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    Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

    I love this sensation! Last night, I was out for a late night high speed run on a nearby A road. I was doing about 70mph and then suddenly I accelerated to about 110mph. (I'm still running in!) The moment I pressed the accelerator pedal, I could actually feel the car squat down on the rear wheels and the front went ever so slightly light...like a Tonka toy car doing a wheelie...the way the car flew forwards was breathtaking!

    I love the rear wheel drive feeling. Light yet responsive steering with tons of feedback - especially with -20mm sports suspension. You feel everything! I must say - RC was right in his first 997S report - you should not drive a -20mm car with one hand. It is so wonderfully sensitive, at high speed, you need both hands on the steering!

    At first I felt a tiny nervousness at the front being airborne but I loved it! It still feels so sure and so planted.

    I love the way 110mph in this car feels like 110mph. It isn't like a Bentley Continental GT or a Merc S Class where 150mph feels like 70mph. The whole point is to feel the sheer thrill of speed sooner so that you don't have to be doing 170mph before you get a thrill.

    I love this car!!!

    Re: Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

    Guess you're gonna have to clean it again now!

    Re: Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

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    easy_rider911 said:
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    I love the way 110mph in this car feels like 110mph. It isn't like a Bentley Continental GT or a Merc S Class where 150mph feels like 70mph. The whole point is to feel the sheer thrill of speed sooner so that you don't have to be doing 170mph before you get a thrill.





    That's funny! I think the same if I compare my 993 to my 997S PASM
    The thrill level in the 993 is much higher at the same speed than in the 997S.
    I would like to add an even older, lighter and louder 911 to my tiny collection to increase that experience

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    ewi said:I think the same if I compare my 993 to my 997S PASM
    The thrill level in the 993 is much higher at the same speed than in the 997S.
    I would like to add an even older, lighter and louder 911 to my tiny collection to increase that experience


    I highly recommend doing that!

    Re: Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

    A difference with the C4S - 20mm, is that you do not get that light feeling in the front, for better or worse depending on one's preference...

    Re: Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

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    easy_rider911 said:
    I was doing about 70mph and then suddenly I accelerated to about 110mph. (I'm still running in!) The moment I pressed the accelerator pedal, I could actually feel the car squat down on the rear wheels and the front went ever so slightly light...like a Tonka toy car doing a wheelie...the way the car flew forwards was breathtaking!




    I like cruising in 6th gear, then quickly push the clutch in, blip the throttle, drop to 4th and let rip. With the PSE engaged it is especially impressive

    About the light front end though... I actually have the opposite feelings. When I test drove the 997TT the one thing I liked most was that the front end DOESN'T go as light.

    In the Carrera S accelerating in a straight line is fine. However, if I do it hard out of a bend say at 30mph plus then I do prefer the feel of the 4wd as it feels like you have much more front end grip and control. Also, the Carrera 4 doesn't 'hunker down' to the road as much as the Turbo does though so it's definitely a specific trait to the Turbo.

    Each to their own though.

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    At 70mph I would say 3rd gear is the one to be in for a thrill although you did not state at which speed you were cruising in while in 6th.

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    Leawood911 said:
    At 70mph I would say 3rd gear is the one to be in for a thrill although you did not state at which speed you were cruising in while in 6th.




    Cruising in 6th at 70-90mph usually.

    From 70mph though 3rd gear wont take you over 100mph, so 4th seems ideal to me given you won't have to almost immediately change from 3rd>4th. 4th has plenty of torque available at 70mph too

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    With AWD, it almost doesn't seem to matter whether the engine is in the front, middle or rear. There is a minimum of 60% power in the rear and up to 40% power in the front so you will always feel safe and secure.

    The way I see it, Porsche developed AWD to make the 911 safe in the days before PSM was well developed. Now that PSM is so very capable in the 997, it seems to be unnecessary to have the predictable safety of the AWD on top of what the amazing PSM can do nowadays.

    When the front goes slightly light, for me, part of the fun is in NOT feeling 100% in control. It adds to the thrill factor. It makes the drive more of an event because there is a tiny element of danger. It makes the car more individual i.e. not something you find in many other cars that seek to give you predictable security.

    I love the way a RWD 911 feels so light, agile and nimble, able to change direction so easily, especially with a -20mm sports suspension. The slightest steering wheel adjustment has an influence.

    The trick, to my mind, is to put one's faith in the car (and in PSM!). I may not FEEL 100% in control but I KNOW the car will not harm me.

    That's an interesting stance. You see, it gives the car more of a role to play i.e. if I only have 97% control (for example), it is partly (3%) contributing to the direction I am taking so it makes me feel like it is involved in the whole act of driving (and not just in the process of being driven) i.e. it is ALIVE too i.e. by influencing the line I take it is reminding me that it is there working with me...that's character.

    Hope this makes sense. It does to me!

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    You want some excitement, floor an RX400H ... you'd think that Toyota would have figured out torque steer, especially with the electic motor driving the rear wheels, but this baby is all over the road if you're not careful.

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    Hi easy-rider

    I love your enthusiasizm (sorry for my spelling errors )
    I have been reading your posts since you order the car; till you collected it from factory (especially your threads about -20mm chassie)

    I love your point of view and the attitude.
    Keep posting and I wish you many happy miles with your beloved 911.

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    Hi pride355, thanks so much for your kind words.

    How about your -20mm? Have you decided to give it more time to get used to it or are you really going to go for PASM? Did you go for a drive in a PASM 997S to see if there is much difference in ride quality?

    Hope you find a good solution.

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    I think the sensation is due to no PASM in the car.

    I've not driven a -20mm car as they are not available in the US. However, I owned a 997S with PASM, and drove PASM and non PASM 997 chassis cars prior to purchasing mine, and have owned a 996 GT3 (which of course does not have PASM). What I noticed was that PASM was effective and reducing the rear-engined heaviness of 911, somewhat masking the effects of the heavy anchor behind the rear axle.

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    easy_rider911 said:
    Hi pride355, thanks so much for your kind words.

    How about your -20mm? Have you decided to give it more time to get used to it or are you really going to go for PASM? Did you go for a drive in a PASM 997S to see if there is much difference in ride quality?

    Hope you find a good solution.



    I'm not happy with the ride quality.
    On rough surfaces, the car is wandering around corners.
    Also at high speed; excess of 250 km/h, on less than perfect roads, the car feels unsafe and keep shaking.

    On the other hand, LSD is great and gives the car incredibly oversteer angles. I always turn off the PSM; it is always off unless it is raining too much. So I oversteer the car all the time whenever a corner appears. It is very sensitive with throttle input but correcting the car is very easy as long as you stay on the throttle.

    Unfortunately I haven't driven a 997S with PASM yet; but once the weather gets warmer, I'll do it.
    Nevertheless my plan is to sell the car untill summer and get a facelifted model with exact same spec. with PASM and PSE

    Re: Rear wheels squat, front goes light: I love it!

    I thought the facelifted model won't appear in 2007? I thought it would only be available in 2009??

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    easy_rider911 said:
    I thought the facelifted model won't appear in 2007? I thought it would only be available in 2009??



    I think so
    Nevertheless, if I find a buyer for my car, I'll sell it and get another one with PASM.

     
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