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    Jun 1, 2005 12:49:41 PM

    GM AustinM
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    No Racing for the Cayman!

    As reported in AutoWeek today, chief engineer Wolfgang Durheimer has dispelled any rumors of racing for the Cayman:

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    The racing edge of Porsche is, and will remain, the 911. No production car will supplant it anytime soon. There is no plan for a Cayman intended for racing at any level.



    - click here for link to article -

    Jun 1, 2005 12:59:13 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Wow.....this article really says a lot.....although how true it is can always be another matter.

    Pretty much says there is no Club Sport / Lightweight version in the works at all, and that the Cayman S will be the top dog with maybe a 260HP version non-S coming....but not very soon.

    The idea of a version below the S is great, but 260HP in the sport coupe market is pretty much chump change now.....even if the car is relatively light. I wonder how it would do?

    Jun 1, 2005 2:49:03 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    I read same (or similar?) citation few month ago...

    Did we ever see a "rs", "cs" or whatever model with prohibition of slick-use in manual?
    Was the 968 CS slick-approved?

    And I guess we won't see the GT3/Turbo dry-sump-engine in the cayman...

    Jun 1, 2005 2:50:44 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Quote:
    GM Austin said:
    As reported in AutoWeek today, chief engineer Wolfgang Durheimer has dispelled any rumors of racing for the Cayman:

    Quote:
    The racing edge of Porsche is, and will remain, the 911. No production car will supplant it anytime soon. There is no plan for a Cayman intended for racing at any level.



    - click here for link to article -



    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!

    Jun 1, 2005 3:12:22 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!



    Didn't it have 300 HP in 2000?
    And now 295?
    They're kidding us...

    Jun 1, 2005 3:20:59 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Yes Porsche reduced the power of the "wet sump" 3.4 engine in the hope that the engines wouldn't go pop as often!

    Imagine racing a "wet sump" engined car - that would surely bring a quick end to Porsches racing heritage!

    Jun 1, 2005 3:25:53 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Was the 968 CS slick-approved?



    I don't think so. I know the 944 Turbo had rod bearing failures from hard track use with DOT-R tires, so I imagine 968 could have similar issues...

    Jun 1, 2005 3:27:01 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Quote:

    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!



    Didn't it have 300 HP in 2000?
    And now 295?
    They're kidding us...


    It had 300hp without the variocam - now it has 295hp WITH variocam...

    Jun 1, 2005 3:33:41 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    derbaas said:
    Quote:

    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!



    Didn't it have 300 HP in 2000?
    And now 295?
    They're kidding us...



    You guys seem to forget that this is how Porsche will make more money in the future......never have a motor put out its true (or past) potential.....you start out good, then bump it in a year or two and charge more $$$, etc. etc. etc....

    You guys should know better by now!

    Jun 1, 2005 3:47:55 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Grant said:
    Quote:
    derbaas said:
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    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!



    Didn't it have 300 HP in 2000?
    And now 295?
    They're kidding us...


    It had 300hp without the variocam - now it has 295hp WITH variocam...



    i'm sure it has 300+ hp, but they can't advertise that lest this car cannibalize 911 sales worse than it already will - ala the 6 cyl cayenne did to the S. S sales were cut almost exactly by the # of 6 cyl sales!

    btw, variocam doesn't increase power rather it broadens the powercurve by making more of the total power available earlier.

    Jun 1, 2005 3:56:51 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    never have a motor put out its true potential.....


    Yes, I noted this

    But a DECREASE of Power...

    (Grant is right: even WITH Variocam!)

    Jun 1, 2005 4:04:28 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Grant said:
    Quote:
    derbaas said:
    Quote:

    it's got the same weak 2000-2001 3.4 L no dry sump 911 motor. of course they're not gonna race it!



    Didn't it have 300 HP in 2000?
    And now 295?
    They're kidding us...


    It had 300hp without the variocam - now it has 295hp WITH variocam...



    Grant,

    Based on Porsche claims this is a reworked 3.2L Boxster S engine not the '99 - '01 911 3.4L. I initially thought that they used the same and reworked 3.4L engine that was in the first generation 911 but that's not the case .

    Jun 1, 2005 4:55:59 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Ron (Houston) said:
    Based on Porsche claims this is a reworked 3.2L Boxster S engine not the '99 - '01 911 3.4L. I initially thought that they used the same and reworked 3.4L engine that was in the first generation 911 but that's not the case .


    Ron - I believe there is no significant difference. The 987 Boxster S 3.2 is the same motor as the original 3.4L, but with less displacement and variocam heads. The Cayman S is the same motor punched out to 3.4L again like the 99 996 (but with variocam heads). They're all the same M96/97 motors with very minimal differences...

    Jun 1, 2005 5:07:05 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Weidiking is a money monkey.

    First he says the Cayman handles so well! Its so exciting! 10,000 Caymans a year we will sell! Blah blah blah.....

    The Cayman has been hyped just so it as the less costly version to build of a Boxster will produce more profit than a Boxster or 997. For that concept he is a financial genius!

    As for the Cayman maybe being a test in the water for a faster mid engine car to supplant the 911, I dont think so.
    If a mid engine model like that was in the cards, Porsche
    would be planning on racing the Cayman, and they are not.

    Jun 1, 2005 5:18:43 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Come on, they could have pushed it further and release the Cayman with 299hp...not to hit the 300hp limit ! :-)
    As if the almighty Porsche AG engineers could not make this whatever 986 or 996 based engine better than years ago...I don't buy it...(oh, Yes, I won't! lol).
    It's marketing...
    If they wanted this car to have more hp for same displacement and REALLY less weight than the boxster...they would have done it easily...

    Jun 1, 2005 5:29:30 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    Come on, they could have pushed it further and release the Cayman with 299hp...not to hit the 300hp limit ! :-)
    As if the almighty Porsche AG engineers could not make this whatever 986 or 996 based engine better than years ago...I don't buy it...(oh, Yes, I won't! lol).
    It's marketing...
    If they wanted this car to have more hp for same displacement and REALLY less weight than the boxster...they would have done it easily...



    Excellence used to be expected......

    Now we get excellence in marketing and vehicle performance is secondary.

    I suggest that any Porsche being produced that is not capable of being raced on slicks and receives no factory
    interest or support to race be boycotted.

    Let them use the GT1 engine across the model range.

    No matter how good the 997 is now, it would be miles better if it had the "real" engine!

    Jun 1, 2005 7:05:47 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    JimFlat6 said:Let them use the GT1 engine across the model range.

    No matter how good the 997 is now, it would be miles better if it had the "real" engine!


    I heartily agree, but I'm sure that PAG has calculated that the number of buyers would not increase much if they did (most buyers don't know the difference) and the profitability would certainly decrease drastically (I think the 964-based motors are 4x as expensive)

    Jun 1, 2005 11:02:01 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Things just keep getting more and more disappointing.....heavy, no more varients(but the standard cayman)etc...
    Doesn't porsche take pride in anything else but money making. Do they not care about being the best performance car company or watever...
    Maybe if there was some competition to the 911 and cayman and boxster, they would all be better.

    Jun 2, 2005 8:05:47 AM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    No matter how good the 997 is now, it would be miles better if it had the "real" engine!



    I have a scan of a very interesting article about the new 997-powerplants, focussing on the 997S-engine.
    The (very technical) article was published at
    the "Internationales Wiener Motorensymposium" and
    they're talking about "integrierter Trockensumpf"...???
    Sounds like yet another marketing-gag

    I could send the pdf to anyone interested in - but it is almost in german...

    Jun 2, 2005 7:41:31 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

    Oh, get over it guys - it is a Boxster coupe and will always be. If you want a more powerful car get a Carrera.

    Jun 2, 2005 9:49:09 PM

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    Re: No Racing for the Cayman!

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    derbaas said:
    The (very technical) article was published at
    the "Internationales Wiener Motorensymposium"

    I could send the pdf to anyone interested in - but it is almost in german...



    Why do you say "almost" in German?

    Did they translate it into "Austrian" for the Vienna Motor Symposium?
     
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