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    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    The UK is similar in many ways - there is no way I would be able to drive a Ferrari - if I left it at the station it'd be scratched to bits and covered in phlegm when I returned to it.


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    991 (what a car!) XC90 - Black/Black 2 kids, 1 dog


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    RC:
    nberry:

    Christian, leasing is not for everyone. Look at this way. You are burning I guess about $5000 a month or $60,000 a year for your various mode of transportation.  In one year for that money you could OWN a Cayenne. In two years ($120,000) you could OWN a Turbo. In three years buy a good used super car. And this does not include money saved for you children education.Smiley

    Leasing to driving the latest car model can get very expensive.Smiley

    You are wrong (in my case). A car looses a substantial value over the first three years of ownership. I like to drive the latest models most of the time, so keeping a car longer than three or four years is out of the question for me.

    Let me do some math: My Cayenne GTS has a new car value of 123k EUR, rebate was 11%, so this makes aprox. 110k EUR. My down payment for the lease was 40k EUR and I pay 350 EUR (incl. VAT) per month for three years.

    52600 EUR for a three year lease period, this makes 17533 EUR per year or 1461 EUR per month. So the car would, theoretically, have a remaining value of 57400 EUR after the three years lease. If I would have bought the car, would I get 57400 EUR for it after three years of ownership? I highly doubt it, especially since in three years, the facelift is out, the Macan will be available too and the next generation of the Cayenne will just be around the corner. Maybe 45-50k EUR if I am lucky and the fuel prices didn't go through the roof. Yes, I would need to sell it after three years to be able to finance my next car.

    For me, this makes a lot of sense. For other people, who keep their cars longer than three or four years, it may not. 

    I also like the fact that after three years, I just leave the car at the dealer and I'm done with it. No worries, nothing since the residual value is not my concern.

    I drive my cars with a lot of pleasure and I love them but I'm not married to them. Smiley The next model is almost always better, faster, etc., you get my point.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

    You would like this one then, Christian.  http://www.bmw.co.uk/en/topics/owners/offers/m-series/m5-saloon/retailoffers.html

    I know,  its not 4 wheel drive Smiley. I think it's a cracking deal, small deposit and an okay monthly payment. BMW are trying there best to shift units, that's for sure..


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    That's an amazing finance deal - BMW's M5 is obviously selling about as well as Porsche's 991.....Smiley

    Mind, a business colleague of mine has one, and it's spent nearly as much time broken with BMW as it has on the road....Smiley


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    Incredible deal angel Resale value?


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    Woolfe:

     Resale value?

    Absolutely horrendous. Much like any car in that bracket totally unjustifiable unless a company is footing the bill. Smiley Buy used if you are brave! At least a used 991 should have bullet proof reliability.


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    nberry:

    Christian, do I detect an element of frustration in your post?Smiley Facts are what they are.

    FWIW, the CRV has been a glorious purchase. Wrote a check for $24,000 three years ago and all I have done is change oil ($50) a few times and purchased a new set of tires $400. The car has been bullet proof and it rides beautifully. AND its resale value is strong. Can't ask for much more.Smiley

    Now ask me about my Cayenne purchase several years ago.Smiley

    Nick, I didnt know you were a closet ScotsmanSmiley

    Consider... That you will never get the time back that you have spent in a Honda, ever!  Its all akin to having a ugly wife that costs less or a pretty wife...I think you know the answer on that. Smiley

     


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    If you´re using it as a DD 991 is the best option available, but as a second car I wouldn´t go for the 991. I´ve a 997.2 S and really don´t see a reason to change for the 991, not because it´s not worth it, the 991 looks better and more modern than 997, it´s faster , nicer interior, safer and easy to drive but...it simply doesn´t have the "wow" factor I want on my next toy, it doesn´t make my heart beat, it doesn´t put a smile on my face each time I see one, it´s just another updated 911.

    I belive if I had a 997.1 the reasons would be the same. Dont get me wrong, I love my 997 and it´s a better car now than when I bought it new back in 2009. The PSE+SW by pass , new steering wheel with padles and sport supension made it a much better toy to play with.

    J.Seven


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    nberry:

    Christian, do I detect an element of frustration in your post?Smiley Facts are what they are.

    FWIW, the CRV has been a glorious purchase. Wrote a check for $24,000 three years ago and all I have done is change oil ($50) a few times and purchased a new set of tires $400. The car has been bullet proof and it rides beautifully. AND its resale value is strong. Can't ask for much more.Smiley

    Now ask me about my Cayenne purchase several years ago.Smiley

    My little Clockwork Rat does 80 miles a day, this time of year 6 days a week. Nothing has gone wrong in 2 1/2 years, nothing rattles, leaks or sqeaks. That car cost less to buy new than I lost on my new Cayman in 6 months of ownership. I agree with you Nick, it's wrong to knock these cars they are bought as a tool not for pleasure.


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    James, I thought you were still in mourning after the devastating Presidential election loss. Coming out of hibernation?indecision


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    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    dreamcar:
    nberry:

    Christian, do I detect an element of frustration in your post?Smiley Facts are what they are.

    FWIW, the CRV has been a glorious purchase. Wrote a check for $24,000 three years ago and all I have done is change oil ($50) a few times and purchased a new set of tires $400. The car has been bullet proof and it rides beautifully. AND its resale value is strong. Can't ask for much more.Smiley

    Now ask me about my Cayenne purchase several years ago.Smiley

    My little Clockwork Rat does 80 miles a day, this time of year 6 days a week. Nothing has gone wrong in 2 1/2 years, nothing rattles, leaks or sqeaks. That car cost less to buy new than I lost on my new Cayman in 6 months of ownership. I agree with you Nick, it's wrong to knock these cars they are bought as a tool not for pleasure.

    I agree with you and the Nickernator.

    I too have tool which is well used..


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    throt:

    I too have tool which is well used..

    Are you bragging here throt? Smiley Smiley


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


    Re: To 997.1 owners - keep or buy a 991?

    dreamcar:
    throt:

    I too have tool which is well used..

    Are you bragging here throt? Smiley Smiley

    Smiley  -  Don't let Keith's wife see this thread...Smiley

     


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