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    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    Crash said:


    Us Europeans don't go for Ponzi schemes that Ferrari is running in the US, so cars here are usually sold at MSRP .



    That's why I'm into nice boats . In the US, you can get the coolest boats and still expect a big discount off MSRP.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    MKW said:
    In the crazy US market , you can buy a year old used C6 Z06 for about the price of a bare bones, no options Boxster S . If you want a 599 TODAY ( i.e., not on the MSRP wait list ) , expect to pay about 7- 8 times that price . The difference puts a used Carrera GT in your garage also !



    I think, in that environment I would go for the BoxsterS and a Carrera GT

    That would get me over the long wait for a 599GTB...

    BTW: How long is the expected wait for a 599GTB at MSRP in the US

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    So again good performance from Lambo after 200 kmh typically. 599 times are insane it is better than the factory claims

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    Another German mag w/impressive accel times for 599....even beating the AWD 997TT in the 0-100kph launch...

    Any handling data included?

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    VKSF said:
    Any handling data included?



    Unfortunately not... I look forward to the sportauto supertest of the 599GTB

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    ignoring Veyron, for handling imo the best two must be LP640 and 997 TT

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    MKSGR,

    isnt the 599 GTB 0-200 time average about 11-11.7.

    I remember a test done it @ 11.2 or 11.3

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    MKW said:
    In the crazy US market , you can buy a year old used C6 Z06 for about the price of a bare bones, no options Boxster S . If you want a 599 TODAY ( i.e., not on the MSRP wait list ) , expect to pay about 7- 8 times that price . The difference puts a used Carrera GT in your garage also !



    I think, in that environment I would go for the BoxsterS and a Carrera GT

    That would get me over the long wait for a 599GTB...

    BTW: How long is the expected wait for a 599GTB at MSRP in the US



    Actually, haven't heard of any guy who's a major repeat F buyer not being able to get 599 at MSRP within first 6-12mos of US launch....it's an "elitist" process based upon one's prior new F buying frequency/relationships/referrals...similar to gaining a desirable, short notice rsvn at FrenchLaundry or other desired restaurant or hotel/getting kids into a desired pvt school, etc....same, simple game....

    Hard to assess cost of 599 ownership in US....guys who get 599 early@MSRP will prob drive it for 5K mis and trade-in for MSRP for another copy of new, '08 599...so for many jaded guys, their F's are far more inexpensive on a cash basis than any steeply depreciating 65/997TT that they also own in their multi-car fleets....

    Also, in unusual case where a guy is new to major money and has no influential business pals to "introduce" him to FNA/local F dealer, he can simply buy a new 599 at mkt (some $150K premium to MSRP), drive it for 5K mis in a yr and prob sell it for some $50-75K deprec cost...not much different than one-yr deprec on a new 65/loaded 997TT.....

    Would argue today's new car prices are awfully cheap, esp given the lack of car price inflation over past 10-15 yrs, the dramatic deprec of dollar vs Euro over past 2-3 yrs and the incredibly cheap-money $0 down leases of US.....and then consider what were N-ring times and daily-usability of lighter, more focused cars from 5-10 yrs ago.....

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    VGA18 said:
    MKSGR,

    isnt the 599 GTB 0-200 time average about 11-11.7.

    I remember a test done it @ 11.2 or 11.3



    That is correct. 11.1, 11.2 and 10.3 (twice) are the figures available to date. Thus the average is around 11.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    VKSF said:
    Would argue today's new car prices are awfully cheap, esp given the lack of car price inflation over past 10-15 yrs



    You are the car maker's dream of a customer

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    wow! great numbers on the lp 640and 599... veyron apart of course...

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    0 to 300kph in under 30 seconds is amazing.

    Other than the Veyron,what other unmodified production street car can do that?

    The 599GTB sets a new benchmark for accelleration in a useable car that doesnt look ridiculous.

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    what about the CCX? or The Zonda F?

    i wonder what their 0-300kph times are

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    sdy284 said:


    what about the CCX? or The Zonda F?

    i wonder what their 0-300kph times are



    These are not quite production street cars...

    Of course, there are quicker cars! The Enzo did 0-300 in 26s, for example. And CCX and Zonda F should also be quicker than 30s.

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    26 seconds for the enzo? wow! are u sure about that?

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    dhayek said:
    26 seconds for the enzo? wow! are u sure about that?



    Yes, AMS published this figure in one of the high-speed tests of the last years

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    MKSGR,

    isnt the 599 GTB 0-200 time average about 11-11.7.

    I remember a test done it @ 11.2 or 11.3



    That is correct. 11.1, 11.2 and 10.3 (twice) are the figures available to date. Thus the average is around 11.



    Also, 10.4, according to Quattroroute.

    And yes, if I were a car maker, VKSF would be getting flowers and candy from me every February 14th .

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    These are not quite production street cars...




    and the veyron is?

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    sdy284 said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    These are not quite production street cars...




    and the veyron is?



    It has been stated that the 599GTB may well be the fastest production vehicle from 0 to 300 km/h. And that also excluded the Veyron from the start, as well as the Zondas and CCXs, which may or may not be faster.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    Crash said:
    Quote:
    sdy284 said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    These are not quite production street cars...




    and the veyron is?



    It has been stated that the 599GTB may well be the fastest production vehicle from 0 to 300 km/h. And that also excluded the Veyron from the start, as well as the Zondas and CCXs, which may or may not be faster.



    I was just throwing those cars into the comparison since JimFlat6 wondered if there were any other unmodified production cars that could get similar times

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    sdy284 said:
    Quote:
    Crash said:
    Quote:
    sdy284 said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    These are not quite production street cars...




    and the veyron is?



    It has been stated that the 599GTB may well be the fastest production vehicle from 0 to 300 km/h. And that also excluded the Veyron from the start, as well as the Zondas and CCXs, which may or may not be faster.



    I was just throwing those cars into the comparison since JimFlat6 wondered if there were any other unmodified production cars that could get similar times



    Even the 599 could hardly be called a "production" car with so few of them being made, but with over 1000 cars/annum (even more than that I believe) being built, it is truly a production vehicle, compared to the much rarer Zondas or the CCX (the sole vehicle ).

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    Wow! The 599 is fast. It seems to get faster with each test. Too bad they didn't do a top speed test.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    svtrader1 said:
    Wow! The 599 is fast. It seems to get faster with each test. Too bad they didn't do a top speed test.



    They actually did Just look at the table again (last line with red background color)...

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    I see the red strip at the bottom, but, those look like all the manufacturer's claims?

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    svtrader1 said:
    I see the red strip at the bottom, but, those look like all the manufacturer's claims?



    The text explains that the top-speeds shown are the outcome of the test (and no manufacturers claims).

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    svtrader1 said:
    Wow! The 599 is fast. It seems to get faster with each test. Too bad they didn't do a top speed test.



    1. I've been told tonight by one of our sources that there has been a typo and that the SLR numbers have been mixed up with the 599 numbers, with the exception of the top speed.
    Since this hasn't been confirmed yet by AMS, we should wait until we know for sure.

    2. Ferrari accompanied the 599 with a factory maintentance team to this test...sounds a little bit odd to me.

    Nethertheless, the test results of the tested cars are pretty impressive, maybe with the exception of the Aston Martin Vantage which in my opinion disappointed.

    The 997 Turbo performed like I expected...close to 40 seconds, pretty good compared to the old 996 Turbo.
    Add 70 horses to the 997 Turbo and you'll end up with a 0-300 kph time close to 30 seconds.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    RC said:
    [2. Ferrari accompanied the 599 with a factory maintentance team to this test...sounds a little bit odd to me.




    Not so odd ..... the Ferrari company is in a very good position to be able to assess the reliability and durability of its own products.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

    Fritz, they may have been there to add more dry ice to the
    secret fuel line cooler. Cooler fuel-better burn-more speed.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    JimFlat6 said:
    Fritz, they may have been there to add more dry ice to the
    secret fuel line cooler. Cooler fuel-better burn-more speed.




    They're more likely to be there to add ice to the timing crew's Camparis.

    If the car needs a fuel-line cooler they should run it alongside the "cold" side of the AC system like other car manufacturers do, eliminating the need for desperate measures like dry ice.

    Re: SUPERCAR TEST Auto Motor Sport

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    RC said:
    Quote:
    svtrader1 said:
    Wow! The 599 is fast. It seems to get faster with each test. Too bad they didn't do a top speed test.



    1. I've been told tonight by one of our sources that there has been a typo and that the SLR numbers have been mixed up with the 599 numbers, with the exception of the top speed.
    Since this hasn't been confirmed yet by AMS, we should wait until we know for sure.




    If the typo were in the chart only, I would find it possible. But they directly wrote in the text that the 599 Fiorano hits 100kph in just 3,5s which is two tenths of a second better than the factory claim and is really sensational for a front-engined RWD car...

    BTW, RC, what do you think of Heidl tuning ?

     
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