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    OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    check this out...
    http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/13/techart-upgrades-porsche-911-turbo/
    The game has started...


    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Very nice. Horsepower improvements aside, I love the revised front and rear spoilers. It should have looked like this from the get go.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Sportec has a 580hp version too:


    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    The dual exhaust looks great on the black car because you can't see the trapezoid cutouts on the bumper as clearly. You would think that the after market exhaust manufactures would just make the tips fit the OEM opening in the bumper.

    Any idea how Sportec is producing this power? TechArt used different turbos, btw, I doubt TechArt's turbos use VTG.

    RC, any comments on removing one of the biggest advancements on the 997, the VTG? Biggest advancement for the gasoline turbo charged engine actually.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Quote:
    pierre said:
    Sportec has a 580hp version too:



    Will we see you in one soon ?

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    There are already a lot of kits out there on the market but if you like it or not...be cautious.

    Regarding removing the VTG chargers: in my opinion, this is a lame thing to do. I'm also not sure if this is a wise thing to do since the motronic software who directly controls the VTG chargers is also controlling PASM and PTM to some degree. Removing the VTG chargers and using old fashioned chargers instead is actually good for gaining more power but it is actually destroying the whole engineering of the car since PASM and PTM would actually needed to be switched off or at least crippled in their functions. I doubt that many tuners can do such a thing (it would require a lot of knowledge and testing), so I would NEVER buy a 997 Turbo which has been modified this way.
    The question is whether such a modded 997 Turbo is actually a 997 Turbo anymore...or just a 996 Turbo in 997 Turbo outfit.

    People are usually blind when it comes to power, they don't use their brain. The VTG technology is one of the major breakthroughs in the 997 Turbo, along with PTM and the electronically controlled viscous coupling. Removing the VTG technology from the 997 Turbo renders the whole engineernig job of Porsche actually obsolete, this is really a bad thing to do in my opinion.

    With the current VTG chargers power upgrades up to 550 HP aren't a problem. 550 HP (if they are REAL 550 HP) are enough for 0-200 kph in 10.8 sec. and 0-300 kph in 32 seconds, in my opinion this is enough. If somebody wants more, we're talking about substantially more money and extreme mods which actually can't be removed too easily.

    And another thing: tuning the 997 Turbo improves performance mainly in the upper 100-125 mph speed range.
    So in my opinion, tuning the 997 Turbo in speed limited countries is pretty much senseless. Unless you drive to Germany from time to time.
    For track racing, I'd invest the money in better tires (Michelin Cup) and better driving skills (driver ed events, maybe even personal training).
    The only REALLY needed thing regarding mods is actually the exhaust system. The exhaust sound is really lame and I wouldn't accept it longer than necessary.

    BTW: apparently, one or two tuners are planning using different VTG turbos for the 997 Turbo to achieve a power gain. These turbos are made to specs by Borg Warner, however I don't have any details yet and it may take a while. Meanwhile, I suggest you guys keep your power hunger/greed under control because what I said in the past is still valid: playing the guinea pig can be very very expensive.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Quote:
    RC said:
    playing the guinea pig



    RC, your English skills are great.

    Does this transliterate from German as something like "test chicken"?

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Quote:
    W8MM said:

    Does this transliterate from German as something like "test chicken"?



    Actually it would be a "test rabbit" (Versuchskaninchen)
    For the more courageous test rabbits there are crazy offers like a 910 hp engine on the market (I wonder why they haven't tuned it to 911 hp)

    http://9ff.de/en/products/details.php?n3id=5&artID=358&n2id=34&relID=2778

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    What do you guys say about this Techart tuning-kit? It still uses VTG and all the best, here in Finland our dealer is keeping full warranty alive, if Techart stuff is used.

    Should i take it?

    Thanks for help!!

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    If the warranty is intact- through writing- go for it!

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Finnish997

    What is the cost of the Techart tuning-kit? Is this the same warranty from Porsche or Techart? Is Techart doing this here is US...anyone?

    TIA,

    Mike

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    There is no price yet my dealer is installing all that Techart stuff, or if i do a factory pickup than im going straight to Techart. Sorry my bad english

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Quote:
    Stealth said:
    If the warranty is intact- through writing- go for it!



    There is no such thing. Even if your local Porsche dealer installs it, the warranty is gone. Unless your dealer is willing to "trick" Porsche, something I wouldn't risk since Porsche is asking for a motronic printout in case of a serious problem.
    Porsche even "punishes" dealers who are known to install aftermarket tuning kits, there is no official agreement.

    Some serious tuners are offering a 3rd party warranty for their tuning, this may be an alternative. Usually, this warranty costs extra money and it pays only if you can prove that Porsche denied payment for the warranty repair because of the tuning. A little bit tricky in my opinion but at least you have something written.

    Engine cost 997 Turbo: 30000 Euro.
    Turbo charger cost (one): 2800 Euro.

    Just for the book.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    i think our dealer is somekind of deal with techart. almost half of the 996 turbos here in Finland is tuned with techart parts.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Quote:
    RC said:
    There are already a lot of kits out there on the market but if you like it or not...be cautious.

    Regarding removing the VTG chargers: in my opinion, this is a lame thing to do. I'm also not sure if this is a wise thing to do since the motronic software who directly controls the VTG chargers is also controlling PASM and PTM to some degree. Removing the VTG chargers and using old fashioned chargers instead is actually good for gaining more power but it is actually destroying the whole engineering of the car since PASM and PTM would actually needed to be switched off or at least crippled in their functions. I doubt that many tuners can do such a thing (it would require a lot of knowledge and testing), so I would NEVER buy a 997 Turbo which has been modified this way.
    The question is whether such a modded 997 Turbo is actually a 997 Turbo anymore...or just a 996 Turbo in 997 Turbo outfit.

    People are usually blind when it comes to power, they don't use their brain. The VTG technology is one of the major breakthroughs in the 997 Turbo, along with PTM and the electronically controlled viscous coupling. Removing the VTG technology from the 997 Turbo renders the whole engineernig job of Porsche actually obsolete, this is really a bad thing to do in my opinion.

    With the current VTG chargers power upgrades up to 550 HP aren't a problem. 550 HP (if they are REAL 550 HP) are enough for 0-200 kph in 10.8 sec. and 0-300 kph in 32 seconds, in my opinion this is enough. If somebody wants more, we're talking about substantially more money and extreme mods which actually can't be removed too easily.

    And another thing: tuning the 997 Turbo improves performance mainly in the upper 100-125 mph speed range.
    So in my opinion, tuning the 997 Turbo in speed limited countries is pretty much senseless. Unless you drive to Germany from time to time.
    For track racing, I'd invest the money in better tires (Michelin Cup) and better driving skills (driver ed events, maybe even personal training).
    The only REALLY needed thing regarding mods is actually the exhaust system. The exhaust sound is really lame and I wouldn't accept it longer than necessary.

    BTW: apparently, one or two tuners are planning using different VTG turbos for the 997 Turbo to achieve a power gain. These turbos are made to specs by Borg Warner, however I don't have any details yet and it may take a while. Meanwhile, I suggest you guys keep your power hunger/greed under control because what I said in the past is still valid: playing the guinea pig can be very very expensive.



    Very well said RC! I approve completely and coudn't have said it better.

    As far as power is concerned there is plenty enough to have fun, especially in france and many, I mean many other countries . Did I mention many?

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    RC, there is one Gemballa GTR650 here in Finland and our dealer cant touch it except oil-change because if something really bad happens, owner can maybe blame Porsche or dealer somehow. Still Techart parts keeps warranty. Dont ask why, maybe I should ask more about it tomorrow.

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    Spoke to my finnish dealer today about my final options list and especially PCCB*.

    Both RC & Finnish997 were right. I spoke to the finnish importer/dealer today and yes they do give warranty for Techart stuff and no they don't do any tuning installations anymoore.

    Factory does get the engine log and there's no way fooling factory warrant in this matter.

    I think there should be plenty of hp to get started with...

    *PCCB costs in Finland 15 t Euro and I have been having hard time considering this option. Most of the people here in forum are in favor for PCCB. Thing cleared out when my dealer mentioned the fact that PCCB is retofittable when the price wouldn't be under local car tax (100 %). They try to arrange test drive - thing that is rather challenging: there are 4 cars equipped with PCCB here in the promised land of car-taxation. One of those being CGT makes me wishing that tryout would happen with that unit....

    -ESu

    Re: OMG 580HP @6000rpm and 700NM tq at 4850

    I stopped by CEC in Santa Monica last night to check out the Techart steering wheels and they had two turbos (one in GT silver and another in arctic).

    The GT silver one had the full techart body kit. The kit looks awesome and really changes the character of the car (sorry no pics, did not have my camera with me) but to me you can definitely tell it is a "kit", I think I prefer mods that look like they came from the factory that way.

     
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