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    Re: New M diesel models

    Conny997:
    MKSGR:

    Kreso, also based on my own experience in recent years BMW and BMW motor cars have a shiny facade - but if you look behind the facade there is a lot reason for complaint and frustration. I somehow lost my interest in the BMW brand - the quality (including engineering quality, quality of sales/service infrastructure etc) is just not where you would like to see it Smiley

     

    How do you know the M5 brakes did not correspond to the series? I just read the article in the SportAuto and could’nt find any evidence. SportAuto said, it was just POSSIBLE that other pads could have been used, but this does’nt really proven.
    Besides, I'm now going with a X5M for almost 2 1/2 years. The quality is excellent. Much better than many other cars that I owned, including Porsche. The service at my BMW dealership is distinguished, courteous and competent.
    I think everyone makes his own experiences, so one should’nt generalize.

    Btw: BMW, especially the M-Dept. builds very modern car, with the right mix of gadgets, performance and comfort. The soft close door is available there for more than 10 years. Smiley
    Not that you need it, but whoever it wants, gets it at least. This isn’t a question of targeted old people but of the freedom to do what you want do to.Smiley

    Can you recall a single test where SportAuto mentioned something similar about the test car? They clearly would not mention their doubts if they were not certain that the test car came in non-standard configuration. They just put it in mild worlds not to annoy a good advertising customer (BMW) too much, I guess.

    Of course, many people seem to enjoy the BMW products. You just need to look at the sales figures of BMW to notice that. I am just saying that for my personal taste their cars are not engineered/made well enough (ranging from PDK to build quality (i.e. floor mat fixture in the M3, response of keyless go) to the nav/hifi electronics to the speed control etc.). But again, many BMWs are still being sold. So everybody can enjoy what he wants Smiley


    Re: New M diesel models

    MKSGR:
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    Can you recall a single test where SportAuto mentioned something similar about the test car? They clearly would not mention their doubts if they were not certain that the test car came in non-standard configuration. They just put it in mild worlds not to annoy a good advertising customer (BMW) too much, I guess.

     

    +1

    As far as I know there is a power tolerance of 5% in Germany. If your car has more power you can get at least trouble with your insurance (Kasko) in case of a accident.

    Breaks: „Die Bremse ist trotz kreischender, sicher nicht serienmäßiger Beläge kein Bringer“. As MKSGR said I never read something similar in Sport Auto. 

    Sorry I think a test in a car magazine if the car is equiped with special (Tuning) parts is useless.

    And I have no problems with BMW in general, I often use a X6 Diesel, good car.


    Re: New M diesel models

    Itsme:
    MKSGR:
    ......

    Can you recall a single test where SportAuto mentioned something similar about the test car? They clearly would not mention their doubts if they were not certain that the test car came in non-standard configuration. They just put it in mild worlds not to annoy a good advertising customer (BMW) too much, I guess.

     

    +1

    As far as I know there is a power tolerance of 5% in Germany. If your car has more power you can get at least trouble with your insurance (Kasko) in case of a accident.

    Breaks: „Die Bremse ist trotz kreischender, sicher nicht serienmäßiger Beläge kein Bringer“. As MKSGR said I never read something similar in Sport Auto. 

    Sorry I think a test in a car magazine if the car is equiped with special (Tuning) parts is useless.

    And I have no problems with BMW in general, I often use a X6 Diesel, good car.

    Funny enough the M5 was far slower than the Panamera - despite all tuning measures...


    Re: New M diesel models

    620 hp in the M5? This is impossible without major adjustments in hardware and software. This car wasn't stock. I know for a fact that BMW can barely get the stated 560 hp out of the M5 engine without reliability issues, one reason why the M5 has 560 hp "only" and not the 580 hp which apparently were planned at first.

    I won't comment on AMG...they have a history (SL55AMG) with "powerful" cars... 

    My local dealer sold out the latest Sport Auto, could someone please post the performance numbers of all cars? Thank you. Btw: I heard that the Panamera Turbo S used in this review is a model with the improved "titan" turbo chargers, this is why I'm very interested in the results.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (June 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: New M diesel models

    Here we go

    f10m5-panameraturbo.jpg


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    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

    Re: New M diesel models

    Forgot to mention:
    The results and the dyno data as measured by SA:

    1st place: BMW M5 - 620 hp on the dyno (claimed: 560)
    2nd place: Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 555 hp on the dyno (claimed: 550)
    3rd place: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG PP - 610 hp on the dyno (claimed: 557)

    Interesting: HvS wrote in the editorial (!!) that a dyno recognition software could be installed in the Porsche.
    That would explain something...indecision

     

     


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    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

    Re: New M diesel models

    It is really a shame that car manufacturers have to use such tricks... enlightened

    I'm pretty curious if my Panamera Turbo S will be equipped with Michelin Pilot Supersport N0 too. Kind of have the feeling that it won't. 

    Maybe I should talk to "somebody"... indecision


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (June 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


     
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