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    Do you guys use winter tires in Germany on your Porsche. My dealer advised doing that from December to March. What do you think? What brand is the best?
    Thanks, German

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    German said:
    Do you guys use winter tires in Germany on your Porsche. My dealer advised doing that from December to March. What do you think? What brand is the best?
    Thanks, German

    It would be asking for trouble to try to get through the German winter without winter tires on a Porsche.

    It's not just tread which is different between winter and summer tires, but also the rubber compound.
    Also, the winter properties of high-performance summer tires have got a lot worse in the last 20 years, in my view, as their high-speed properties and grip levels have been improved.

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    I have Michelin Alpins on 18" rims and that works perfect. The car feels much more comfortable than with the 19" summer rims.

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    also in Europa würde ich unbedingt Winterreifen aufziehen lassen...

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    Hi German, yet another Rennteamer from D'dorf
    Maybe you should have given a hint regarding the so-called "winter" in our region for those Rennteamers who are not familiar with it. During a normal winter season we may have 5-10 days with snow. Most time temps are above freezing temps, but with a lot of rain (climate should be quite similar to the southern part of the British island).
    Hence you almost never have your car equipped with the best suitable tires, unless you have your own pit stop team to change your tires every other day
    For example with the actual warm temps (I had a nice spin with the top down last Sunday - 15*C) the winter tires have disadvantages in terms of braking power from higher speeds (Autobahn) - also they reach their limit at a spirited drive on winding country roads earlier compared to the summer rubber (less corner speed).
    On the other hand summer tires have disadvantages in the wet at relatively low temps (let's say 4*C + pouring rain) -winter tires are less prone to aquaplaning (due their specific profile) and provide better grip in the cold due their softer compound.
    I'd say it depends - if you have no second car with winter tires for these rare days with "real" winter weather (or if you like to enjoy a spin at the weekend in the sometimes snowy hills nearby like Bergisches Land / Eifel / Sauerland ) you may get the winter tires, otherwise
    it's not worth the money and you get worse performance during the "warm winter" season.
    Talking about money: the tires alone are no problem of course because you save the summer tires during the winter,
    but you may need another set of rims (I paid 3,100 Euro for a set of 18" Cayman S rims + Pirelli winter tires to replace the 19" Carrera S summer set).
    I only bit the bullet because the wifey (using our 987 S for the daily commute) "persuaded" me to get the winter tires (I'm sure it would have been less expensive just to take a taxi on the rare snow days).
    Regarding tire brand: for obvious reasons I can't comment yet on the Pirelli's performance in the snow, but they gained top scores in a Sport Auto winter tires test, whereas the Michelins were not recommended
    With warm weather the Pirelli winter tires are still O.K. IMO - allowing a spirited drive, but of course less grippy in the bends compared to the 19" summer tires.

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    Hi German!

    Welcome onboard and another one from the region!

    You should consider winter tires if the car is used day in, day out. Apart from the very snowy conditions, it makes especially sense if you drive in tricky conditions. More threatening than snow is ice. That might appear on bridges at the early hours. Winter tires offer a much better performance in this case.
    As Fritz stated already, the compound of today's summer tires changed as well. After all I have winter tires on all cars I use regularly during the winter, I just don't want to be surprised by slippery conditions when I am rushing to an appointment in the morning or going back home at night.

    Porsche-Jeck said:
    [...] a set of 18" Cayman S rims + Pirelli winter tires to replace the 19" Carrera S summer set. [...]

    So she finally persuaded you? I almost guessed it.
    At least now you have the second set of rims you considered for the Boxster!

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    Thank you all for your responses.
    I will put on winter Continentals that are in stock at my dealer.

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    i' get a whole set from tequipment. all in all its not cheap, but the tires are Porsche approved and if you compare the price of the rims to the price of the whole set then you'll see that the tires are only about 60 Euro/piece.

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    German said:
    Do you guys use winter tires in Germany on your Porsche. My dealer advised doing that from December to March. What do you think? What brand is the best?
    Thanks, German

    We own three Porsche, a Boxster S, a Cayenne Turbo Powerkit and a 997 Turbo. All three have winter tires but we live in Bavaria and winters over here can get pretty nasty from time to time. Yes, we drive our cars througout the winter time, even when it snows, incl. the Boxster S and the 997 Turbo. Only when the weather is pretty bad, if there is very high snow on the streets or if we're driving to the Alps for some skiing fun, we're taking the Cayenne.

    In Düsseldorf, I would probably NOT go for winter tires IF your Porsche isn't your daily driver. IF it is your daily driver, you better get winter tires since there is also this new law in Germany which requires "adequate" equipment for winter driving. So even if you're only driving to work from time to time in your Porsche, you should get winter tires. If you're just using your Porsche for some weekend fun, it isn't worth the money.

    More hints:

    1. get N-rated winter tires recommended by Porsche for your car. Under extreme driving conditions, these tires are much better than the original brand/type without N-rating.

    2. DO NOT swap tires (summer vs. winter) if you're using 18'' or 19'' tires since the tires can be damaged invisibly in this process, posing a possible danger under certain extreme driving situations.

    3. Porsche usually offers complete winter wheel sets, they actually only charge the cost of the rims, the tires are almost for free. The sets aren't cheap though. You should also try to get a better deal from your dealer or get aftermarket rims from Techart or other companies, just make sure that the offset is the same as on your OEM rims. Also don't forget about the N-rated tires (your dealer has a list with recommended/approved tires for YOUR car).

    Good luck.



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