Jun 6, 2005 10:52:07 PM
- Trundle_GT3
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Jun 6, 2005 11:31:27 PM
- TopherV
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Jun 6, 2005 11:52:18 PM
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Re: Barrier Impact of crash
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Trundle997S said:
Explains alot....
It is not an acccurate depiction of the accident scene. What you see are pictures taken after the rescue crew arrived and rearranged the accident site in order to get Ben and Cory out of the car. A great deal was moved including the barrier.
Jun 7, 2005 7:08:48 AM
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Re: Wide shot
I witnessed the crash. He was on the brakes the entire time, off the pavement in milliseconds and completely lost traction on the wet grass.
Nick, the car was not relocated ... it simply bounced off the wall unable to absorb the impact. The CGT is simply not crashworthy. F1 cars routinely crash at these speeds with no injury to the driver. As it was clear at the factory, and I told Ben, the CGT is a prototype NOT a car.
When Walter Rohl said the car scared him, nobody understood that he was talking about his chances of surviving a crash. Really the CGT is a turtle compared to a full race car at 800hp and 1200lbs.
Nick, the car was not relocated ... it simply bounced off the wall unable to absorb the impact. The CGT is simply not crashworthy. F1 cars routinely crash at these speeds with no injury to the driver. As it was clear at the factory, and I told Ben, the CGT is a prototype NOT a car.
When Walter Rohl said the car scared him, nobody understood that he was talking about his chances of surviving a crash. Really the CGT is a turtle compared to a full race car at 800hp and 1200lbs.
Jun 7, 2005 8:23:32 AM
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Re: Wide shot
It's so sad to see how many unfortunate elements made up this accident.
*The official misjudging the situation
*The F-car pulling out
*The layout of the track with concrete barriers instead of tires
*The fact that he hit the barrier head-on and not "drove" along the side of it. Had he only had a chance of doing so, he might have simply scratched the side of the car and gotten slingshot across the track instead.
*The fact that it was morning - and the dew hadn't left the grass, making it impossible to brake on.
*The use of grass instead of gravel. They might as well have put a sheet of ice on the track. Grass makes sense in some ways, but it's pretty hard to brake on.
I talked to a friend who is very often on tracks and he said he had never even heard of anything like this. Usually amateurs like us only get a few dents and perhaps a bruise or two. Accidents like this are fortunately rare.
And RC - I think it was ok that you stopped the "what if "-debate thread before. However I dont think people have a need to find the "guilty" part here.
First of all it won't bring Ben or Corey back and secondly I believe whoever mistakenly waved the F-car out in front of Ben and Corey has such a hard time, we should all think about him/her too.
We can, however, learn from this - or at least try to learn.
When people are ready for it, I would welcome a thread on safety.
What we can all do actively and passively to make both road and track safer for ourselves and our fellow motorists.
I'm not trying to be overtly PC here - cause let's face it, we drive hi-performance sportscars...but I believe it's safe to say that we all want to keep enjoying our cars without endangering ourselves or others - or at least minimizing the risk.
*The official misjudging the situation
*The F-car pulling out
*The layout of the track with concrete barriers instead of tires
*The fact that he hit the barrier head-on and not "drove" along the side of it. Had he only had a chance of doing so, he might have simply scratched the side of the car and gotten slingshot across the track instead.
*The fact that it was morning - and the dew hadn't left the grass, making it impossible to brake on.
*The use of grass instead of gravel. They might as well have put a sheet of ice on the track. Grass makes sense in some ways, but it's pretty hard to brake on.
I talked to a friend who is very often on tracks and he said he had never even heard of anything like this. Usually amateurs like us only get a few dents and perhaps a bruise or two. Accidents like this are fortunately rare.
And RC - I think it was ok that you stopped the "what if "-debate thread before. However I dont think people have a need to find the "guilty" part here.
First of all it won't bring Ben or Corey back and secondly I believe whoever mistakenly waved the F-car out in front of Ben and Corey has such a hard time, we should all think about him/her too.
We can, however, learn from this - or at least try to learn.
When people are ready for it, I would welcome a thread on safety.
What we can all do actively and passively to make both road and track safer for ourselves and our fellow motorists.
I'm not trying to be overtly PC here - cause let's face it, we drive hi-performance sportscars...but I believe it's safe to say that we all want to keep enjoying our cars without endangering ourselves or others - or at least minimizing the risk.
Jun 7, 2005 8:45:58 AM
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Re: Wide shot
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quartermile said:
I witnessed the crash. He was on the brakes the entire time, off the pavement in milliseconds and completely lost traction on the wet grass.
Nick, the car was not relocated ... it simply bounced off the wall unable to absorb the impact. The CGT is simply not crashworthy. F1 cars routinely crash at these speeds with no injury to the driver. As it was clear at the factory, and I told Ben, the CGT is a prototype NOT a car.
When Walter Rohl said the car scared him, nobody understood that he was talking about his chances of surviving a crash. Really the CGT is a turtle compared to a full race car at 800hp and 1200lbs.
Looking at the second photo, the angle of the wall relative to the path of a car accidentally leaving the track is almost perpendicular. Angle of incidence is nearly zero degrees. What were they thinking, laying the concrete wall like that?
Jun 7, 2005 9:41:33 AM
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Jun 7, 2005 9:48:43 AM
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Re: Wide shot
What were they thinking, laying the concrete wall like that?
not the best way definately... there are so many obvious things that become obvious when sth like this happens, meanwhile nobody will notice.
about the safety of the CGT don't know what to say... a car can be very very safe but when it comes to this kind of crashes with so many G's involved it's pretty difficult to protect the people inside. If there is 1 meter of max deformation of the front for example and the car is going at 100 km/h then you can't do miracles, the best you can get is to get a constant deceleration in each of the mm of distance made in the impact and thus make the max acceleration minimum. And still it will be very hight...
Jun 7, 2005 12:01:42 PM
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Re: Wide shot
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No skid marks as said, very disturbing.
a user posted a link to a NBC TV news feature MPG video about the accident on F-chat:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61677&page=11&pp=20
-- skid marks are visible on the tarmac and then some meters on the grass.
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