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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Has anyone independently dyno-measured the HP of customer Ferraris to verify power?

    My Alfa Romeo had 103 instead of 130 HP. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari is in the same analogy.


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    New models are as powerfull as claimed. Some like F12 most probably even more powerfull then in specs...

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    That is very good to hear. Ferrari are entering the German mentality.


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    reginos:

    Has anyone independently dyno-measured the HP of customer Ferraris to verify power?

    My Alfa Romeo had 103 instead of 130 HP. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari is in the same analogy.

    Reginos,

    458 italia may be more powerful than even 570hp, IMO. My car clocked just under 6,2 sec for 100-200 km/h acceleration on -2 degree declined road. Also latest test cars from last summer clocked below 10 sec for 0-200 km/h and just under 11 sec for quarter mile. There is a rumor that Ferrari silently bump the hp with MY12 changes after Mclaren's official hp increase.

     


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    pride355:
    reginos:

    Has anyone independently dyno-measured the HP of customer Ferraris to verify power?

    My Alfa Romeo had 103 instead of 130 HP. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari is in the same analogy.

    Reginos,

    458 italia may be more powerful than even 570hp, IMO. My car clocked just under 6,2 sec for 100-200 km/h acceleration on -2 degree declined road. Also latest test cars from last summer clocked below 10 sec for 0-200 km/h and just under 11 sec for quarter mile. There is a rumor that Ferrari silently bump the hp with MY12 changes after Mclaren's official hp increase.

    You know better than me, for sure.

    As I wrote above I am happy Ferrari have entered a new Era in their history.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    pride355:
    reginos:

    Has anyone independently dyno-measured the HP of customer Ferraris to verify power?

    My Alfa Romeo had 103 instead of 130 HP. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari is in the same analogy.

    Reginos,

    458 italia may be more powerful than even 570hp, IMO. My car clocked just under 6,2 sec for 100-200 km/h acceleration on -2 degree declined road. Also latest test cars from last summer clocked below 10 sec for 0-200 km/h and just under 11 sec for quarter mile. There is a rumor that Ferrari silently bump the hp with MY12 changes after Mclaren's official hp increase.

     

    As for the comparison of MY10 458 and MY12 458: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hLM


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    mv:
    pride355:
    reginos:

    Has anyone independently dyno-measured the HP of customer Ferraris to verify power?

    My Alfa Romeo had 103 instead of 130 HP. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari is in the same analogy.

    Reginos,

    458 italia may be more powerful than even 570hp, IMO. My car clocked just under 6,2 sec for 100-200 km/h acceleration on -2 degree declined road. Also latest test cars from last summer clocked below 10 sec for 0-200 km/h and just under 11 sec for quarter mile. There is a rumor that Ferrari silently bump the hp with MY12 changes after Mclaren's official hp increase.

     

    As for the comparison of MY10 458 and MY12 458: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hLM

    Looks about the same to me.


    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    BjoernB:
    REALZEUS:

    Ring times fixation is absurd. Look at what the 458 achieved at other tracks. It is a 4 year old car that outruns a 997 GT3 RS and is close to a 2013 MP4 12C. The Speciale, with its superior power to weight ratio and trick aero has to be quicker than the upgraded Macca around a proper circuit. 


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    well the 458 has approx 120hp more - and still is slower in official NBR numbers .... - no offence but absurd is that Ferrari seems to prepare all cars for specific tracks...- I like the 458 but u cannot compare to a "old" 997....

    Lap Times (14)

    Track 458 Italia 911 GT3 RS
    Top Gear Track 1:19.10 1:21.00
    Nordschleife 7:28.00 7:33.00
    Hockenheim Short 1:09.70 1:09.50
    Laguna Seca 1:36.22 1:36.77
    Virginia International Raceway 2:49.90 2:55.90
    SportAuto wet handling test 1:33.60 1:36.60
    Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) 1:19.30 1:21.90
    Luk Driving Center 1:05.44 1:05.11
    Sachsenring 1:34.30 1:34.75
    Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:08.90 1:09.60
    Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:12.70 1:16.00
    Anglesey National 0:59.20 d 0:59.70
    Donington Park 1:15.90 1:16.30
    Rockingham International Super Sportscar 1:28.30 1:32.80

     

    http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_italia-vs-porsche_997_gt3_rs_facelift.html

     

    Note also that the 458 is on standard road tyres, as opposed to the semi-slicks of the RS!!! 


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    I find it very surprising (read doubtful) that a 458 is 6 seconds a lap faster around VIR. I know these are "official" numbers but I know the rack enough to doubt it. And I seem to remember low 2 minute times around there so I don't know what track layout that is either...


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    You can exclude VIR as a metric, and still the 458 is a lot quicker overall. I have seen the Italia demolishing the GT3 before my own eyes in several tracks.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Well, the 997 isn't exactly a new platform either. Regardless of whether it's a GT3 or not, the 997 platform debuted in 2006. I'd argue the 458 was actually a generation ahead of the 997.

    Comparing cars is pretty difficult because they are often on different life cycles. There is overlapping in performance and superiority. Even a 2 year gap can be massive in terms of technology. It could be the difference between Al vs CF tub. It could be the difference between F1 and DCT. It could be a lot of things.


    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Any news on the price? I always thought 430s were fugly but i still bought scuds, the price is the key.  The weight drop is nice!


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    watt:

    Any news on the price? I always thought 430s were fugly but i still bought scuds, the price is the key.  The weight drop is nice!

    The price tag will be substantially higher. In Germany, I heard that they are adding more than 60k EUR to the original price tag of the 458 Italia. This is not a 458 Italia successor but a special model, thus the name Speciale. Smiley


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    REALZEUS:
    BjoernB:
    REALZEUS:

    Ring times fixation is absurd. Look at what the 458 achieved at other tracks. It is a 4 year old car that outruns a 997 GT3 RS and is close to a 2013 MP4 12C. The Speciale, with its superior power to weight ratio and trick aero has to be quicker than the upgraded Macca around a proper circuit. 


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    well the 458 has approx 120hp more - and still is slower in official NBR numbers .... - no offence but absurd is that Ferrari seems to prepare all cars for specific tracks...- I like the 458 but u cannot compare to a "old" 997....

    Lap Times (14)

    Track 458 Italia 911 GT3 RS
    Top Gear Track 1:19.10 1:21.00
    Nordschleife 7:28.00 7:33.00
    Hockenheim Short 1:09.70 1:09.50
    Laguna Seca 1:36.22 1:36.77
    Virginia International Raceway 2:49.90 2:55.90
    SportAuto wet handling test 1:33.60 1:36.60
    Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) 1:19.30 1:21.90
    Luk Driving Center 1:05.44 1:05.11
    Sachsenring 1:34.30 1:34.75
    Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:08.90 1:09.60
    Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:12.70 1:16.00
    Anglesey National 0:59.20 d 0:59.70
    Donington Park 1:15.90 1:16.30
    Rockingham International Super Sportscar 1:28.30 1:32.80

     

    http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_italia-vs-porsche_997_gt3_rs_facelift.html

     

    Note also that the 458 is on standard road tyres, as opposed to the semi-slicks of the RS!!! 

    In the Sport Auto Supertest, the 458 Italia did the Nordschleife in 7:38 min., not 7:28.

    The Hockenheim time was 1:10,5 min, not 1:09,7.

    I trust Sport Auto most because they verify power and chassis setups, so manufacturers cannot cheat. They also use certified and standardized measurements methods to make results comparable.

    So do you (apparently) because the 997 GT3 RS times are from Sport Auto. Smiley

    Also: In all YouTube videos I remember watching, the 458 Italia was beaten by the "old" 997 Turbo S in acceleration, the new Turbo S will eat it for breakfast, incl. the track.

    The new 458 Speciale is a special edition model for a much higher price tag than the regular 458 Italia. It is not the facelift.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    What's the base price of the Italia currently in Germany? If I remember correctly something like 200k including local taxes. I expect the Speciale to cost something like 200k without taxes, so base price should be around 240k.

    For those 240k you will get a well equipped car (if you can talk about well equipped with such an interior indecision). Of course you can easily add another 30k or so, the stripe ( "livery" ) will cost extra, as some more or less useless extra CF bits and pieces for a small or rather big fortune. Ferrari has learnt to draw the money out of the pockets of their customers very well over the last years.


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    Rossi:

    What's the base price of the Italia currently in Germany? If I remember correctly something like 200k including local taxes. I expect the Speciale to cost something like 200k without taxes, so base price should be around 240k.

    For those 240k you will get a well equipped car (if you can talk about well equipped with such an interior indecision). Of course you can easily add another 30k or so, stripe ( "livery" ) will cost extra, as some more or less useless extra CF bits and pieces for a small or big fortune.

    I'd say that a well optioned Speciale will be around 260 to 270k EUR. This is already F12 territory.

    I am curious about the rumored 960, I am pretty sure that the price tag will be in a similar range, incl. the performance figures (which cannot be better or too close to those of the 918).


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Rossi:

    What's the base price of the Italia currently in Germany? If I remember correctly something like 200k including local taxes. I expect the Speciale to cost something like 200k without taxes, so base price should be around 240k.

    For those 240k you will get a well equipped car (if you can talk about well equipped with such an interior indecision). Of course you can easily add another 30k or so, the stripe ( "livery" ) will cost extra, as some more or less useless extra CF bits and pieces for a small or rather big fortune. Ferrari has learnt to draw the money out of the pockets of their customers very well over the last years.


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    Base price of italia in Germany is 168k euro excluding the 19% VAT.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    pride355:

    Base price of italia in Germany is 168k euro excluding the 19% VAT.


    Thank you. So basically no price increase over the years, which is quite astonishing for Ferrari. Smiley


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    199200 EUR incl. VAT base price according to a price quote a neighbor (he asked me if he should go for it) recently got from a dealer (slightly more expensive than 991 Turbo S with 195256 EUR). Rebate offered was 5%. He got a SLS instead because with the options he wanted, the Ferrari would have been over 230k EUR.

    The SLS was 190k EUR, very well optioned with a huge rebate (I think 12% or so...).


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Rossi:
    pride355:

    Base price of italia in Germany is 168k euro excluding the 19% VAT.


    Thank you. So basically no price increase over the years, which is quite astonishing for Ferrari. Smiley

    Actually it was 168k euro when first introduced. Then the factory increased the price by 5k euro with the 7-years service pack. All prices I'm quoting are VAT excluded.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    RC:
    REALZEUS:
    BjoernB:
    REALZEUS:

    Ring times fixation is absurd. Look at what the 458 achieved at other tracks. It is a 4 year old car that outruns a 997 GT3 RS and is close to a 2013 MP4 12C. The Speciale, with its superior power to weight ratio and trick aero has to be quicker than the upgraded Macca around a proper circuit. 


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    well the 458 has approx 120hp more - and still is slower in official NBR numbers .... - no offence but absurd is that Ferrari seems to prepare all cars for specific tracks...- I like the 458 but u cannot compare to a "old" 997....

    Lap Times (14)

    Track 458 Italia 911 GT3 RS
    Top Gear Track 1:19.10 1:21.00
    Nordschleife 7:28.00 7:33.00
    Hockenheim Short 1:09.70 1:09.50
    Laguna Seca 1:36.22 1:36.77
    Virginia International Raceway 2:49.90 2:55.90
    SportAuto wet handling test 1:33.60 1:36.60
    Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) 1:19.30 1:21.90
    Luk Driving Center 1:05.44 1:05.11
    Sachsenring 1:34.30 1:34.75
    Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:08.90 1:09.60
    Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:12.70 1:16.00
    Anglesey National 0:59.20 d 0:59.70
    Donington Park 1:15.90 1:16.30
    Rockingham International Super Sportscar 1:28.30 1:32.80

     

    http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_italia-vs-porsche_997_gt3_rs_facelift.html

     

    Note also that the 458 is on standard road tyres, as opposed to the semi-slicks of the RS!!! 

    In the Sport Auto Supertest, the 458 Italia did the Nordschleife in 7:38 min., not 7:28.

    The Hockenheim time was 1:10,5 min, not 1:09,7.

    I trust Sport Auto most because they verify power and chassis setups, so manufacturers cannot cheat. They also use certified and standardized measurements methods to make results comparable.

    So do you (apparently) because the 997 GT3 RS times are from Sport Auto. Smiley

    Also: In all YouTube videos I remember watching, the 458 Italia was beaten by the "old" 997 Turbo S in acceleration, the new Turbo S will eat it for breakfast, incl. the track.

    The new 458 Speciale is a special edition model for a much higher price tag than the regular 458 Italia. It is not the facelift.

    RC,

    so a Turbo S will likely run as fast as the Speciale for half the price?


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    Wow, just when I thought Ferrari was doing an amazing design job lately.. the F12 and the other Feminine LaFerrari look stunning! This however might as well be a cheap aftermarket body overhaul by Gemballa. Looks terrible.


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    Excellent video from Evo Magazine

    http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/291208/ferrari_458_speciale_review_and_video.html


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    Ferrari 458 Speciale driven by Jethro Bovingdon...

    "Jethro Bovingdon drives the new Ferrari 458 Speciale on the road, comparing it with the standard Ferrari 458 Italia and its direct predecessor - the hardcore Ferrari 430 Scuderia - on track..."

    Ferrari 458 Speciale driven by Jethro Bovingdon -- Evo video link

    "The Ferrari 458 Speciale takes what is already one of the most extreme road cars you can buy and turns it up a notch further. In the spirit of the Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale and 430 Scuderia, the Speciale takes the 458 into new, more hardcore territory. It also gets a central stripe, just like its iconic forebears."
     

    "The 4.5-litre V8 now produces 597bhp at 9000rpm, its 133bhp-per-litre made possible by a staggering 14:1 compression ratio. This greater output is pushing 90kg less too, thanks to a carbonfibre underbody, thinner glass for windscreen and side windows, a Lexan engine cover, new and lighter ceramic brakes, forged wheels and an interior of delicious minimalism."

    ...thanks and all due respect to Jethro Bovingdon and EvoSmiley

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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    OK, now they've got me.... I am a sucker for those red alcantara seats, the weird sheen on the Scud seat fabric just didn't work.  Performance, handling, blah blah, it's really all about the seats my friends.  


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    watt:

    RC,

    so a Turbo S will likely run as fast as the Speciale for half the price?

    The Speciale is rumored to cost around 235k EUR (base price incl. 19% German VAT). I guess a well equipped car will be around 260k EUR, as I predicted before. The Turbo S is unfortunately not half the price. Smiley A well equipped Turbo S is around 205k EUR. The Speciale however is rumored to do 0-200 kph in 9.1 seconds, so the performance of the Speciale should be better than the one of the 991 Turbo S, especially in the over 150 kph range.

    As I said many times before, I think that Porsche made a strategical mistake by not giving the 991 Turbo S 600 hp from the start. I get the facelift thing, there needs to be some power upgrade left for it but they could have done different things to make the facelift more attractive. The moment the R8, the Gallardo successor and the Speciale come out, the Turbo S will loose potential customers. It will still remain a great daily driver and a "stealth" sports car for those who need one but the lower power figure (vs. the competition) will cost Porsche customers, no matter how good the Turbo S is overall. I like Ferrari's approach of lowering the 458 weight by 90 kg. I know that, considering the new AWS system and wider body, the weight of the new 991 Turbo S is actually 25 kg lower than the previous model but they should have dropped the weight by real 50 kg. 50 kg less weight and let's say 580 hp would have been nice. The facelift will take care of the power but in the weight department, I doubt that Porsche is going to change much. I love my 991 Turbo S but I also have to admit that I am a little bit disappointed. I know the motives for not offering 600 hp and not lowering weight further but as a customer, this doesn't really please me.

    The Speciale, if the performance claims are true, is a very good offer from Ferrari, like the F12. I'm also afraid that with the FF introduction, sooner or later, Ferrari will build a more attractive 911 Turbo competitor at some point. Yes, the typical 911 Turbo customer may not get a Ferrari but you never know.

    Ferrari knows how to tickle the emotions of the driver. Porsche sometimes seems to be more worried about the technical part than the emotional one. Maybe they need an Italian in their development team. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    The way Evo drives the car the tires would probably also last 10 times shorter than driving a Turbo S on the same roads. Yes maybe more emotions - but make it damp weather and you will loose the Turbo S in yr sight after a couple of turns. Everyday usability is still unbeaten - and maybe with a "4wheel" GT2 (-100 kgs and 600hp) you have a everyday toy competing with a speciale where you can also enjoy a wet track day to the max. Only the Turbo should be 40k Euro cheaper and a option list to "delete/add" to you're liking for those who want a lighter "drivers" car. Lightness is - as shown also in this video - a huge fun-factor and I hope more of that is to come from all brands.


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    I think the upcoming GT2 is the real competitor of the Speciale in terms of handling and performance, so I wouldn't worry to much about the figures. The price will of course also get much closer. smiley


    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    If you read the latest EVO - Harry has joined LandRover/Jaguar who wants to build a division like AMG and M - with ETO (EngineeredToOrder) which I believe is going to be a huge success !!!!


    Re: 458 Speciale intro

    BjoernB:

    The way Evo drives the car the tires would probably also last 10 times shorter than driving a Turbo S on the same roads. Yes maybe more emotions - but make it damp weather and you will loose the Turbo S in yr sight after a couple of turns. Everyday usability is still unbeaten - and maybe with a "4wheel" GT2 (-100 kgs and 600hp) you have a everyday toy competing with a speciale where you can also enjoy a wet track day to the max. Only the Turbo should be 40k Euro cheaper and a option list to "delete/add" to you're liking for those who want a lighter "drivers" car. Lightness is - as shown also in this video - a huge fun-factor and I hope more of that is to come from all brands.

    I agree. I really think that Porsche missed an opportunity with the new Turbo and Turbo S. Yes, the Turbo should have been cheaper and maybe removing the AWS and giving it the wider body of the Carrera 4 models instead would have been a good compromise to keep the price tag lower. Then, the Turbo S should have received 600 hp to create a bigger gap between the Turbo and Turbo S. It would have made sense (Turbo with 520 hp, no AWS, not the extreme wide body) because this would have lowered the weight of the Turbo by at least 20-30 kg or so). Also, Porsche could have used lightweight materials on the Turbo S to keep the weight at the same level as the Turbo (non S) weight. Then I think that both cars would have made sense for their specific target groups.


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