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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Intersting analogy. Well except for a few models Porsche is going in the wrong direction then...

    So Porsche is Rolex, ferrari Richard Mille, RR is Patek, Bentley is Breguet...


    Re: Cayman GT4

    SciFrog:

    Intersting analogy. Well except for a few models Porsche is going in the wrong direction then...

    So Porsche is Rolex, ferrari Richard Mille, RR is Patek, Bentley is Breguet..

    so going by that analogy.... 

    RR and Porsche have the best resale value and brand exposure.

    Ferraris are over-priced and more for showing off after people get sick of buying Porsches.

    and Bentley, well.... no one cares about their new offerings.  Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    This is all toooooo funny...


    Re: Cayman GT4

    sfo:
    vantagesc:

    Grant,

    I think Pete's analogy to mechanical wristwatches is absolutely spot on.  I adore wearing my mechanical watches even though my iPhone tells better time and I don't have to wind it or reset the time.  Cars are now too fast for public roads and now manufactures must pay attention to other aspects to keep us interested.

    +1

    Since I got it, I wear my Apple Watch (cheapest one, black on black) on a daily basis and I just love it because I do not have to look at my iPhone when I receive messages or news.

    However, whenever I meet with friends in a nicer location or I just go there with my wife (restaurant, city, weekend meet or whatever), I put on a classic watch. Yes, maybe I'm a snob or show off but I don't care. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    More intel on the bucket seats situation as I have heard it.  Bear in mind this may only apply to RHD production.

    • P11 LWB now on stop unless you had an order accepted and already on the system. Any amendments to such orders run the risk of LWB being rejected again.
    • Orders currently being processed with P11 LWB are subject to 10-12 week delays.
    • No new forward orders for P11 LWB will be accepted at this time.
    • P03 folding buckets now available to order as an alternative however cost increased from £1907 (for P11) to £2226 (P03).
    • P03 folding buckets only apply to orders before August at which time P11 LWB will be available once again at the original cost and at this time all associated delays are expected to be resolved.

    If true this is excellent news for me, in that my October slot will now be October again and I should be able to have P11 LWB.

    Bit of a fiasco though and makes you wonder if Porsche are just using the 2 month hold / substitution of P03 buckets to stockpile enough P11 LWB for the remaining production run.yes


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    Current - Aston V12 Vantage, Morning Frost White, Buckets, Manual

     

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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Adam2S:

    More intel on the bucket seats situation as I have heard it.  Bear in mind this may only apply to RHD production.

    • P11 LWB now on stop unless you had an order accepted and already on the system. Any amendments to such orders run the risk of LWB being rejected again.
    • Orders currently being processed with P11 LWB are subject to 10-12 week delays.
    • No new forward orders for P11 LWB will be accepted at this time.
    • P03 folding buckets now available to order as an alternative however cost increased from £1907 (for P11) to £2226 (P03).
    • P03 folding buckets only apply to orders before August at which time P11 LWB will be available once again at the original cost and at this time all associated delays are expected to be resolved.

    If true this is excellent news for me, in that my October slot will now be October again and I should be able to have P11 LWB.

    Bit of a fiasco though and makes you wonder if Porsche are just using the 2 month hold / substitution of P03 buckets to stockpile enough P11 LWB for the remaining production run.yes

    Stockpiling of parts is not a favoured solution in an age of just-in-time deliveries. Restricted production quantities would be more likely be catered for by "rationing" orders of the option concerned.
    From your description it sounds more likely that production of P11 seats has been unexpectedly interrupted by some sudden event, such as a bankrupt supplier or a factory fire, for example, and that it is taking some time before it can be restarted again, maybe at another site.   Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    GT4 at The Goodwood Festival of Speed

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/motor-shows-goodwood-festival-speed/cayman-gt4-wins-goodwoods-seal-approval


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    On Order - Cayman GT4, Racing Yellow, LWB


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Nice!


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    kisskisskiss


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Quote: ...the GT4 is flattering and forgiving... Unquote , SmileySmileySmiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    I'm actually not sure it's a good thing if the car is too forgiving.  In many cars you get out what you put in.   Some cars require some concentration which keeps the driver engaged.  Is that the case here?


    Re: Cayman GT4

    derder:
    SciFrog:

    Intersting analogy. Well except for a few models Porsche is going in the wrong direction then...

    So Porsche is Rolex, ferrari Richard Mille, RR is Patek, Bentley is Breguet..

     

    Ferrari is definitely NOT Richard Mille because the soul of Ferraris are their  in house made engines, everything else pretty much outsourced to outside auto suppliers or the Fiat parts bin for the mundane parts down in the bowels .

    RM is the opposite ..building a few in house casing pieces and parts but mainly being a final assembler and marketing machine . They outsource  all their movements ( engines ) from bespoke to order outfits  such as Vaucher or APRP .

    Building movements all in house is what separates the men from the boys ..like MBZ from super expensive kit car builders such as Zagonda , which RM is more similar to.

    Ferrari would not be held in the same esteem if all their  motors were built by AMG, Ricardo , etc...because when all is said and done, their  cars values are still really what has been jokingly but lovingly said through the years : it is all about their engines and the body and chassis and interior are thrown in for free , for your $300K + !


    Re: Cayman GT4

    vantagesc:

    I'm actually not sure it's a good thing if the car is too forgiving.  In many cars you get out what you put in.   Some cars require some concentration which keeps the driver engaged.  Is that the case here?

    Let's not get too stuck up on interpreting one single word Smiley The GT4 is exceptionally well balanced. You can throw it around and abuse it very hard without upsetting the handling. You cannot do this with a 911, not even the latest 991. Hence it is more "forgiving" if you like. So are all 98x models, actually.

    As to your concern, you get what you put in and I am confident there is no other car in the entire Porsche line-up which will keep you as engaged as the GT4. I think you would have to go back to a 997 GT3 RS to get the same level of engagement and involvement as a driver.

    Amen Smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Thanks.  I raise it because it's something that almost every review has raised.  I know in my Lotus you cannot just throw the car around without regard to weight transfer etc. I see a lot of first time drivers spin. :)


    Re: Cayman GT4

    MKW:
     

    Building movements all in house is what separates the men from the boys ..like MBZ from super expensive kit car builders such as Zagonda , which RM is more similar to.

     

    I meant to write "  such as  Pagani's Zonda " , not Zagonda 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    vantagesc:

    Thanks.  I raise it because it's something that almost every review has raised.  I know in my Lotus you cannot just throw the car around without regard to weight transfer etc. I see a lot of first time drivers spin. :)

    I was surprised how much you could throw it around on the track without regard to weight transfer. I managed a few mistakes in the turns, but the car was on rails. My 991 C4S would have spun off, and I did twice last year, with this treatment. 


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: Cayman GT4

    I don't have a subscription to Top Gear (maybe someone here has digital subscription), but they just had the 2015 Speed Week and the GT4 and the 458 Speciale tied for first place afaik (from another forum).

    Here are some excerpts:

    "The Ferrari costs 208k pounds, which makes the Cayman even more of a bargain. Here is a car that feels more 911 GT3 than warmed up Cayman S. A car that polishes your inputs, refines your abilities. A manual gearbox that adds extra involvement, matches your downshifts as you brake and change direction, carving and slicing through the countryside with monotonous brilliance.The engine builds to a raw, mechanical climax, the suspension is firm but compliant, and there's always more - more grip, more speed, more fun. It's an almost seminal sports car at this price level. At any level. It dominated the track, and on real world roads, it's another flawless performance.'

    ...The GT4 is imperious, incredible, and well worth selling a child for"

    Other cars included Huracan, Z06, GT-R, AMG GT-S, Elise 220 Cup, Caterham 420R, etc...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     


    Re: Cayman GT4

    That sums it all up pretty well! kiss


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Grant, I bought the issue for $5 in Apple newsstand. Was a really short article and not worth it just for GT4 content.  The full article is on RL anyway.   

    If the car feels like it is on rails on the track, need to drive faster!  It will be interesting whether this "easy" trait of the GT4 will be a positive or negative for me in the end.  Definitely will make setting a lap time more confidence inspiring but at the same time I've always enjoyed driving a car the requires some respect.  Grippy tires tend to mask a lot too as you have to be going very fast to really experience how the car handles on the limit  

    Perhaps this is why some people just prefer 911 handling dynamics though in some ways they are inferior to mid engine design. 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" wink

    Mario Andretti


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Nice video of the GT4 at Goodwood.  Henry Catchpoke commenting that it's one of the most fun cars he's driven.  

    http://youtu.be/W52n_Wwfyik


    Re: Cayman GT4

    MKW:
    MKW:
     

    Building movements all in house is what separates the men from the boys ..like MBZ from super expensive kit car builders such as Zagonda , which RM is more similar to.

     

    I meant to write "  such as  Pagani's Zonda " , not Zagonda 


    Zagonda sounds just as nice. Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    I got to sit in a GT4 today - friend had it delivered 2 weeks before launch date somehow.  I was relieved that I had enough headroom in LWB seats with a helmet!  Headrest does tend to push your chin down with helmet though - might look for a slimmer helmet.  Very cool car!  No driving nor riding yet - was parked getting a clear bra...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Cayman GT4 review by TheGetawayer:

    http://youtu.be/nOx_2dIg4Zo


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Nice review.  I wonder who will be the first to offer a lower ring & pinion - hopefully Porsche Motorsport.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Grant:

    I got to sit in a GT4 today - friend had it delivered 2 weeks before launch date somehow.  I was relieved that I had enough headroom in LWB seats with a helmet!  Headrest does tend to push your chin down with helmet though - might look for a slimmer helmet.  Very cool car!  No driving nor riding yet - was parked getting a clear bra...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     

    Sat in one at Festival of Speed - main things that struck me were a very heavy clutch, great short-shift gear linkage but I don't like the new sport design wheel, it is spoilt by horrible cheap plastic inserts in the spokes. I know the old sport design wheel has plastic trim on the spokes but it is not so obviously cheap and nasty.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    heavy clutch as in 997 GT3 heavy?  or just heavier than your boxster GTS?

     

    been hearing mixed opinions re the clutch weight. but i guess each person's perception of heavy is different.  standard boxster clutch is featherweight compared with 997 GT3/RS clutches!


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    GT4 clutch is no where near 997 GT3 heavy .

    It felt actually pretty comfortable to me . Like in my 964


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Does the clutch have an assistance system (servo)? 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    derder:

    heavy clutch as in 997 GT3 heavy?  or just heavier than your boxster GTS?

     

    been hearing mixed opinions re the clutch weight. but i guess each person's perception of heavy is different.  standard boxster clutch is featherweight compared with 997 GT3/RS clutches!

    I've not had the privilege to experience a GT3 sadly. I understand it is heavier to keep the throw shorter which makes sense. Smiley

    ....and yes clutch is much heavier than my GTS - it's got PDK Smiley

     

     


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