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    Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    I just spent two days at Paul Ricard with our local Porsche Club .  8  x  30min sessions each day . Weather was good expect for a wet start on the first day , and we were not too many cars which made it confortable . On the second day, Porsche Cup France came to train on some sessions . 

    As usual, there was a whole variety of cars  , and not only Porsche .

    My RS has now 7'200 km since I got the car early August . Maybe I should drive less Smiley

    Anyway, it is here to enjoy and I love it Smiley

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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg  , faster then the Porsche Cup R 

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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car smiley

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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    And first time I saw this tire combo . Slicks on 19 inch rims on the GT3 RS . Impossible to follow this guy ! Car was also all prepared at  MANTHEY 

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    And his ' brother ' on the GT2 RS . On slicks and also full preparation 

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    A few GT2 RS  were there as well 

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    The women in red is a famous extreme free rider and  wing suit flyer who has jumped from the Matthehorn and many other extreme places 

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

    One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4 

    The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way surprise

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Thanks for posting - great shots of cars and other beasts SmileySmiley. bravo on the 7,200km Smiley.


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    So do you have extra tires to swap them?


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Thanks for sharing the photos, Eric. It's nice to know that the GT3's are capable of running slicks on track.


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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Fantastic photos (in every respect). smiley

    Thanks for sharing. kiss


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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Great pics Eric thanks for sharing ! Glad to see you had a good time. 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil:

    Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

    One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4 

    The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way surprise

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     

    Fantastic pics - thanksSmileySmiley

    My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

    I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

    Blueflame


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Great pics kiss must have been fun.. Le Castellet is a great track IMO.

    Damn, maybe I should have come after all smiley


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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    SciFrog:

    So do you have extra tires to swap them?

    No, I don't for my car . The owner of that GT4 also came without extra tire so he called around . He finally found a set at Porsche Toulon after also asking Porsche Marseille and some independent tire shop .

    Some people come with extra rims mounted with new tire .  Others just pre order a set of new tire that are kept at the event for them . And then some guys come with a truck filled with all the necessary stuff , one had probably 4 different set of tire in reserve .


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    blueflame:
    Gnil:

    Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

    One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4 

    The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way surprise

    IMG_5746.jpg


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     

    Fantastic pics - thanksSmileySmiley

    My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

    I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

    Blueflame

     

    We concluded they need to be very inflated and do not handle anything bellow 2.2 at least . 

    Then, still , it is not normal they delaminate like this . I remember the photo of your tire . You should of seem the tire of the preceding dey, even worse then this one . The above one was used 30 minutes  . That's it . And is destroyed . NOT NORMAL .  Never had that with the PSS 

    Let me know what Michelin tells you .


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Great photos!

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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil:

    There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg  , faster then the Porsche Cup R 

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    Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

    Is that a Norma?


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil:

    This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car smiley

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    Car?

    Which car?! 

     

     


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil:
    blueflame:
    Gnil:

    Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

    One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4 

    The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way surprise

    IMG_5746.jpg

    Fantastic pics - thanksSmileySmiley

    My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

    I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

    Blueflame

    We concluded they need to be very inflated and do not handle anything bellow 2.2 at least . 

    Then, still , it is not normal they delaminate like this . I remember the photo of your tire . You should of seem the tire of the preceding dey, even worse then this one . The above one was used 30 minutes  . That's it . And is destroyed . NOT NORMAL .  Never had that with the PSS 

    Let me know what Michelin tells you .


    As is the case with Blueflame´s tires, it amazes me that the delimitation only occurs on the outer shoulder of the tire. Hence, tire pressure and to a higher degree a lack of camber at the front axle seems to be the reason. At least that's how it looks to me.

    Have these cars had a proper alignment prior to track driving? At least on the Carrera T I assume that the suspension geometry is rather aimed towards versatility than track usage. 

    That doesn't mean that these specific tires are more prone to delimitation but more camber would definitely spread the load more evenly onto the entire tread surface.

     

     


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Ferdie:
    Gnil:

    There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg  , faster then the Porsche Cup R 

    IMG_5708.jpg


    Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

    Is that a Norma?

    Yes, it's the M20FC.


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    2018 White 911 GT3


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Ferdie:
    Gnil:

    There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg  , faster then the Porsche Cup R 

    IMG_5708.jpg


    Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

    Is that a Norma?

    Yes a Norma . Very interesting package. The owner of this one used to drive a GT3 RS . He's not going back Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Ferdie:
    Gnil:

    This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car smiley

     


    Car?

    Which car?! 

     

     

    Smiley Looked a bit out of place but pretty entertaining . Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Ferdie:
    . Hence, tire pressure and to a higher degree a lack of camber at the front axle seems to be the reason. At least that's how it looks to me.

    That's also what we concluded . 

     

    Have these cars had a proper alignment prior to track driving? At least on the Carrera T I assume that the suspension geometry is rather aimed towards versatility than track usage. 

    That doesn't mean that these specific tires are more prone to delimitation but more camber would definitely spread the load more evenly onto the entire tread surface.

     

     

    The car was on standard geometry ....... but still . Lots of people drive their cars with standard geometry on the track and they don't get the tire to delaminate .  I drove many many tracks with my 997 Carrera S with non N rated PSS and standard alignment and never , ever, did the tire end up loosing bits of it .

    On Michelin ' s defense , the tire were probably under inflated as it was the first session of the day  and the guys sticked to Cup pressure recommendations . But still ...... should ne end up like this .


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil:

    On Michelin ' s defense , the tire were probably under inflated as it was the first session of the day  and the guys sticked to Cup pressure recommendations . But still ...... should ne end up like this .

    cup pressure with slicks on road legal tyres Smiley I am missing something here.

    I got some delamination as well on my first set of cup 2. I put that on the fact that the car was on stock setup which eats the external as crazy and on hot weather which doesn't help.

    I have some alignement done and weather is cooling down, let's see how the wear will be now.

     


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    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    the-missile:
    cup pressure with slicks on road legal tyres Smiley I am missing something here.

    I got some delamination as well on my first set of cup 2. I put that on the fact that the car was on stock setup which eats the external as crazy and on hot weather which doesn't help.

    I have some alignement done and weather is cooling down, let's see how the wear will be now.

     

    No ... that would be nuts Smiley 

    Cup... as in Cup 2  =  2 front , 2.2 back 

    Even with front camber at - 3 , I still get too much wear on the outside  left when on a track like Paul Ricard . 

    But I never had delamination with cups , even when I had my set up stock 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Gnil

     

    No ... that would be nuts Smiley 

    Cup... as in Cup 2  =  2 front , 2.2 back 

    Even with front camber at - 3 , I still get too much wear on the outside  left when on a track like Paul Ricard . 

    But I never had delamination with cups , even when I had my set up stock 

    I like to run on 2.0-2.1 front and 2.2-2.3 rear. 

    Michelin engineers were saying 2.2 square but don’t go below 2.2. 

    I will try to play with height as well. Camber, toe and sway bars configured already and still leaving on the table. 

    I want the nose to be more loaded. 


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    the-missile:
    I like to run on 2.0-2.1 front and 2.2-2.3 rear. 

    Michelin engineers were saying 2.2 square but don’t go below 2.2. 

    I will try to play with height as well. Camber, toe and sway bars configured already and still leaving on the table. 

    I want the nose to be more loaded. 

    With Michelin I run also 2.0 front , max 2.1 and around 2.2 , max 2.3 at the back .

    With the Dunlop I run slightly more .  2.1  max 2.2 front and 2.3, max 2.4 at the back . They work better this way .

    My setting has the back higher then the front . This is a must on a 911 .

    Camber at the front -3 and at the back -2.7 

    Sway bars standard but when I had the setting done, they told me I can play with they and try different settings without changing camber nor toe . I have not done it yet .

    My noise feel much more planted then the stock setting . On some corners I could also use more .... but then maybe the back would start the loosen too much ....


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    Do you know how many millimeter between front and rear?

    did you lift the rear or lower the front?

    @whoopsy, what is your input on this?


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    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

    the-missile:

    Do you know how many millimeter between front and rear?

    did you lift the rear or lower the front?

    @whoopsy, what is your input on this?

    No, sorry, don't know anymore .

    My setting was done at Manthey Racing . With their knowledge and experience I trust that they did what is best . Many seem to just try some random settings , which is not necessarily bad if you have the time and willingness to go back and try again until you find what is the best for you . 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


     
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