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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Doesn't hybrid mean more weight as opposed to turbo? 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:

    Doesn't hybrid mean more weight as opposed to turbo? 

    Who says no turbo? Smiley

    Yes, weight is an issue, a very serious one.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Damn,at least wait they deliver me my RSSmileySmiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    RC:
    Gauss:

    Doesn't hybrid mean more weight as opposed to turbo? 

    Who says no turbo? Smiley

    Yes, weight is an issue, a very serious one.

    I did as it alters the characteristics compared with the stratospheric revving normally aspirated engines found in today's GT3 models.  Hybrids will add weight but if an EV only mode is eliminated, the size of the battery pack is reduced.  


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Super Darius:
    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Damn,at least wait they deliver me my RSSmileySmiley

    Ha ha!  Your undelivered RS is already outdated :)


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:
    Super Darius:
    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Damn,at least wait they deliver me my RSSmileySmiley

    Ha ha!  Your undelivered RS is already outdated :)

    SmileySmileySmiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Development is already in the works, early prototypes already driving around as far as I heard. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    RC:
    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Development is already in the works, early prototypes already driving around as far as I heard. Smiley

    Not sure of the Motorsport/GT development cycle but not unreasonable to have a two to three road test cycle. 


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:
    Super Darius:
    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Damn,at least wait they deliver me my RSSmileySmiley

    Ha ha!  Your undelivered RS is already outdated :)

    hhahahahaha leave me aloneSmiley


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    997TT RS Tuning stage II(sold),2011 Cayenne Turbo(sold),waiting 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    CGX car nut:
    Gnil:
    the-missile:
    Gnil:
     

     

    Either approach will dramatically alter the driving characteristics of the next generation; however, a hybrid solution with a normally aspirated engine could retain the high rpm characteristics of the current motor.  Very few turbocharged motors have redline above 7,000 RPM, plus as we know, the sound is attenuated with turbocharges.  

    McLaren has said that their 650 replacement will be a V6 coupled with electric .  Probably the best solution , as you say, keep high reving engines and add electric for torque and fuel emissions rules 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gnil:
     

    That s what I got from this forum and this week end at Imola during the Porsche Cup when speaking with one of the main racing team . 

     Never has a very small NA production ever been mentioned. And it does not make much sense if you think about it 
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    from the forum, we talked about keeping NA but very small production number or the turbo route and it was in line with the discussion I got few weeks ago.Smiley

    hybrid was not a discussion for the GT cars but more for the Turbo S and for another e-hybrid 911. Smiley

    mules are already under testing phase or were supposed to be on the road this monthSmiley. RC mentioned the same as well so they may be going around as planed.Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    the-missile:
     
     

    from the forum, we talked about keeping NA but very small production number or the turbo route and it was in line with the discussion I got few weeks ago.Smiley

    hybrid was not a discussion for the GT cars but more for the Turbo S and for another e-hybrid 911. Smiley

    mules are already under testing phase or were supposed to be on the road this monthSmiley. RC mentioned the same as well so they may be going around as planed.Smiley

    Turbo is indeed still a possibility , the cheap and easy way . 

    The e-hybrid would be the more advanced and probably better solution , if they manage the weight issue . Many think this is the chosen solution . The team I talked to is very close to Porsche as they deal directly with them for all the racing cars + they do also sell some GT cars . Informations from them has been accurate in the past . They did not say for sure, but there take was that it will be some kind of an e-hybrid . Mc-Laren is also going this route with the 650 replacement .


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gnil:

    Turbo is indeed still a possibility , the cheap and easy way . 

    The e-hybrid would be the more advanced and probably better solution , if they manage the weight issue . Many think this is the chosen solution . The team I talked to is very close to Porsche as they deal directly with them for all the racing cars + they do also sell some GT cars . Informations from them has been accurate in the past . They did not say for sure, but there take was that it will be some kind of an e-hybrid . Mc-Laren is also going this route with the 650 replacement .

    Smiley well, we will see a new era of 1700kg GT cars then Smiley

    good part is I will save money Smiley


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    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    EC want that the average CO2 emission goes down to 0 g/km for January 1st 2035...
    That's tomorrow !
    NA vs Turbo debate will not last very long if this regulation is voted !


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:
    Super Darius:
    bvineyards:

    Hey RC,

    When will we start to see the GT3 mules?  

    Damn,at least wait they deliver me my RSSmileySmiley

    Ha ha!  Your undelivered RS is already outdated :)

    Smiley 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Procup:

    EC want that the average CO2 emission goes down to 0 g/km for January 1st 2035...
    That's tomorrow !
    NA vs Turbo debate will not last very long if this regulation is voted !

    UK’s 2040 plan allows for hybrids in the mix, versus this draconian plan: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/hybrid-vehicles-confirmed-exempt-2040-petrol-and-diesel-ban . 

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    If the 992 GT models use either turbocharging, electric assistance, or both:  Does anyone know if the Motorsport engine (as found in current GT3/RS) will be used as the basis for the new motor?  Or will they continue (like the GT2 RS) to use modified Carrera/Turbo motors?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 992

    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley


    Re: 992

    m4ever:
    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley

    Okay as long as it doesn’t weigh 2500 kilos.  


    Re: 992

    CGX car nut:
    m4ever:
    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley

    Okay as long as it doesn’t weigh 2500 kilos.  

    No way. In fact it will weigh 2650 kilos. SmileySmiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Carlos from Spain:

    A couple experimented but not since long ago and never continued, last one I remember was the Ferrari Mondial decades ago.

    And its predecessor, the Dino 308 GT4.

    6.jpg


    Re: 992

    Rossi:
    CGX car nut:
    m4ever:
    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley

    Okay as long as it doesn’t weigh 2500 kilos.  

    No way. In fact it will weigh 2650 kilos. SmileySmiley

    Well, very shortly 2500 kg will be the new 1500 kg.... what’s a tonne between friends? 


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    Re: 992

    4trac:
    Rossi:
    CGX car nut:
    m4ever:
    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley

    Okay as long as it doesn’t weigh 2500 kilos.  

    No way. In fact it will weigh 2650 kilos. SmileySmiley

    Well, very shortly 2500 kg will be the new 1500 kg.... what’s a tonne between friends? 

    That's what my last blind date said.


    Re: 992

    CGX car nut:
    4trac:
    Rossi:
    CGX car nut:
    m4ever:
    Lars997:

    Porsche always gets it right with the second car on the wheel-base (993 on 964, 997 on 996, 992 on 991). So, very looking forward.Hopefully the emotions are back - would love to have a modern Porsche again in my garage. But to occupy that one, it needs to bring some sizzle!

    How about a 992 Turbo S with 680 Hp? Smiley

    Okay as long as it doesn’t weigh 2500 kilos.  

    No way. In fact it will weigh 2650 kilos. SmileySmiley

    Well, very shortly 2500 kg will be the new 1500 kg.... what’s a tonne between friends? 

    That's what my last blind date said.

    HAHAHA Smiley


    Re: 992

    New render. RC, any toughts?render.jpg


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    Re: 992

    The side mirrors are wrong; the mules clearly show a bit more angular look


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    Re: 992

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    New render. RC, any toughts?render.jpg

    Tail lights look kind of OK but rear part is a bit weird (even if similar to how it is going to look, bad photoshop job).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 992

    Tail pipes will be bigger for sure


    Re: 992

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    New render. RC, any toughts?render.jpg

    Just a bad render based on this photo...


     
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