something we, as a sport community, must accept.
Secondly, I think one of the things we have to realize with high end vehicles such as Porsche's and Ferarri's (especially in the aftermath of a tradgedy so close to home) is that these machines are potentially very dangerous, whether or not the driver is competent. Cars have caused the deaths of the most foolish teenagers flying down roads, to the most precise and skillful drivers (the late, great Ayrton Senna). When you're going "over 120" on a public road, you are putting more than yourself at risk, you're putting those in the public at risk as well.
Because of this, there is a penalty levied against this type of driving. If you're a competent driver that speeds in areas where you feel confident about your ability to handle the car and the relative anonymity and safety of the scenario, your choice of "breaking the law" should be held with an understanding that you can be levied a fine.
In America, driving is seen as utilitarian first, sport next to last. This is something we, as a sport community, must accept.
Re: I am questioning my sanity
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Hurst said:
Quick question to those in Scandanavian countries: I hear that the severity of the ticket's value is based upon the income of the driver (I heard this through some absurd story about Kimi Raikkonen, where he was pulled over hauling something in an illegal zone and was fined heavily, due to his affluence). Is this true, and if so, where?
Yep, that's Finland.
There's a two-tier system for traffic tickets: smaller infringements, like not wearing a seat belt or not having your driver's license with you, have a fixed sum ticket. I think this was something like 50 EUR.
Speeding is always fined a minimum of 115 EUR, but if you speed enough (this is based on police officers judgement or ultimately, by court) or break the rules some other way, you get to the area we call "daily fine". This means that you get a ticket, which gets you eg. 10 daily fines and one daily fine is determined by your income, possible assets etc.
Finnish police has some examples at their web page for fines:
- running a red light = 10 fines
- speeding over 25 km/h over posted limit of > 60 km/h = 12 fines
- caught using a radar detector = 20 fines
- driving without a licence = 20 fines
The number of fines on speeding and other "measurable" offences can be raised or lowered by the officer based on the severity and circumstances of the infringement.
You get the picture.
Kimi was caught on a technicality: he was hauling a boat and the total weight of the car and trailer was over the limit he could drive with his (normal) license. I think he was fined something like 10 daily fines, his total sum of fines: 30 000 EUR.
If a normal, middle income guy (ca. 2800 EUR/month gross income) was caught with the same offence, he would have been fined ca. 500 EUR. Doubling your income roughly doubles the amount of the fine.
To sum it up: if you're a citizen of an EU state, don't speed in Finland.
Jun 21, 2005 5:47:00 AM
- SoCal Alan
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Re: I am questioning my sanity
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Hurst said:
Quick question to those in Scandanavian countries: I hear that the severity of the ticket's value is based upon the income of the driver (I heard this through some absurd story about Kimi Raikkonen, where he was pulled over hauling something in an illegal zone and was fined heavily, due to his affluence). Is this true, and if so, where?
Yep, that's Finland.
There's a two-tier system for traffic tickets: smaller infringements, like not wearing a seat belt or not having your driver's license with you, have a fixed sum ticket. I think this was something like 50 EUR.
Speeding is always fined a minimum of 115 EUR, but if you speed enough (this is based on police officers judgement or ultimately, by court) or break the rules some other way, you get to the area we call "daily fine". This means that you get a ticket, which gets you eg. 10 daily fines and one daily fine is determined by your income, possible assets etc.
Finnish police has some examples at their web page for fines:
- running a red light = 10 fines
- speeding over 25 km/h over posted limit of > 60 km/h = 12 fines
- caught using a radar detector = 20 fines
- driving without a licence = 20 fines
The number of fines on speeding and other "measurable" offences can be raised or lowered by the officer based on the severity and circumstances of the infringement.
You get the picture.
Kimi was caught on a technicality: he was hauling a boat and the total weight of the car and trailer was over the limit he could drive with his (normal) license. I think he was fined something like 10 daily fines, his total sum of fines: 30 000 EUR.
If a normal, middle income guy (ca. 2800 EUR/month gross income) was caught with the same offence, he would have been fined ca. 500 EUR. Doubling your income roughly doubles the amount of the fine.
To sum it up: if you're a citizen of an EU state, don't speed in Finland.
Sorry, sounds like a corrupt system to me.
Need revenue? Go after the guy in the Mercedes or Porsche. 
Jun 21, 2005 8:25:44 AM
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Re: I am questioning my sanity
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SoCal Alan said:
Sorry, sounds like a corrupt system to me.
Actually it's just the basic envy-issue.
I guess the system stems from the notion that one daily fine equals one prison day and the lost income for that day, so that's whay your income is taken into account.
Only problem is that you can't sit your fines out in a prison unless you're deemed bankrupt
Yes, this system sucks. Current plan is to triple the amount of roads covered with speed cameras...
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