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Jul 29, 2016 1:38:34 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: 718 Boxster

mcdelaug:
I understand that Porsche evolves with emission regulations and technological advances. Regardless, I'll never own a 4 cylinder turbo of any brand. It simply can't provide the emotional impact I'm looking for. All the extra badging and claiming a connection to a race car of a previous generation may work for some, but I find it to be disingenuous. I'm going to take good care of my 981 GTS, it will be my last Porsche.

I have a Mini Coupe JCW with a turbo charged 4-cyl. engine. I like driving this car, it is comfy (seriously) and perfect for the city but I have no emotional attachment to this car whatsoever. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

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Jul 29, 2016 2:17:39 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Boxster

Tough crowd. I like driving my Mini S, it is a lot of fun. Went from a 8cyl Cayenne to a 6cyl Macan and honestly couldn't care less...

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Jul 29, 2016 2:42:51 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 718 Boxster

SciFrog:
Tough crowd. I like driving my Mini S, it is a lot of fun. Went from a 8cyl Cayenne to a 6cyl Macan and honestly couldn't care less...

I got older and the emotional part of a car started to be more important somehow. In the past, it had to be fast only, anything else didn't matter. Like I said...I got old...er. Smiley

I like how the new Boxster looks, Porsche paid attention to details, even if the interior is still the old one, basically. What this car lacks is driving emotions and while it is very agile and feels direct, the fun comes from the engine as well. I do not want to dramatize the lack of a better exhaust/engine sound because the car is not muted but I miss the old Boxer Flat Six, even if torque delivery/level is much better now, especially for city driving.

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Aug 19, 2016 6:44:36 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Boxster

I was checking some prices with my friend and we noticed something very interesting. I hope someone can chime in and explain this situation.

Brand new Cayman (300 PS) - 51.623 Euros in Germany

Used Cayman (272 PS) 2013 with 50k on clock - 43.490 Euros (this is cheapest one we saw on mobile.de)

So, is it possible that 3yr old car with damn 50k on clock lost less than 10k? Or we are searching used cars on wrong place.

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Aug 19, 2016 7:03:32 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Milanno

Re: 718 Boxster

There is no 2013 Cayman in the US... Goes 2012 then 2014. Wikipedia says the same.

Maybe look at 2012s

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Aug 19, 2016 7:10:57 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Boxster

remember the OPC markup is usually 10K on trade, so lost 20K at least (assuming list was paid)

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Aug 19, 2016 7:16:40 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: bridggar

Re: 718 Boxster

Certainly shows how optimistic dealers can be.. Guess you can assume they'd drop it a bit, and also don't forget pricing in the options on the new price..

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Aug 19, 2016 7:51:08 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 718 Boxster

I visited mobile.de again. Here is 2014 Cayman (272 PS), 40k on clock, standard equipment. Price - 48.990 Euros angry

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=231340832&scopeId=C&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&isSearch...

I will repeat, brand new Cayman with 300 hp and 0 km on clock is 51.623 Euros.

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Aug 19, 2016 8:02:10 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: Milanno

Re: 718 Boxster

It could be they are hoping (or maybe have experience) that used 6-cylinder Caymans command a premium over new 4-cylinder turbo 718 Caymans.

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Aug 19, 2016 8:12:33 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: apias

Re: 718 Boxster

You could be right, but in that perspective entry-level Porsche model is holding its price better than super limited editions, which is, kinda silly blush

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Aug 19, 2016 8:49:15 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Milanno

Re: 718 Boxster

How do you know the specs of these cars you're comparing though? A $40K used one might of have a $70K MSRP.

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Aug 19, 2016 8:56:59 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: apias

Re: 718 Boxster

apias:
It could be they are hoping (or maybe have experience) that used 6-cylinder Caymans command a premium over new 4-cylinder turbo 718 Caymans.

Could be.. I know this site only represents the 3% but I can't remember anyone showing any desire for the 718 at all.. I'm a serial Boxster fan but can't even be arsed to go and try a 4-cyl one..

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Aug 19, 2016 9:42:47 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 718 Boxster

DaveGordon:
Could be.. I know this site only represents the 3% but I can't remember anyone showing any desire for the 718 at all.. I'm a serial Boxster fan but can't even be arsed to go and try a 4-cyl one..

Exactly, its not particularly "desirable" car among people who are ready to pay premium price. I didnt paid attention on used Boxster prices for years until my friend asked me to look for some ads together with him.

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Aug 19, 2016 10:02:02 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Milanno

Re: 718 Boxster

I reckon 981 GTS values wil be rock solid.. I also wonder if the idea is to drive the fussy enthusiasts into coughing up for GT cars so they can get on with the real business of selling 4-cyl cars to the masses..

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Aug 19, 2016 10:07:23 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 718 Boxster

I agree, Cayman GTS and especially Cayman GT4 - those are awesome! But basic models to hold value so well, this was huge surprise for me!

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Aug 19, 2016 11:20:16 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Milanno

Re: 718 Boxster

I think you're just too used to buying or looking at high-end cars. more $50K cars don't depreciate that badly over a couple years like high-end ones do.

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Sep 6, 2016 1:20:59 PM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Boxster

Over the weekend I had the opportunity to do some 400 km (half Autobahn, half winding mountain b-roads) behind the wheel of a 718 2.0. Porsche did a great job again in finetuning the suspension (PASM) and steering: more feedback compared to the 981 and excellent roadholding at topspeed. While the engine is powerful enough for a canyon carver and even climbs up to 275 km/h on the Autobahn rather quickly (for a 4-pot turbo astonishing push at high rpm all the way up to redline) the "character" of the engine (or lack thereof...) does not fit the car at all IMHO and definitely "cheapens" the Boxster driving experience (as described in the top gear report on the car). To me the engine feels like a rumbling rough thing compared to the silky smooth 6-flat NA and does not belong into a Porsche commanding a premium price (sticker price was 78 kEUR with partial leather and standard seats). And this is even before taking the "sound" into consideration. Comment from Mrs. PJ: "whoever said this car sounds like a Beetle is insulting the Beetle" Smiley The PSE makes it only louder but not nicer Smiley I never thought that a "wrong" engine can spoil the driving experience so much in an otherwise great and lovely car Smiley

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Sep 6, 2016 4:07:15 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

Re: 718 Boxster

Thanks for feedback, Achim!

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Sep 6, 2016 4:08:38 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 718 Boxster

Grant:
Thanks for feedback, Achim!

+1 Smiley

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Sep 6, 2016 6:12:47 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

Re: 718 Boxster

Porsche-Jeck:
Over the weekend I had the opportunity to do some 400 km (half Autobahn, half winding mountain b-roads) behind the wheel of a 718 2.0. Porsche did a great job again in finetuning the suspension (PASM) and steering: more feedback compared to the 981 and excellent roadholding at topspeed. While the engine is powerful enough for a canyon carver and even climbs up to 275 km/h on the Autobahn rather quickly (for a 4-pot turbo astonishing push at high rpm all the way up to redline) the "character" of the engine (or lack thereof...) does not fit the car at all IMHO and definitely "cheapens" the Boxster driving experience (as described in the top gear report on the car). To me the engine feels like a rumbling rough thing compared to the silky smooth 6-flat NA and does not belong into a Porsche commanding a premium price (sticker price was 78 kEUR with partial leather and standard seats). And this is even before taking the "sound" into consideration. Comment from Mrs. PJ: "whoever said this car sounds like a Beetle is insulting the Beetle" The PSE makes it only louder but not nicer I never thought that a "wrong" engine can spoil the driving experience so much in an otherwise great and lovely car

I'd agree Achim having driven both versions of the car at Silverstone. The S version sounds even worse than the 2.0 Smiley and the new engines comprehensively ruin what otherwise would be a significant improvement over 981. It is priced crazily, but amazingly I have seen quite a few 718 on the roads in Southern England.

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Oct 4, 2016 10:43:44 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: 718 Boxster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzBsYMpuNXc

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Oct 5, 2016 4:03:50 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: 718 Boxster

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Oct 5, 2016 5:34:51 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 718 Boxster

The only real concern :

Is this car faster then a white GT4 ?

Is is as much fun as a white GT4 ? smiley

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Oct 5, 2016 5:57:29 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 718 Boxster

Gnil:
The only real concern :

Is this car faster then a white GT4 ?

Is is as much fun as a white GT4 ?

Smiley

I am definitely changing the white GT4 for a salmon 4-cylinder blower after having watched that... not Smiley

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Oct 5, 2016 7:26:02 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Boxster

bluelines:
Gnil:
The only real concern :

Is this car faster then a white GT4 ?

Is is as much fun as a white GT4 ?

I am definitely changing the white GT4 for a salmon 4-cylinder blower after having watched that... not

salmon should be prohibited on anything else then an RS + it looks horrible on anything but the RS Smiley

You should take it white !

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Oct 11, 2016 10:34:11 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 718 Boxster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ6oHbV0hbY

Corvette C7: 1:21.72
911(997) GT3: 1:22.20
718 Boxster S: 1:22.52
Mercedes AMT GT: 1:22.80
BMW M2: 1:23.50
Focus RS: 1:24.58

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Oct 12, 2016 5:13:25 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Topspeed

Re: 718 Boxster

It seems that it is mainly the infamous 3 % hard core Porsche drivers that are not happy with the 718 .

I read now a few reviews from different magazines and they all love it and think it is a way better car then the older car . They even think the new engine is better suited to the car and nicer is real life driving conditions .

The only criticism seems to be : nostalgia about the 6 cylinder from previous owners

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Oct 12, 2016 10:26:03 AM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 718 Boxster

Gnil:
It seems that it is mainly the infamous 3 % hard core Porsche drivers that are not happy with the 718 .

I read now a few reviews from different magazines and they all love it and think it is a way better car then the older car . They even think the new engine is better suited to the car and nicer is real life driving conditions .

The only criticism seems to be : nostalgia about the 6 cylinder from previous owners

+1

There will always be those who protect their own property. If you would have forced an 981 owner into a 718 I can bet that all the negatives would disappear with time and they would start focusing on the improvements.

It's like with everything. It doesn't matter what the manufacturere does. They will never satisfy 100%. If they can achieve 75% that is fabulous figures. I never so far seen anything on the internet, where it is possible to add comments, where everybody agree to something. It will probably never happen either Smiley

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Oct 12, 2016 10:35:53 AM

amazon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 2110, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 5, 2004; Reply to: lukestern

Re: 718 Boxster

Lukas:
Gnil:
It seems that it is mainly the infamous 3 % hard core Porsche drivers that are not happy with the 718 .

I read now a few reviews from different magazines and they all love it and think it is a way better car then the older car . They even think the new engine is better suited to the car and nicer is real life driving conditions .

The only criticism seems to be : nostalgia about the 6 cylinder from previous owners

+1

There will always be those who protect their own property. If you would have forced an 981 owner into a 718 I can bet that all the negatives would disappear with time and they would start focusing on the improvements.

It's like with everything. It doesn't matter what the manufacturere does. They will never satisfy 100%. If they can achieve 75% that is fabulous figures. I never so far seen anything on the internet, where it is possible to add comments, where everybody agree to something. It will probably never happen either

I'm sorry but in that last video, the boxster S sounds like shit. Smiley

If I was in the market, I would search for a pre-facelift car, and a GTS if possible. I'd be happier still with a 997 mkII carrera S.

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Oct 12, 2016 10:44:30 AM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: lukestern

Re: 718 Boxster

The 718 is a very good Porsche and better than the previous one in terms of key performance indicators . The flat six "magic" , however, is gone but this alone does not make the 718 a lesser Porsche (although it does not sound subjectively good).

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