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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    I knew it.

     


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    kingjr9000:
    noone1:

    And so the bullshit starts to fade :)

    2.3s quicker with new compound Trofeos than a 570s on skinny old Corsas. Yeah, this car isn't doing 6:whatever on the NR in customer spec.

    But yet, the vette absolutely murders the 570s everywhere elseSmiley

    If my math checks out right, then this thing is naturally .56 secs quicker per km than the Vette. Which means that it should be atleast 11.5secs quicker around the nurburgring than the vette--not the manual that sport auto tested.

    Vette was only 1.5s quicker than a 570S at Laguna Seca, again, super sticky tires on the Vette and old Corsas on the 570S. 918 was 3+ seconds quicker than the Vette.

    The Performante is not going to live up to any of its claims, as we all expected.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Topspeed:

    I knew it.

     

    You know we both frequent the same forums.Smiley


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    noone1:
    kingjr9000:
    noone1:

    And so the bullshit starts to fade :)

    2.3s quicker with new compound Trofeos than a 570s on skinny old Corsas. Yeah, this car isn't doing 6:whatever on the NR in customer spec.

    But yet, the vette absolutely murders the 570s everywhere elseSmiley

    If my math checks out right, then this thing is naturally .56 secs quicker per km than the Vette. Which means that it should be atleast 11.5secs quicker around the nurburgring than the vette--not the manual that sport auto tested.

    Vette was only 1.5s quicker than a 570S at Laguna Seca, again, super sticky tires on the Vette and old Corsas on the 570S. 918 was 3+ seconds quicker than the Vette.

    The Performante is not going to live up to any of its claims, as we all expected.

    This is why i love debating carsSmiley

    But you're forgetting the other tracks where its like 2-3secs ahead of it.  Plus, according to a certain german track, the 675LT is only about 1.6secs faster.

     

      Corvette Z06 570S
    Hockenheim Short 1:06.90 1:08.80
    Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:33.05 1:34.58
    Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:45.44 1:47.13
    Motortrend Figure-8 0:22.30 0:23.00
    Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:41.32 2:47.40
    Willow Springs 1:25.00 1:27.21
    Sachsenring 1:30.26 1:33.12

     

      570S 675LT
    Buttonwillow Configuration 13 1:56.10 1:52.00
    Goodwood Hill climb 1:06.57 1:06.22
    Anglesey Coastal 1:14.50 1:12.80
    Vairano Handling Course 1:13.51 1:10.10
    Hockenheim Short 1:08.80 1:07.20
    Sachsenring 1:33.12 1:30.52
    Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:47.13 1:44.04
    Motortrend Figure-8 0:23.00 0:22.40
    Willow Springs 1:27.21 1:24.29

     

      Corvette Z06 570S 675LT
    Hockenheim Short 1:06.90 1:08.80 1:07.20
    Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:45.44 1:47.13 1:44.04
    Motortrend Figure-8 0:22.30 0:23.00 0:22.40
    Willow Springs 1:25.00 1:27.21 1:24.29
    Sachsenring 1:30.26 1:33.12

    1:30.52

     

    Whats your counter, I wonderSmiley


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    My counter is the same. The Performante's aero is bullshit as expected and it's performance is largely due to having a generation newer tires in the stickiest form possible. Those lap times for the Corvette were from 2015, before there even were new compound available.

    Z06, 570S, and 675LT are running on old compounds of Cup2, Corsa, and Trofeos. The Huracan is running on the latest.

    Lamborghini got on the laptime hype train with the SV and again with the P. Both cars will not live up to anything close to what they claim.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    noone1:

    My counter is the same. The Performante's aero is bullshit as expected and it's performance is largely due to having a generation newer tires in the stickiest form possible. Those lap times for the Corvette were from 2015, before there even were new compound available.

    Z06, 570S, and 675LT are running on old compounds of Cup2, Corsa, and Trofeos. The Huracan is running on the latest.

    Lamborghini got on the laptime hype train with the SV and again with the P. Both cars will not live up to anything close to what they claim.

    Nissan did it with one car and VW went viral with all the brands under their wing Smiley


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    noone1:

    My counter is the same. The Performante's aero is bullshit as expected and it's performance is largely due to having a generation newer tires in the stickiest form possible. Those lap times for the Corvette were from 2015, before there even were new compound available.

    Z06, 570S, and 675LT are running on old compounds of Cup2, Corsa, and Trofeos. The Huracan is running on the latest.

    Lamborghini got on the laptime hype train with the SV and again with the P. Both cars will not live up to anything close to what they claim.

    Hasn't stopped the vette from being so close to the AMG GT R.  But hey, we'll see after ore test come back. Sport Auto should have theres done by now if that recent instagram post with hearts for eyes is anything to go bySmiley

      Corvette Z06 AMG GT R
    Hockenheim GP 1:51.70 1:50.50
    Nürburgring Nordschleife 7:13.90 7:10.92
    Hockenheim Short 1:06.90 1:06.40
    Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:33.05 1:33.01
    Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:45.44 1:47.27
    Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:41.32 2:43.40
    Sachsenring 1:30.26 1:29.98

    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Hey RC, got any inside information about a Sport Auto test?


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    noone1:

    And so the bullshit starts to fade :)

    2.3s quicker with new compound Trofeos than a 570s on skinny old Corsas. Yeah, this car isn't doing 6:whatever on the NR in customer spec.

    I think you guys need to understand where these 2 seconds faster have been achieved...not all tracks are the same.

    The test result is very impressive, it is the fastest car they ever tested.


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    RC:
    noone1:

    And so the bullshit starts to fade :)

    2.3s quicker with new compound Trofeos than a 570s on skinny old Corsas. Yeah, this car isn't doing 6:whatever on the NR in customer spec.

    I think you guys need to understand where these 2 seconds faster have been achieved...not all tracks are the same.

    The test result is very impressive, it is the fastest car they ever tested.

    I wanted to write the same. They are very posivite and full of praise in their review. Smiley


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    For those that speak german, could you provide a gist of what they said and where those apparent two second came from? Thanks.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    kingjr9000:

    For those that speak german, could you provide a gist of what they said and where those apparent two second came from? Thanks.

     

    Yeah, the Performante is just simply a faster car. Smiley


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    RC:
    noone1:

    And so the bullshit starts to fade :)

    2.3s quicker with new compound Trofeos than a 570s on skinny old Corsas. Yeah, this car isn't doing 6:whatever on the NR in customer spec.

    I think you guys need to understand where these 2 seconds faster have been achieved...not all tracks are the same.

    The test result is very impressive, it is the fastest car they ever tested.

    Couldn't find a lap time overlay on GIS for the 570S. Well it's not quicker in a straight line than a 570S, so the time came from the corners. Where to tires have the most effect? Corners. Sure there are a lot of corners on the NR, but still don't think it will achieve near what they claim.

    We'll see how it performs in more tests soon I imagine. I still don't expect much.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    570S is amazing on straights, the engine is really strong. 

    But McLaren neutered it with narrow front tires and no air brake, so it will lose out on braking and cornering.


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    We can agree on something. McLaren goes too skinny on tires. 570S would have just been too good of a car otherwise. I know a lot of 650S owners think their are worlds of difference between P11 and P13, but I really don't think there is. 


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Performante on corsas compared to not so good conditions for the gt3rs on dunlop at Ljungbyhed-Sweden.  
    A 675LT run 54.66

    https://youtu.be/zY0w_9Ao9MM

    https://youtu.be/970rZc56tEk

    https://youtu.be/2EN-PpsJ0Lc?t=1m37s


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    noone1:

    We can agree on something. McLaren goes too skinny on tires. 570S would have just been too good of a car otherwise.

    Skinny tires make a car much nicer to drive on the road where 570S is meant to shine (as long as not overly staggered with much wider rears than ) - better steering feel, better in the wet, less following grooves in the road, and more playful and predictable at the limit.  Wide tires are only good on track...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    kingjr9000:

    Performante on corsas compared to not so good conditions for the gt3rs on dunlop at Ljungbyhed-Sweden.  
    A 675LT run 54.66

    https://youtu.be/zY0w_9Ao9MM

    https://youtu.be/970rZc56tEk

    https://youtu.be/2EN-PpsJ0Lc?t=1m37s

    Many people also seem to forget that the Performante is not a monster engine car (n/a V10, not a V8 Biturbo with massive torque), neither is it very lightweight. I am pretty much impressed but I like the car anyway, so... Smiley


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    RC:
    kingjr9000:

    Performante on corsas compared to not so good conditions for the gt3rs on dunlop at Ljungbyhed-Sweden.  
    A 675LT run 54.66

    https://youtu.be/zY0w_9Ao9MM

    https://youtu.be/970rZc56tEk

    https://youtu.be/2EN-PpsJ0Lc?t=1m37s

    Many people also seem to forget that the Performante is not a monster engine car (n/a V10, not a V8 Biturbo with massive torque), neither is it very lightweight. I am pretty much impressed but I like the car anyway, so... Smiley


    Isn't it kind of funny that we consider a 640 hp V10 not to be a monster engine nowadays? Smiley

    What did the Carrera GT have again? 612 hp-V10 and that was only ten years ago... Smiley


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    https://youtu.be/oUN9mf4ksYc?t=3m30s


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Rossi:
    RC:
    kingjr9000:

    Performante on corsas compared to not so good conditions for the gt3rs on dunlop at Ljungbyhed-Sweden.  
    A 675LT run 54.66

    https://youtu.be/zY0w_9Ao9MM

    https://youtu.be/970rZc56tEk

    https://youtu.be/2EN-PpsJ0Lc?t=1m37s

    Many people also seem to forget that the Performante is not a monster engine car (n/a V10, not a V8 Biturbo with massive torque), neither is it very lightweight. I am pretty much impressed but I like the car anyway, so... Smiley


    Isn't it kind of funny that we consider a 640 hp V10 not to be a monster engine nowadays? Smiley

    What did the Carrera GT have again? 612 hp-V10 and that was only ten years ago... Smiley

    True and the Carrera GT still rocks every time I see/meet it. Smiley


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    10 years ago, with 600hp, you had more engine than chassis.  Since then, chassis performance and the tire technology underlying it has come very far along.  So even today, I do not think you can say the overall sensation you get as a driver is completely the same as some of those older cars.

    For road drivers, I do not think those skinny McLaren tires are a bad thing at all.  Well, other than perhaps spinning tires in 3rd gear in the dry seems a bit hair raising.  


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    488 spider drag race

    https://youtu.be/iefn0gBn12k?t=10m40s


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Okay...apparently, it seems that Misha Charoudin--yeah, the "performante-lap-time-is-fake" guy, let it slip that an independent tester was able to set a 7:12 with the performante.  Anyone know anything about this?  And need i remind you that if this was SA, they were only able to set a 7:15 with the 918, despite having a production car, not a prototype.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    kingjr9000:

    Okay...apparently, it seems that Misha Charoudin--yeah, the "performante-lap-time-is-fake" guy, let it slip that an independent tester was able to set a 7:12 with the performante.  Anyone know anything about this?  And need i remind you that if this was SA, they were only able to set a 7:15 with the 918, despite having a production car, not a prototype.

    The Performante is very fast on the track, I have this from people working as car journalists and who have seen real world times. How fast? We will know soon enough from various real life tests.


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Eh, that's not exactly amazing unless it's on Pzeros.

    Cars on far lesser tires than new compound Trofeo Rs have been doing 7:20s for a while now. 


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    RC:
    kingjr9000:

    Okay...apparently, it seems that Misha Charoudin--yeah, the "performante-lap-time-is-fake" guy, let it slip that an independent tester was able to set a 7:12 with the performante.  Anyone know anything about this?  And need i remind you that if this was SA, they were only able to set a 7:15 with the 918, despite having a production car, not a prototype.

    The Performante is very fast on the track, I have this from people working as car journalists and who have seen real world times. How fast? We will know soon enough from various real life tests.

    SmileyGood to know. Thank you.


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Chris Harris Drives the Lamborghini Huracán Performante...

    1506372077778image.jpeg

    "The Lamborghini Huracán Performante grabbed headlines for its Nürburgring lap record. But how does it fair on a small British circuit in less favourable conditions? Chris Harris finds out..."

    Top Gear video link: https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/chris-harris-drives-lamborghini-huracan-performante

    Smiley Smiley Smiley


    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    Quite short for a Chris Harris review this is... cheeky


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    Re: Huracán Performante in "6.52 something" at the Ring?

    In contrast to herbalizer Chris Harris does not seem too impressed Smiley 

    "Best Lamborghini I drove"...


     
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