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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

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    Is that PDK shift pattern still backwards? ( up to downshift and back to upshift )


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    Leawood911:

    Is that PDK shift pattern still backwards? ( up to downshift and back to upshift )

    That's the new corrected "proper" direction now.  Just like sequential race cars and manual gearboxes (when in the center gate 3rd is forward and 4th is back)...


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    Very good 0-100, 0-200 time

    0-300 time is lower than colleagues here predicted,,, a little bit dissapointing


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    0-300 time for 991.1 tts is faster than 991.2 tts,,, how could that be!


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    Quarter mile in 10.53 is really flying


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    artur777:

    Very good 0-100, 0-200 time

    0-300 time is lower than colleagues here predicted,,, a little bit dissapointing

    Very disappointing, I think something not functioning quite right here since it is slower than the 560PS version.

    I'd love some feedback from RC's sources on this....... Porsche do have form on this, Carrera GT was around 7 seconds slower than claimed 0-300. 


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    TB993tt:
     

    I'd love some feedback from RC's sources on this....... Porsche do have form on this, Carrera GT was around 7 seconds slower than claimed 0-300. 

    What sources? The same who said that 25.X is a sure think? I am willing to bet against those "sources" anytime when they claim things that defy physics. Like cutting 4-5 seconds from 0-300 with 20hp more. 


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    Herbaliser:
    TB993tt:
     

    I'd love some feedback from RC's sources on this....... Porsche do have form on this, Carrera GT was around 7 seconds slower than claimed 0-300. 

    What sources? The same who said that 25.X is a sure think? I am willing to bet against those "sources" anytime when they claim things that defy physics. Like cutting 4-5 seconds from 0-300 with 20hp more. 

    It is perfectly possible for a PDK Porsche turbo CdA 0.58 with peak power 580PS to go 200-300kph in 16.5s.

    If the power curve at higher revs is similar to the one below and more importantly the hp is maintained after 250kph 

    It is not defying physics, you are just looking at and comparing peak numbers and you are presuming that the hp of the 560PS engine is as robust at higher thermal load as the hp of the 580PS engine.

    It seems to me that 580PS engine loses its power at the higher loading over 250kph, probably a thermal thing, Porsche used to be masters of maintaining power at high loads, I'd like to hear what RC's "sources" have to say about it ?


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    The 991.1 Turbo S engine reduces it's power at high speed. Because of this the 200 to 300 times were not so good.
    The sources said they fixed that and that's why they expect 25,x times for the .2.
    Depending on the power reduction of the .1 the .2 was expected to have 30-50 horses more than the .1 at high speed.

    It seems that these fixes made it not into to final car, maybe because Porsche fear reliability.
    I asume that the sources could not know at that time, that the improvements will not come to the final car.
    It obvious that the promised high speed improvements where not in the tested car.

    Yes, the times -300 of the .2 a disapointing because they are not really better than the .1 times.

     


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    acky:


    It seems that these fixes made it not into to final car, maybe because Porsche fear reliability.
    I asume that the sources could not know at that time, that the improvements will not come to the final car.
    It obvious that the promised high speed improvements where not in the tested car.


     

    It seems very plausible also that the "sources" misinformed RC with intend. If you know he is active at Rennteam it might be tempting to also spread some lies to make people order the cars. How should RC know if the information is true or not if most of the time it is correct.

    The 0-300 performance known to date (and I am excited for the SportAuto result) is indeed kind of a problem Smiley


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    0-250 kph is quite strong at 15.6

    0-300 it slows considerably at 30.2


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    TB993tt:

    It is not defying physics, you are just looking at and comparing peak numbers and you are presuming that the hp of the 560PS engine is as robust at higher thermal load as the hp of the 580PS engine.

    It seems to me that 580PS engine loses its power at the higher loading over 250kph, probably a thermal thing, Porsche used to be masters of maintaining power at high loads, I'd like to hear what RC's "sources" have to say about it ?


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    Actual Power & Torque = 593 PS / 765 Nm vs mfr's claim (580 PS / 750 Nm)

    It loses a lot of power Smiley


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    acky:

    The 991.1 Turbo S engine reduces it's power at high speed. Because of this the 200 to 300 times were not so good.

     

    That's not true. Low or high speed, the 991.1 TTS has 560 hp. That's why it gets to 300 in around 30s - predictably slower than it's 600hp competitors. The 991.2 is just 20hp more so no wonders to be expected. The rest are fantasies based on misinterpretations of the press release and the turbo pressure gauge of the car. Now when the simple facts come out, new conspiracy fantasies begin.


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    TB993tt:
    artur777:

    Very good 0-100, 0-200 time

    0-300 time is lower than colleagues here predicted,,, a little bit dissapointing

    Very disappointing, I think something not functioning quite right here since it is slower than the 560PS version.

    I'd love some feedback from RC's sources on this....... Porsche do have form on this, Carrera GT was around 7 seconds slower than claimed 0-300. 

    I don't have any feedback yet, I am interested in that as well. Very disappointing indeed.

    Btw: The Turbo/Turbo S, especially the convertible, seem to sell extremely well in Germany right now. The reason is quite surprising: Many customers argue that a fully equipped 991.2 C4S Cab is already close to 170k. So why not add another 40-50k and get the real thing since both are turbos? Makes sense. Many cars are leased, so the cost difference isn't that huge for customers.


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    Herbaliser:
    acky:

    The 991.1 Turbo S engine reduces it's power at high speed. Because of this the 200 to 300 times were not so good.

     

    That's not true. Low or high speed, the 991.1 TTS has 560 hp. That's why it gets to 300 in around 30s - predictably slower than it's 600hp competitors. The 991.2 is just 20hp more so no wonders to be expected. The rest are fantasies based on misinterpretations of the press release and the turbo pressure gauge of the car. Now when the simple facts come out, new conspiracy fantasies begin.

    Our sources told us a different story, this is why I am very surprised with the 30.x time. 


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    RC:
     

    Btw: The Turbo/Turbo S, especially the convertible, seem to sell extremely well in Germany right now.

    You have perfect roads in Germany and the convertible makes sense. Unfortunately when you drive on bad roads the problem with the wobbling becomes very annoying. One more time it proved useless to read journalists review - they were all claiming that you can't feel the difference with the 991 platform. That's total BS. I had a 991TTS coupe and now a convertible and it feels softer and the wobbling of the steering column drives me crazy sometimes. That's the last non carbon fibre convertible I am buying.  The 911 is still by far the best convertible execution in the world, but the loss of stiffness can still be felt...


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    Must admit I have never driven the 991 TTS coupe but I have never felt my 991 TTS Cab to be soft or wobble at all and I drive on roads that are just crap here on long island. I do have rattles that my dealer dealt with recently but bit by bit they are coming back due to the constant rough road driving. 


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    EnglishManInNY:

    Must admit I have never driven the 991 TTS coupe but I have never felt my 991 TTS Cab to be soft or wobble at all and I drive on roads that are just crap here on long island. I do have rattles that my dealer dealt with recently but bit by bit they are coming back due to the constant rough road driving. 

    Same here, I rather suspect there is/was something wrong with the car... Smiley

    We have pretty bad roads in Bavaria, small countryside roads which are amazingly fun in summer time but the quality isn't very denture friendly. Smiley Never had issues, on the contrary, the 991 Turbo S felt rock solid and the convertible isn't really different. Smiley


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    Nothing wrong with the particular car. It's just that you haven't done an immediate comparison between the cab and the coupe which I did. It's the single tradeoff of the convertible.


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    Herbaliser:

    Nothing wrong with the particular car. It's just that you haven't done an immediate comparison between the cab and the coupe which I did. It's the single tradeoff of the convertible.

    I drove the cab on some pretty bad roads around Ludwigsburg and I cannot say I was not impressed with stiffness. Smiley


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    RC:
    Herbaliser:

    Nothing wrong with the particular car. It's just that you haven't done an immediate comparison between the cab and the coupe which I did. It's the single tradeoff of the convertible.

    I drove the cab on some pretty bad roads around Ludwigsburg and I cannot say I was not impressed with stiffness. Smiley

    Same here - hardly any difference even to a GT2RS with cage Smiley


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    MKSGR:
    RC:
    Herbaliser:

    Nothing wrong with the particular car. It's just that you haven't done an immediate comparison between the cab and the coupe which I did. It's the single tradeoff of the convertible.

    I drove the cab on some pretty bad roads around Ludwigsburg and I cannot say I was not impressed with stiffness. Smiley

    Same here - hardly any difference even to a GT2RS with cage Smiley

    Than you are blessed with insensitivity to steering column tremors and chassis flex. After driving the GT2 RS, the 991 TTS cab felt to me as if it's build on a ladder frame :)...Ok, it's not so bad, but the difference is huge. 


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    Herbaliser:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    Herbaliser:

    Nothing wrong with the particular car. It's just that you haven't done an immediate comparison between the cab and the coupe which I did. It's the single tradeoff of the convertible.

    I drove the cab on some pretty bad roads around Ludwigsburg and I cannot say I was not impressed with stiffness. Smiley

    Same here - hardly any difference even to a GT2RS with cage Smiley

    Than you are blessed with insensitivity to steering column tremors and chassis flex. After driving the GT2 RS, the 991 TTS cab felt to me as if it's build on a ladder frame :)...Ok, it's not so bad, but the difference is huge. 

    Either you drive the car off-road or your car might in fact have a damage Smiley


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    yes


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    Sport Auto test

    Audi R8 V10 Plus vs Lamborghini Huracan LP610-4 vs Porsche 991.2 Turbo S


    Hockenheim: 1.09,0 / 1.07,5 / 1.08,5


    Acceleration (KPH):

    0-40: 1,0 / 1,0 / 1,0
    0-100: 3,0 / 2,9 / 2,9
    0-160: 6,1 / 6,1 / 6,3
    0-200: 9,5 / 9,3 / 9,9


    Slalom (18m): 72,4 kph / 72,4 kph / 72,2 kph


    Braking:

    100-0 (Cold): 39,8 m / 39,2 m / 33,8 m
    100-0 (Warm): 33,2 m / 32,9 m / 33,0 m
    200-0: 133,3 m / 130,7 m / 126,9 m

    Weight: 1,658 kg / 1,564 kg / 1,616 kg


    Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 / Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R / Pirelli P Zero

    Points (100): 90 / 93 / 92


    - Base Price: 187,400 Eur / 201,705 Eur / 202,872 Eur
    - Price w/Options: 209,300 Eur / 229,135 Eur / 206,192 Eur


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    Trofeo R against P Zero isnt anywhere near fair.


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    Why do they bother making comparison tests when using such different tires? Cups and Trofeos vs normal sport tire heart

    At a first glance the Turbo looks like a looser, but when adding the tire-factor it looks more like the winner.

     


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    bluelines:

    Why do they bother making comparison tests when using such different tires? Cups and Trofeos vs normal sport tire heart

    At a first glance the Turbo looks like a looser, but when adding the tire-factor it looks more like the winner.

     

    I don't know if Cup2's are an option on Turbo S.  If not, then I guess nobody to blame except Porsche...


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    Different tires - what difference in acc times can lead to? could you point out?


     
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