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    991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    Today's issue of Sport Auto...

    Porsche 991 Turbo S Cabrio

    1.09,8min Hockenheim

    0-100km/h:  3.1s

    0-200Km/h:10.6s

    0-300km/h:31.9s

     

    McLaren 650S Spider

    1.08,7min Hockenheim

    0-100km/h: 3.1s

    0-200km/h: 8.7s

    0-300km/h:26.0s

     

    BTW, credible source told me that 650S Coupe is on Corsas almost 10s(!!!) faster on the Ring then 991 Turbo S(7.34min with Dunlops).

    No doubt 650S in the best sportscar in its class in term of drive dynamics and sheer speed.


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I've never thought of the 650S as being in the 911 class.

    Moreover, 650S owners wouldn't be happy to hear that their car is being compared with one costing some 25% less.

    Let us see some comparisons with the Ferraris and the Lamborghinis, please.


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:

    I've never thought of the 650S as being in the 911 class.

    Moreover, 650S owners wouldn't be happy to hear that their car is being compared with one costing some 25% less.

    Let us see some comparisons with the Ferraris and the Lamborghinis, please.

    I agree, although I just discovered that the 650S costs roughly the same as a 991 TTS. At least here in Switzerland. (650S = CHF 279'900, 991TTS = CHF 272'700).

    Still, both are completely different kind of cars and I can't see anyone cross-shopping these two.


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I would never replace my TTS Cab with a 650s due to my kids and the weather where I live. I also use it on a daily basis which I think it's better suited for. As an Exotic addition maybe. 

    But you can't argue with these stats...


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    2013 BMW 750 xDrive & 2012 x5 & 2014 991 TTS Cab. Range Rover V8 on order June14 - GT3 or Huracan to add next......decisions decisions decisions.....


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    Agreed - two different cars, similar price in some places.  IMHO - for the same prices (or +$50K) the MAC is a no-brainer.  That from a die hard 911 freak like me.  Even with the Turbo 997 I still have a second car for really bad weather, more passengers etc. so my 911 is doing no more complicated task than the MAC would perform - so the MAC is hands down the winner - look not just at the numbers but long term, resale, exotic nature without being garish like the Lambo.  It is an awesome package.  Ron D did well and produced another gem of a car.  I hope his extra duty in F1 now does not detract from the quality and performance of the road cars.

    I agree, you do not cross shop these cars - you simply decide to come to your senses and take a walk on the wild side for a change.  Porsche is old hat and needs a few hard lesson.

    PS - given the lousy performance of the new 991 Turbo from 200-300 (or 100-200 for that matter) and my own first hand knowledge of my order Turbo, which excells in those speed ranges, I can't help but wonder if the Mezger is a little stronger by comparison (ahem, under-rated).


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I'm sure Porsche would argue that the GT2RS (if they produce one which I hope they do) should be compared to the 650S. Which I think is probably correct and should be a very interesting test. But still makes me a bit upset that they are holding the TTS back.


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    2013 BMW 750 xDrive & 2012 x5 & 2014 991 TTS Cab. Range Rover V8 on order June14 - GT3 or Huracan to add next......decisions decisions decisions.....


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    SuzyF:
    reginos:

    I've never thought of the 650S as being in the 911 class.

    Moreover, 650S owners wouldn't be happy to hear that their car is being compared with one costing some 25% less.

    Let us see some comparisons with the Ferraris and the Lamborghinis, please.

    I agree, although I just discovered that the 650S costs roughly the same as a 991 TTS. At least here in Switzerland. (650S = CHF 279'900, 991TTS = CHF 272'700).

    Still, both are completely different kind of cars and I can't see anyone cross-shopping these two.


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     

    Why is the Porsche so expensive in CH? More equipment as standard? Some tax?


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    m4ever:

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.

    IMO magazines should first compare it to a Ferrari 458. Same layout, similar money, same type of usage. 


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:
    m4ever:

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.

    IMO magazines should first compare it to a Ferrari 458. Same layout, similar money, same type of usage. 

     

    Would Ferrari allowed their cars to be thoroughly embarrassed?

     


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    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:
    SuzyF:
    reginos:

    I've never thought of the 650S as being in the 911 class.

    Moreover, 650S owners wouldn't be happy to hear that their car is being compared with one costing some 25% less.

    Let us see some comparisons with the Ferraris and the Lamborghinis, please.

    I agree, although I just discovered that the 650S costs roughly the same as a 991 TTS. At least here in Switzerland. (650S = CHF 279'900, 991TTS = CHF 272'700).

    Still, both are completely different kind of cars and I can't see anyone cross-shopping these two.


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     

    Why is the Porsche so expensive in CH? More equipment as standard? Some tax?

     

    Exactly. 

    Here the 650S is almost 40% more expensive than the Turbo S.


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    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I really have no idea why Porsches are so expensive here, compared to other brands. yes A 458 Italia for example is CHF 30k cheaper than the 991 TTS. Probably just Porsche's strange pricing strategy.

    I'm not a fan of McLaren. But that's probably just me... i never liked anything about the whole brand (i even can't stand Ron Dennis' face angry). I'd probably fancy a Dacia Sandero anytime over any McLaren indecision    


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:
    m4ever:

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.

    IMO magazines should first compare it to a Ferrari 458. Same layout, similar money, same type of usage. 

    No reason to. The 12C was already better than the 458, and the 650S is no doubt better than the 12C. Heck, even the 991 TTS is better than the 458.

    It makes sense to compare similar types of cars, but in reality, most 991 TTS never have anyone in the back seats, it's a high-end car with an exotic price tag, and the performance is up there with the best of them.

    Beyond the looks, I'd say a 991 TTS sees similar usage to a 458 and 12C.


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    Not my TTS. Had my kids in it 3 times this week and I use it daily. I would be scared to use anything more Exotic as much due to crappy roads on Long Island. The roads in NJ or Westchester NY are near perfect in comparison.


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    2013 BMW 750 xDrive & 2012 x5 & 2014 991 TTS Cab. Range Rover V8 on order June14 - GT3 or Huracan to add next......decisions decisions decisions.....


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:

    Why is the Porsche so expensive in CH? More equipment as standard? Some tax?

    Swiss love understatement. Even a R8 or an Aston Martin is too flashy. So they buy a 911 no matter what the price tag. On the other hand to attract buyers other brands have to price aggressively to compete. (My theory and I'm not Swiss (yet)).


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos:
    m4ever:

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.

    IMO magazines should first compare it to a Ferrari 458. Same layout, similar money, same type of usage. 

    Porsche claimed that 991 Turbo S is the benchmark.

    BTW, normal 458 is definitely marginally slower then 991 Turbo S. Even 458 Speciale and Huracan can not stand against 650S, be it in straight line or on the track.

    Fact is 650S is a benchmark sportscar. It is amazingly fast, both in straight line and on the track.

     

    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    993Targa:
    reginos:

    Why is the Porsche so expensive in CH? More equipment as standard? Some tax?

    Swiss love understatement. Even a R8 or an Aston Martin is too flashy. So they buy a 911 no matter what the price tag. On the other hand to attract buyers other brands have to price aggressively to compete. (My theory and I'm not Swiss (yet)).

    Good theory... i think that's spot-on. Although I'm also not Swiss (yet) Smiley


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    m4ever:

    I also agree that those are two different cars... but then there is nothing else to compare this McLaren to in the current Porsche lineup.  Incredible performance from both.

    IMO magazines should first compare it to a Ferrari 458. Same layout, similar money, same type of usage. 

    Porsche claimed that 991 Turbo S is the benchmark.

    BTW, normal 458 is definitely marginally slower then 991 Turbo S. Even 458 Speciale and Huracan can not stand against 650S, be it in straight line or on the track.

    Fact is 650S is a benchmark sportscar. It is amazingly fast, both in straight line and on the track.

     

    The Turbo S is the benchmark in a class of its own, that no true rivals exist IMO. All year, all weather, all road, city driving, highway driving, B road driving, bad road driving, more accommodation and luggage space, easy to see out of, easier to park, blends with the traffic everywhere, more socially acceptable.......and very fast.

    The 650S is a supersportscar (by defintion exceedingly fast)  mid-engined, extravagant looks, rear wheel drive and very expensive. Its natural rivals are the 458 and a RWD version of the Gallardo or Huracan, when the latter exists and perhaps a future version of the new R8 V10 Plus.

    in theory you could compare anything with everything, for example a Carrera or better a Cayman with a Renaultsport hatch or a hot Ford Focus take times and draw conclusions. But this doesn't mean they are true rivals in the same class.

    Furthermore, it is harder for magazines to get Ferraris in comparison tests, whilst Porsches are readily available to compare to anything from McLaren to BMW, Jaguar and even to Hot Minis!!

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    "Form follows function"


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    reginos

    The Turbo S is the benchmark in a class of its own, that no true rivals exist IMO. All year, all weather, all road, city driving, highway driving, B road driving, bad road driving, more accommodation and luggage space, easy to see out of, easier to park, blends with the traffic everywhere, more socially acceptable.......and very fast.

     

    I agree 100%.

    The 650S is a very interesting product. I drove a 12C and liked it very much too.

    However, the Turbo's "do it all" appeal is quite unique.


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    SuzyF:

    I'm not a fan of McLaren. .... can't stand Ron Dennis' face angry


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     

    that's a new one...is it a chick thing ? 

    how many here have ever factored in the buying decision of any product based also on the appearance of  that firm's execs running the firm ?  Like saying I won't buy a  Porsche until Matthias  Mueller fixes his bangs hiding his obvious receding hairline !


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    SuzyF:
    993Targa:
    reginos:

    Why is the Porsche so expensive in CH? More equipment as standard? Some tax?

    Swiss love understatement. Even a R8 or an Aston Martin is too flashy. So they buy a 911 no matter what the price tag. On the other hand to attract buyers other brands have to price aggressively to compete. (My theory and I'm not Swiss (yet)).

    Good theory... i think that's spot-on. Although I'm also not Swiss (yet) Smiley

    Porsche has not  adapted the strong Swiss currency to their pricing. McLaren obviously has. 

    Not a good point for Porsche CH. 

     

    And I am Swiss , always been 

     


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    MKW:
    SuzyF:

    I'm not a fan of McLaren. .... can't stand Ron Dennis' face angry


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     

    that's a new one...is it a chick thing ? 

    how many here have ever factored in the buying decision of any product based also on the appearance of  that firm's execs running the firm ?  Like saying I won't buy a  Porsche until Matthias  Mueller fixes his bangs hiding his obvious receding hairline !

    Smiley Sorry I can't help it. No idea if it is a female thing. FWIW... It wouldn't effect my buying decision if wanted a McLaren. i just never liked their cars . Matter of taste I guess. Smiley (doesn't take away anything of the cars themselves. It's just my own opinion)


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    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    The 12 C did 7:28 at the 'Ring so 650S is only slightly faster I guess..


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    Porsche needs to update 991 TTS as soon as possible. The ground is not as stable as it was before. 

    650S is truly nice car


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    artur777:

    Porsche needs to update 991 TTS as soon as possible. The ground is not as stable as it was before. 

    650S is truly nice car

    Nah, they are not necessarily in competition, but this has already been discussed above. The upcoming GT2 is and I am sure it will give the 650S a run for it's money Smiley

    Having said that, the 650S is a beautiful car. Especially as spyder.


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE
    2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    I'll take a free boost upgrade - Please Porsche pretty please.....McLaren did it!!!


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    2013 BMW 750 xDrive & 2012 x5 & 2014 991 TTS Cab. Range Rover V8 on order June14 - GT3 or Huracan to add next......decisions decisions decisions.....


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    KresoF1:

    Today's issue of Sport Auto...

    Porsche 991 Turbo S Cabrio

    1.09,8min Hockenheim

    0-100km/h:  3.1s

    0-200Km/h:10.6s

    0-300km/h:31.9s

     

    McLaren 650S Spider

    1.08,7min Hockenheim

    0-100km/h: 3.1s

    0-200km/h: 8.7s

    0-300km/h:26.0s

     

    BTW, credible source told me that 650S Coupe is on Corsas almost 10s(!!!) faster on the Ring then 991 Turbo S(7.34min with Dunlops).

    No doubt 650S in the best sportscar in its class in term of drive dynamics and sheer speed.

    The 650s still did not beat the GT2RS... 


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    Tested 650S is a Spider version.

    650S Coupe is even faster.

    Btw, 991 GT2 RS will never happen...

    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    KresoF1:
    Tested 650S is a Spider version.

    650S Coupe is even faster.

    Btw, 991 GT2 RS will never happen...

    Especially not as a cabrio Smiley So not comparable to the tested 650S.


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE
    2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White


    Re: 991 Turbo S vs McLaren 650S Spider Sport Auto test results

    KresoF1:
    Tested 650S is a Spider version.

    650S Coupe is even faster.

    Btw, 991 GT2 RS will never happen...

    Why you are not considering the McLaren? You seem too impressed?


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    "Form follows function"


     
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