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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    NOT the most elegant solution! 

    THIS is the elegant solution:


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Perhaps Porsche hasn’t offered the Panamera coupe because it looks a lot like an inflated 928?


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    The Panamera Coupe doesn’t make sense without a convertible version... smiley

    More seriously, a Panamera coupe is a niche car, the regular 911 is GT enough already. I doubt Porsche would sell that many and they would cannibalize 911 sales.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Mithras:

    NOT the most elegant solution! 

    THIS is the elegant solution:

    +100


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    New photoshop.1530890141898Clip_10_.jpg


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    SciFrog:

    The Panamera Coupe doesn’t make sense without a convertible version... smiley

    More seriously, a Panamera coupe is a niche car, the regular 911 is GT enough already. I doubt Porsche would sell that many and they would cannibalize 911 sales.

    It would compete with the S-Class coupe, the 8 series and allow Audi to make an A8 coupe. They can all be run off of the Bentley underpinings (which is I think the panamera already). it would also let them make a new Espada as well!

    It doesn't really matter if it cannibalizes 911 sales if it also takes away competitors sales too. A VW Group sale is a VW group sale. That's what I don't understand about the 960 as well. Who cares if some people buy the R8, some the Lambo and some the 960? If there are 10 buyers and 5 get the Ferrari, 2 the lambo, 2 the McLaren and 1 the R8 isn't it better for VW if those 10 buyers buy 2 lambo, 1 R8 AND 1-2 960's??


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

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    One has returned to this photograph following the recent release of the interior of the new Audi e-tron with its rearview camera system instead of mirrors.  Wondering if this is a similar system undergoing testing.  Audi has its legal team, doing amongst other tasks, working with regulators around the world to allow rearview camera systems so it would make sense for others in the group to prepare for that change in standards.  The Audi SUV retains the cameras on stalks located near the front door A pillars; however, this probably due more to standards imposed on tailgates-recall the brake lamp issues and how various automakers, namely Ferrari with the California, relied on relatively silly solutions whilst others have multiple brake lamp assemblies to meet the brake lamp code-while on the 992, the cameras are mounted on a non-movable panel.  


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    Nothing elegant about Pane, sorry it's the truth....


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    Porsche could do a lightweight 2+2 version of a midengine R8 type coupe, or they could also just create a entirely new successor to the 911 that doesn't have to be a homage to a previous model.

    Yes they sell every 911, they also sold every 365 and Super 90, soon will be the Taycan taking money. In this new Porsche era of $100,000.00 4cyl Boxsters, maybe another new sportscar from them is too much to ask for.


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    JimFlat6:

    Porsche could do a lightweight 2+2 version of a midengine R8 type coupe, or they could also just create a entirely new successor to the 911 that doesn't have to be a homage to a previous model.

    Yes they sell every 911, they also sold every 365 and Super 90, soon will be the Taycan taking money. In this new Porsche era of $100,000.00 4cyl Boxsters, maybe another new sportscar from them is too much to ask for.

    "Never change a winning game, always change a losing one".

     


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    JimFlat6:

    Porsche could do a lightweight 2+2 version of a midengine R8 type coupe, or they could also just create a entirely new successor to the 911 that doesn't have to be a homage to a previous model.

    you are not making any sense whatsoever Smiley how is a bigger 2+2 midengine version any better than a 911, why start from scratch a new successor that can only be worse than the 50 years evolved original, that is already so successful with already icon status and worldwide recognition and heritage with a legion of fans crossing several generations that are not going to take lightly that change? and that only Porsche has the key to and can make and is unique in the market? 

    Did you work for Coke marketing n the 80's by any chance, you know, during the "new" coke fiasco? Smiley


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    reginos:
    JimFlat6:

    Porsche could do a lightweight 2+2 version of a midengine R8 type coupe, or they could also just create a entirely new successor to the 911 that doesn't have to be a homage to a previous model.

    Yes they sell every 911, they also sold every 365 and Super 90, soon will be the Taycan taking money. In this new Porsche era of $100,000.00 4cyl Boxsters, maybe another new sportscar from them is too much to ask for.

    "Never change a winning game, always change a losing one".

     

    If it ain't broke don't fix it Smiley

    I can understand why the 911 may not be for absolutely everyone, and not fill their priorities, no one sportscar can, though the 911 is the best selling in its class by a long shot, but another thing is not to be able to recognize its success and want it changed to their needs Smiley ... simply look elsewhere, Porsche is not going to change their icon and golden eggs chicken to fit your particular needs.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Agree with Carlos. Also, and folks can flame away, but I could get very excited about an all electric 911..


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    Wonderbar:

    Agree with Carlos. Also, and folks can flame away, but I could get very excited about an all electric 911..

    I can’t and here’s why.  Current battery technology would make the battery pack too thick to fit under the body, skateboard fashion, for a 911.  Other point is what is 911 without a raspy boxer six motor?


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    Carlos, you are so conservative. That's ok. No New Coke marketing experience here. Time moves on, technology moves on and Porsche can move on also. I am confident that they are capable of creating something new to take the place of the 901 series. Some forward vision is better than to just keep looking backwards.


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    CGX car nut:
    Wonderbar:

    Agree with Carlos. Also, and folks can flame away, but I could get very excited about an all electric 911..

    I can’t and here’s why.  Current battery technology would make the battery pack too thick to fit under the body, skateboard fashion, for a 911.  Other point is what is 911 without a raspy boxer six motor?

    My thoughts as well.


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    They ought to do both: preserve the past heritage & illustrious 991 legacy but make progress towards the future by bringing something new & exciting. A 960 type product could be fantastic


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    Do we know whether 992 GT3 will be turbo?  

     


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    I don't think Porsche even knows....

    The sound of the mules will eventually give it away.

     


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    Upsa:

    They ought to do both: preserve the past heritage & illustrious 991 legacy but make progress towards the future by bringing something new & exciting. A 960 type product could be fantastic

    There’s still numerous technical issues to building a sports car within Porsche’s own performance matrix.  The current skateboard battery layout is too thick for use in a lower height automobile and the weight distribution and inertial moments are significantly different from that of a rear to mid-engined ICE sports car.   Furthermore, the torque curve profile is completely different but enough controller tricks can be applied to overcome this issue.

       


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    Upsa:

    They ought to do both: preserve the past heritage & illustrious 991 legacy but make progress towards the future by bringing something new & exciting. A 960 type product could be fantastic

    Could not agree more! It's not a question of either /or. It's a question of strategically maneuvering themselves out of the corner that they painted themselves into.

    The 911 is already a niche car. They could  and should continue to cater to that niche. 

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    watt:

    Do we know whether 992 GT3 will be turbo?  

     

    the consensus at the moment is some kind of hybrid . It is the only way possible to meet new regulations .


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Is there even any mid-engines 2+2? Possible technically without making a 5 meters long car?


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    A couple experimented but not since long ago and never continued, last one I remember was the Ferrari Mondial decades ago.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gnil:
     

    the consensus at the moment is some kind of hybrid . It is the only way possible to meet new regulations .

     

     

    Where did you get this information?Smiley

    As far as I understood, the plan is either to keep NA but in very small numbers or go turbo but hybrid was never on the table. Please explain.


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    Enzo II:

    Is there even any mid-engines 2+2? Possible technically without making a 5 meters long car?

    The Lotus Evora and the BMW i8 are both mid-engined and 2+2, but the rear seating might be worse than in the Carrera models.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Thanks. Such a bad memory I had today. Yes I was thinking about some old Ferrari


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    reginos:
    Enzo II:

    Is there even any mid-engines 2+2? Possible technically without making a 5 meters long car?

    The Lotus Evora and the BMW i8 are both mid-engined and 2+2, but the rear seating might be worse than in the Carrera models.

    Whilst the BMW i8 is technically listed as a mid-engine vehicle the layout is similar to that of a transverse engined front wheel drive car but with that layout mounted in the rear of the car.   The Lotus Evora has a similar layout taken from the Toyota Camry.   Even the Ferrari Mondial in its original format used the transverse engine layout.  It later changed to a longitudinal layout.   Finally, several cars in the late 1960s and early 1970s featured mid-engine 2+2 layouts including the Ferrari 308 gt4, Lamborghini Urraco, and the Maserati Merak. 

     

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    the-missile:
    Gnil:
     

    the consensus at the moment is some kind of hybrid . It is the only way possible to meet new regulations .

     

     

    Where did you get this information?Smiley

    As far as I understood, the plan is either to keep NA but in very small numbers or go turbo but hybrid was never on the table. Please explain.

    That s what I got from this forum and this week end at Imola during the Porsche Cup when speaking with one of the main racing team . 

     Never has a very small NA production ever been mentioned. And it does not make much sense if you think about it 
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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gnil:
    the-missile:
    Gnil:
     

    the consensus at the moment is some kind of hybrid . It is the only way possible to meet new regulations .

     

     

    Where did you get this information?Smiley

    As far as I understood, the plan is either to keep NA but in very small numbers or go turbo but hybrid was never on the table. Please explain.

    That s what I got from this forum and this week end at Imola during the Porsche Cup when speaking with one of the main racing team . 

     Never has a very small NA production ever been mentioned. And it does not make much sense if you think about it 
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    Either approach will dramatically alter the driving characteristics of the next generation; however, a hybrid solution with a normally aspirated engine could retain the high rpm characteristics of the current motor.  Very few turbocharged motors have redline above 7,000 RPM, plus as we know, the sound is attenuated with turbocharges.  


     
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