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    BMW's M series subject to change

    Yesterday I paid a visit to my local BMW dealer for a routine oil change to my 335TT. We had a discussion regarding BMW's M series and I was surprised to hear that ALL M series are subject to an engine change. BMW has realized the success with the twin-turbo engines they produced and they want to focus on those engines. There are 2 twin-turbo engines, a 3.0 lt and a 4.4 lt one. I think that the M models or some of them (likely to be the M5 & M6) will be having the 4.4 lt TT engine but with a lot of mods. It'll be tuned to more than 550 bhp. The new M3 will go back to the straight 6 engine. No V8 for the M3 in the near future. Don't know if all these will happen really soon, but people that are considering to place a deposit down for an M model now should really get into thinking. . But whatever these people at BMW do I'm sure that their new models will be monsters.

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    Hi Georgie,

    I think this is a very unqualifyed rumor out of the world this dealer is living in.

    You can be sure that they dont go back to a straight 6 in the M3. Further on a Turbo is a Turbo but a aspriated engine is a different story. There are so much reservers and room for improvement in the current V8 and V10's that I guess we will see those engines for much longer time.

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    Interesting info...
    No doubt that BMW's turbo-charged engines are excellent, but I kinda like the fact that their M-cars are normally aspirated and high-revving. They make the best motors out there and their f/i ones are no exeption, but their high revving motors are just so amazing. Itll be kinda dissapointing

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    Guys, don't forget that nobody expected BMW to produce twin turbo engines too, but look at the reality now! I agree with the fact that so far the M series were naturally aspired high revving engines, but this is not something like a law... as time goes by and technology in automotive engineering improves things can be different. So don't be surprised if you see an M5 with a 4.4lt TT engine producing something like 580bhp... Also don't forget that BMW has to be competitive with the new Audi RS6 that produces 590horses! The existing 5.0 lt engine does have some potential in further improvements, but it won't have THAT much torque... Anyway, whatever BMW produces that's got an M badge on is a masterpiece of engineering and performance. That was a piece of info I needed to share with you and of course it is not official YET.

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    Lars997 said:
    You can be sure that they dont go back to a straight 6 in the M3.



    Why wouldn't they - the V8 engine is expensive to run, the M3 is not selling aswell as the previous one did, and deprecation (sic) is shocking... If Porsche can derive over 400hp from a 6 cylinder engine and give reasonable fuel consumption then why shouldn't BMW do the same.

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    The next M5 will have twin turbo V8 so it's only logical if the next M3 will have an inline six.

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    All current BMW's need to lose weight. The M3 is something like 1670, whereas is should be 1530 tops.

    The Audi RS6, don't get me started on that fat pig. 2100 kg? What are they thinking?

    The only car that has an excuse of being so heavy is a Rolls, a Bentley, and the Veyron because of all it's technology.

    But an Audi?

    In terms of the BMW engines, we have a 335i in the company and eventhough I give it much credit for having two engines in one (a big diesel until 4000 rpm and then a petrol engine beyond that), you certainly know there are turbos aboard, even if many journalists and owners would have you believe differently.

    To make a turbocharged M3 out of it, all they need to do is touch up the body, open up the exhaust a little and lose 200 kg. Which isn't going to happen. Therefore they will have to go the other way for more power, more weight, chronic brake fade, etc.

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    shin said:
    The next M5 will have twin turbo V8 so it's only logical if the next M3 will have an inline six.



    No way, the V10 is a fantastic engine and I think (IMO) it is highly unlikely that BMW refers back to a V8 in the M5.

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    Markdsv said:
    Quote:
    shin said:
    The next M5 will have twin turbo V8 so it's only logical if the next M3 will have an inline six.



    No way, the V10 is a fantastic engine and I think (IMO) it is highly unlikely that BMW refers back to a V8 in the M5.


    BMW only made the V10 to capitalize on its Formula One involvement. Now that BMW's F1 car uses a V8, so will the M5/6 (but with Twin Turbos from the X6)...

    Re: BMW's M series subject to change

    Quote:
    Markdsv said:
    Quote:
    shin said:
    The next M5 will have twin turbo V8 so it's only logical if the next M3 will have an inline six.



    No way, the V10 is a fantastic engine and I think (IMO) it is highly unlikely that BMW refers back to a V8 in the M5.



    Read and weep then :

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/BMW-M5-2011-the-spy-photos/

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    MarekN said:
    All current BMW's need to lose weight. The M3 is something like 1670, whereas is should be 1530 tops.

    The Audi RS6, don't get me started on that fat pig. 2100 kg? What are they thinking?

    The only car that has an excuse of being so heavy is a Rolls, a Bentley, and the Veyron because of all it's technology.

    But an Audi?

    In terms of the BMW engines, we have a 335i in the company and eventhough I give it much credit for having two engines in one (a big diesel until 4000 rpm and then a petrol engine beyond that), you certainly know there are turbos aboard, even if many journalists and owners would have you believe differently.

    To make a turbocharged M3 out of it, all they need to do is touch up the body, open up the exhaust a little and lose 200 kg. Which isn't going to happen. Therefore they will have to go the other way for more power, more weight, chronic brake fade, etc.


    Very good comments.

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    Quote:
    shin said:
    Read and weep then :

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/BMW-M5-2011-the-spy-photos/



    Hi Shin,

    , I hadn't seen this report and it looks like the V10 is about to....... wandering if the M5 E60 is going to become a collectors item as the V10 is a beauti of an engine not to mention the noise.

    I have had the X6 4.4TT for a test drive and wasn't that impressed. She drives well but compared to my old 4.8is E53 nothing spectacular (not serious grunt or grumbling noise at all, it's like driving an flagship lexus )

    Cheers,

    Mark

    Re: BMW's M series subject to change

    Quote:
    Markdsv said:
    Quote:
    shin said:
    Read and weep then :

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/BMW-M5-2011-the-spy-photos/



    Hi Shin,

    , I hadn't seen this report and it looks like the V10 is about to....... wandering if the M5 E60 is going to become a collectors item as the V10 is a beauti of an engine not to mention the noise.

    I have had the X6 4.4TT for a test drive and wasn't that impressed. She drives well but compared to my old 4.8is E53 nothing spectacular (not serious grunt or grumbling noise at all, it's like driving an flagship lexus )

    Cheers,

    Mark



    What all these engines have a problem with is consumption. A sedan consuming 20 litres per 100 km at a normal pace is just too much. Same thing with the 335i and the new M3. Chip the 335i to M3 levels and the consumption is still much lower, despite the same power.

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    On the 335i we get an average of 12,2 l/100 km, which is just so-so considering the car is only stressed on weekends and on weekdays runs around with the slow traffic.

    For comparison, my 330d gets 7,8 l/100 km and I still get to drive twice as quickly as the 335 most of the time. Basically I am using the full power of the engine any time the road is clear. If we were to do that in the 335, the consumption would be about 17 l/100 km. Of course the emotion you get with the gasoline engine can't be compared to a diesel.

    However, when you consider that on the GT3 the computer shows 13,9, then the 335i seems much more thirsty than it has a right to because it offers much less than the GT3.

    One big fault of the 335 is also a small tank, the range is even smaller than a high-performance car like the GT3. Of course, the GT3 is blessed with a 90 liter tank, which is one of my favourite non-performance aspects about the car.

    To be fair with BMW, before I got the GT3, the 335 to me was a dream car. Now I tend to see its downsides.

    One thing is certain - the new generations of direct-injection engines are doing good work for keeping the consumption low. When you drive an Impreza or Evo 2,0 turbo for example, you really get your kicks. But then you realize that it just cost you 30 liters/100 km, which is so much that not even the fabulous way these cars perform is worth it.

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    Crash said:
    What all these engines have a problem with is consumption. A sedan consuming 20 litres per 100 km at a normal pace is just too much. Same thing with the 335i and the new M3. Chip the 335i to M3 levels and the consumption is still much lower, despite the same power.



    I have seen on my PCM as much as 23ltr/100km in my CTT08, luckily the fuel is only 120baizes (10pence --> GB) per liter Have to fill her up every 4 days though which would have cost me in the UK well over 130 quid

    Fantastic country, nice people and cheap cars & fuel !!!!!!

     
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