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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Not the GT3 engine then. It makes sense because else the price would have to be increased substantially (compared to the predecessor). At least it's staying NA kiss

    What about the Spyder ? Does it get the same engine again? 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:

    Not the GT3 engine then. It makes sense because else the price would have to be increased substantially (compared to the predecessor). At least it's staying NA kiss

    What about the Spyder ? Does it get the same engine again? 

    the twin will be the same ctrl+c/ctrl+v without roof Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    the-missile:
    Gauss:

    Not the GT3 engine then. It makes sense because else the price would have to be increased substantially (compared to the predecessor). At least it's staying NA kiss

    What about the Spyder ? Does it get the same engine again? 

    the twin will be the same ctrl+c/ctrl+v without roof Smiley

    -10hp as usual Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    lukestern:
    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.

    Like i said in a previous comment.

    Also tought weird filming so much in detail except the interior.

    By the way, photos of that car in that spot have been posted in Instagram for over a week now. Funny the video only appeared last couple of days.

    By the way, i didnt noticed those "electric pop-out door handles"! Thanks.

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    lukestern:
    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.

    Like i said in a previous comment.

    Also tought weird filming so much in detail except the interior.

    By the way, photos of that car in that spot have been posted in Instagram for over a week now. Funny the video only appeared last couple of days.

    By the way, i didnt noticed those "electric pop-out door handles"! Thanks.

     

    McLaren leads with carbon fibre tub whilst Porsche keeps advancing door handle mechanics on the 911.  One may recall that the 991.2 featured revised door handles too.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Whoopsy:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Let's see... I hear the GT4 is confirmed with 4.0 litre Porsche motorsport engine, so that may provide a good indication, along with the RSR win at Le Mans! kiss

    I was talking about the 992...just in case you didn't notice. Smiley
    718 GT4 has been confirmed with the 4.0 l GT engine? Did I miss something? Smiley

    Whoopsy confirmed it Smiley

    Well, he certainly has more information about the GT4 than I do. Smiley

    IMG_7832.jpg

     

    That information is no longer correct since my visit to Weissach.

    When I was told 4.0L, I had automatically assumed it was the Motorsport engine as that's the only 4.0L Porsche had as that time.

    But it would seem the GT4 will have the existing 3.8L enlarged to 4.0L instead, 420HP. The Motorsport 4.0L will goes to the GT4RS. IF it ever comes to market. 

    The 420HP 4.0L engine will also be in the next GT4CS, which will come in 3 versions, a base spec track car, a trophy spec for spec racing and a SRO homologated version for IMSA and International racing.

    If the same motor will be in the GT4 CS, including a homologation version for IMSA and International racing, that certainly sounds like a naturally-aspirated Porsche motorsport engine...  image.gif


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Isn't the interesting thing what will be presented at Goodwood in a couple of weeks? If that has an NA motor then it must be Euro 6C? If so then it can also be used in a second batch of RS and potentially further? 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    CGX car nut:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    lukestern:
    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.

    Like i said in a previous comment.

    Also tought weird filming so much in detail except the interior.

    By the way, photos of that car in that spot have been posted in Instagram for over a week now. Funny the video only appeared last couple of days.

    By the way, i didnt noticed those "electric pop-out door handles"! Thanks.

     

    McLaren leads with carbon fibre tub whilst Porsche keeps advancing door handle mechanics on the 911.  One may recall that the 991.2 featured revised door handles too.

    I said i didnt noticed the electric pop up door handles on the video, i didnt said it was a tech advance.

    I dont mean any disrespect but you should stick with the McLaren forum since (acording to your comment) you´re such a die hard fan!!!

     

     

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Whoopsy:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Let's see... I hear the GT4 is confirmed with 4.0 litre Porsche motorsport engine, so that may provide a good indication, along with the RSR win at Le Mans! kiss

    I was talking about the 992...just in case you didn't notice. Smiley
    718 GT4 has been confirmed with the 4.0 l GT engine? Did I miss something? Smiley

    Whoopsy confirmed it Smiley

    Well, he certainly has more information about the GT4 than I do. Smiley

    IMG_7832.jpg

     

    That information is no longer correct since my visit to Weissach.

    When I was told 4.0L, I had automatically assumed it was the Motorsport engine as that's the only 4.0L Porsche had as that time.

    But it would seem the GT4 will have the existing 3.8L enlarged to 4.0L instead, 420HP. The Motorsport 4.0L will goes to the GT4RS. IF it ever comes to market. 

    The 420HP 4.0L engine will also be in the next GT4CS, which will come in 3 versions, a base spec track car, a trophy spec for spec racing and a SRO homologated version for IMSA and International racing.

    If the same motor will be in the GT4 CS, including a homologation version for IMSA and International racing, that certainly sounds like a naturally-aspirated Porsche motorsport engine...  image.gif

     

    Not really. The old 3.8L has already been race tested being inside the current GT4CS, and it's bullet proof. No one has any engine trouble for all of 2 seasons. But the ABS system is on the other hand a different story. It gets confused easily.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    CGX car nut:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    lukestern:
    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.

    Like i said in a previous comment.

    Also tought weird filming so much in detail except the interior.

    By the way, photos of that car in that spot have been posted in Instagram for over a week now. Funny the video only appeared last couple of days.

    By the way, i didnt noticed those "electric pop-out door handles"! Thanks.

     

    McLaren leads with carbon fibre tub whilst Porsche keeps advancing door handle mechanics on the 911.  One may recall that the 991.2 featured revised door handles too.

    I said i didnt noticed the electric pop up door handles on the video, i didnt said it was a tech advance.

    I dont mean any disrespect but you should stick with the McLaren forum since (acording to your comment) you´re such a die hard fan!!!

     

     

     

    It was a joke based on the 991.2 press release listing a revised door handle profile.  One understands that Porsche and McLaren are approaching the marketplace from two different ends.  The 911 starts off at a significantly price point than that of McLaren.  However, this means that Porsche with higher end variants run slightly less technologically interesting solutions than McLaren.  


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    CGX car nut:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    CGX car nut:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:
    lukestern:
    Enzo II:

    https://youtu.be/iX49EGul73g


    This for sure must be a informal Porsche published video. Why not otherwise film more of the interior?

    Interesting with the electric pop-out door handles for better aerodynamics.

    Like i said in a previous comment.

    Also tought weird filming so much in detail except the interior.

    By the way, photos of that car in that spot have been posted in Instagram for over a week now. Funny the video only appeared last couple of days.

    By the way, i didnt noticed those "electric pop-out door handles"! Thanks.

     

    McLaren leads with carbon fibre tub whilst Porsche keeps advancing door handle mechanics on the 911.  One may recall that the 991.2 featured revised door handles too.

    I said i didnt noticed the electric pop up door handles on the video, i didnt said it was a tech advance.

    I dont mean any disrespect but you should stick with the McLaren forum since (acording to your comment) you´re such a die hard fan!!!

     

     

     

    It was a joke based on the 991.2 press release listing a revised door handle profile.  One understands that Porsche and McLaren are approaching the marketplace from two different ends.  The 911 starts off at a significantly price point than that of McLaren.  However, this means that Porsche with higher end variants run slightly less technologically interesting solutions than McLaren.  

    Confusion cleared!!!

    Enjoy the Forum!!!

    Best Regards.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    DaveGordon:

    Isn't the interesting thing what will be presented at Goodwood in a couple of weeks? If that has an NA motor then it must be Euro 6C? If so then it can also be used in a second batch of RS and potentially further? 

    I thought that was a set case , GT3 engine , but then who knows ..... seems to be a confusing time, but then I can't imagine they didn't manage to get the GT3 engine homologated . 

    Swapping last moment to the  rebored 3.8 would be easy 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    spot the difference

    992/991.2

     

    19D91C80-F683-4ACA-9EF2-CDD1E33C40BB.jpeg


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Not crazy about the fender edges (larger vertical flat edge.) I'm still hoping we get back to clean fender lips, like the 928 below...

    1987_Porsche_928_S4_front.jpg


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    992 has a particulate filter, still 6-cyl. boxer engine though. No 4-cyl in the 992, thank god.

    Regarding McLaren and the Carbon tub and Porsche: Porsche seems to think that the weight advantage isn't essential, they try to cope with the weight using a different approach, incl. the mild hybridization which apparently seems to boost performance as well.

    I admire McLaren a lot for their light weight approaches but I think Porsche is also under pressure to keep high gain margins per car, so... Smiley It would be interesting to take a peek at the gain margins of McLaren and Porsche, I mean the ones we won't going to see or learn about (there are only guesses...I think).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    RC:

    992 has a particulate filter, still 6-cyl. boxer engine though. No 4-cyl in the 992, thank god.

    Regarding McLaren and the Carbon tub and Porsche: Porsche seems to think that the weight advantage isn't essential, they try to cope with the weight using a different approach, incl. the mild hybridization which apparently seems to boost performance as well.

    I admire McLaren a lot for their light weight approaches but I think Porsche is also under pressure to keep high gain margins per car, so... Smiley It would be interesting to take a peek at the gain margins of McLaren and Porsche, I mean the ones we won't going to see or learn about (there are only guesses...I think).

    I also think that a Porsche is more seen as a daily driver, and customers will not accept the cost of reparation of a CF tub. McLaren is more seen as a supercar with the associated cost. They can afford to charge sky-high prices for reparation, where Porsche can not (for the 911 range).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Joost:
    RC:

    992 has a particulate filter, still 6-cyl. boxer engine though. No 4-cyl in the 992, thank god.

    Regarding McLaren and the Carbon tub and Porsche: Porsche seems to think that the weight advantage isn't essential, they try to cope with the weight using a different approach, incl. the mild hybridization which apparently seems to boost performance as well.

    I admire McLaren a lot for their light weight approaches but I think Porsche is also under pressure to keep high gain margins per car, so... Smiley It would be interesting to take a peek at the gain margins of McLaren and Porsche, I mean the ones we won't going to see or learn about (there are only guesses...I think).

    I also think that a Porsche is more seen as a daily driver, and customers will not accept the cost of reparation of a CF tub. McLaren is more seen as a supercar with the associated cost. They can afford to charge sky-high prices for reparation, where Porsche can not (for the 911 range).

    +1

    I can't see the non-GT cars using a CF tub. They are anyway not in the same league as McLaren hence pointless to compare. The GT cars maybe, but pricing will surely be different then.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Carbon tubs are difficult to produce in the quantities required for 911 sales and still far more costly than the traditional pressed steel floorpan method used by Porsche. They also transmit more noise into the cabin which would be unacceptable to most 911 buyers.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Alfa made Carbon tubs for the 4C. If Alfa can do it on such a car in this price tag, I don't see why Porsche can't in a higher price tag.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    The 4C is low volume and not cheap at all for what you get (the engine for example is 1.7 four-pot engine) unless you buy it second hand.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    appreciate all the great info on the 992!

    curious if anyone knows what the 992's weight distribution will be and if they will move the engine "forward" like Porsche did with the 991?  (I read "the engine was moved  ~7cm forward in the 991 from the 997")

    thanks!


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Dallara made the tubs for the 4C. Only works with small volumes.

    Having said that - who made BMW’s i3 shell? Or do they just sell them as a loss-leader.?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Don’t forget the i8 too.  


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Joost:

    I also think that a Porsche is more seen as a daily driver, and customers will not accept the cost of reparation of a CF tub. McLaren is more seen as a supercar with the associated cost. They can afford to charge sky-high prices for reparation, where Porsche can not (for the 911 range).

    Even more than potential repair issues, the CF tubs I am aware of all have a fairly wide door sill that one has to slide over to reach your seats, part of maintaining the strength needed.   OK for a supercar-style experience but not in the DD use of a 911.  McLaren made a big deal about reducing the height of this sill in their 570 series, but it is still much more prominent than in a normal car that does not use CF.  


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    The Audi R8/Huracan also have a (limited) carbon tub, so it is possible to build it in higher numbers... Only problem is repair cost and insurance issues.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Compared to 911 production, R8/Huracan production is just a novelty item.

    Plus, the 911 shared the platform with Cayman/Boxster, so the production numbers are even higher.

    Porsche doesn't want to admit that but it's the truth. It's why the 2 series of cars can be made on the same line and it's so easy to convert the RSR into a mid engine car.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    we could dream for just a part of the 911 production to be produced with carbon tube.

    In the spirit to differentiate the usual models and 718 lines with the most exclusive 911s ( Turbo & S and GT cars) yes

    but will not happen. indecision

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Whoopsy:

    Porsche doesn't want to admit that but it's the truth.

    I think anyone who has driven both knows that it is essentially the same car. One just happens to cost twice as much as the other indecision


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